so i was reading the bible...

[PatboyX]

always interested in religion (and being told a number of time that 1. the bible says homosexuality is wrong and 2. the bible never states that it is), i opened my bible to research it myself.

levitius 20:13 (OSB) says "If man has intercourse with a man as with a woman, both commit an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood be on their own heads!"

so...that settles my first question. is it there? anyone have any other translations?
my other question is one of context.
a lot of these sexual crimes are punishable by death (including adultery. sleeping with a woman while on her period is simply a question of alienation/exile). some of these laws and standards are not considered material on which to conduct rational business in our world. why does the homosexual aspect seem to remain legit?

 

[DealMonkey]

Leviticus? You mean these guys? Some serious rock'n goin' on.

Seriously though, isn't most of what's contained in Leviticus considered the extreme fringe of Christianity. Nobody follows the stuff in there, do they?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The Old Testament has all kinds of violent imagery and sentiments. I can't imagine Christ would have bought off on a lot of that stuff.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think when some people say that homosexuality isn't wrong according to the Bible, they mean it's not as bad to be homosexual and not have homosexual sex. Homosexual sex is wrong according to them. Being homosexual isn't. At least I think that's what they mean.

 

[Kibbo]

Look in Romans for a new Testament version of the same.

Leviticus is the Bible's comedy section IMO.

 

[Todd33]

The Bible is comedy IMO.

 

[sMiLeYz]

The old testament is where slavery is ok, stoning people to death was righteous then too.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
The old testament is where slavery is ok, stoning people to death was righteous then too.

I never read that old testament. Just because they mention it happening, doesn't mean it was supported. I read about a murder in the paper today. Does that mean it's legal?

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

If those 1 billion people are right, then how can all of the other billions be wrong? Or is everyone right?

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

If those 1 billion people are right, then how can all of the other billions be wrong? Or is everyone right?

Did I say other billions are wrong?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
The old testament is where slavery is ok, stoning people to death was righteous then too.

I never read that old testament. Just because they mention it happening, doesn't mean it was supported. I read about a murder in the paper today. Does that mean it's legal?

Does that imply that since the Bible does call for the execution of gay men, you're all for it?

 

[KarenMarie]

For a serious answer...

The Old Testament.. people were servants of God. They needed to live under rules and laws.
Christ, supposedly, came to fulfill the law.
The New Testament... People are now Sons & daughters of God and live under Grace. There is no longer a need to live under rules and laws. The Old Testament is considered, by many, a kind of history book, of what God expected of them. The New Testament is kind of like a guide book of what God wants for and and how we are to achieve that.

You mileage may vary here...

 

[LunarRay]

Here we go again... Jeepers...

What about a woman who is homosexual... You know, Lesbians, is it possible for that to occur. What say the bible about that?

In the research how is it identified.. is it ok?

Is homosexuality only regarding the sex act itself?

edit: hit the button by mistake....

Is the bible the authority or do those who are Catholic and have the Pope as the personal representitve of God on Earth given the Popes infallabilty on his pronouncements actually and addendum to the bible? Or at least the one the Catholics read..

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

If those 1 billion people are right, then how can all of the other billions be wrong? Or is everyone right?

Did I say other billions are wrong?

That's why I'm asking you the question. If those one billion can't be wrong, then are the other billions wrong?

Or is everybody right?

 

[trexpesto]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

1 billion brainwashed followers. Yeah they all thought the world was flat til a few years ago... People are usually wrong, it's more a matter of degree.
Edit or really how much they realize that they are wrong.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
The old testament is where slavery is ok, stoning people to death was righteous then too.

I never read that old testament. Just because they mention it happening, doesn't mean it was supported. I read about a murder in the paper today. Does that mean it's legal?

Does that imply that since the Bible does call for the execution of gay men, you're all for it?

No I don't. I can't see how that was inferred. I merely pointed out that slavery and stoning was not condoned in the old testament.

 

[Painman]

There is no such thing as the written Word of God. There are only the written Words of Men. I don't believe that any man exists, or ever did, as pure enough of a filter or conduit to make such a claim as to be speaking/writing authortiatively for God for everyone.

God speaks to me and shows me signs to guide me along the way, but time and time again, the place I've been guided to is not the one I may have thought, or hoped, but in retrospect, it has made sense that I was guided to the place that I was. I would never try to tell another that my perception of God is more correct than theirs, just as I would point out to anyone who would foist their vision of God upon me, that it is their own, or one borrowed from an inherently imperfect man-made text.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

They not only can, they were, are and always will be.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Sorry, but I think a billion people are wrong. Religion is nothing but superstition and folklore. When people were ignorant of science it was easy to convince them that magic and imaginary beings were real. I am truly amazed at the people that still believe in religion, astrology, fortune tellers, etc.. Peace will never come to this world untill people realize that they themselves have the only real influnce over their lives.
That there are no rewards or punishments in some afterlife. All you have is what you do here. Hard to raise an army if everybody knows that death is final. Same for terrorists; no rewards in heaven, no point.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Todd33
The Bible is comedy IMO.

1 billion people cant be wrong

They not only can, they were, are and always will be.

Why can't a billion people be wrong? After all, many alternative modes of thought were exterminated by the Catholic Church throughout the Middle Ages and beyond (remember the Inquisition, and the Heresies..)

http://www.catholic.com/library/great_heresies.asp

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Sorry, but I think a billion people are wrong. Religion is nothing but superstition and folklore. When people were ignorant of science it was easy to convince them that magic and imaginary beings were real. I am truly amazed at the people that still believe in religion, astrology, fortune tellers, etc.. Peace will never come to this world untill people realize that they themselves have the only real influnce over their lives.
That there are no rewards or punishments in some afterlife. All you have is what you do here. Hard to raise an army if everybody knows that death is final. Same for terrorists; no rewards in heaven, no point.

What if there were a generally unknown state of mental health equivalent to being in heaven that people had in the Garden of Eden before they ate of the tree of knowledge, or rather before they became separated from that heavenly state of self unity through the invention of language which made possible the concept of good and evil which in turn made it possible to put children down and make them hate themselves and divide against themselves loosing that state of unity; and further the few people here and there who somehow managed through good luck or personal effort overcame those feelings and discovered that state of health, being as how they would easily be able to recognize each other banded together to study how best to awaken the rest of hell dwelling humanity, and concluded that a succession of three waves of Monotheism would provide the evolutionary spiritual advancement necessary to raise people up in sufficient numbers to maintain a teachable number to man a hidden inner school of teaching that could guide and keep humanity alive. In such a case religion wouldn't be superstition about nothing, but misinformation about a hidden advanced science, a science so advanced as to be known to almost nobody. In such a case one could be tempted to say that religion is a placebo which brings some not illusions, but a real cure. What if religion is a blueprint and analogy of something happening at a higher dimension the sincere practice of which allows an occasional transformation of the mind. Such a scenario might be quite possible if there is actually nothing wrong with people but a feeling there is. All that would be necessary is to somehow loose that feeling.

But then again, who would ever imagine there could be something wrong with them. That would simply be impossible. Surely you would feel it if it were true, right?

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What if there were a generally unknown state of mental health equivalent to being in heaven that people had in the Garden of Eden before they ate of the tree of knowledge, or rather before they became separated from that heavenly state of self unity through the invention of language which made possible the concept of good and evil which in turn made it possible to put children down and make them hate themselves and divide against themselves loosing that state of unity; and further the few people here and there who somehow managed through good luck or personal effort overcame those feelings and discovered that state of health, being as how they would easily be able to recognize each other banded together to study how best to awaken the rest of hell dwelling humanity, and concluded that a succession of three waves of Monotheism would provide the evolutionary spiritual advancement necessary to raise people up in sufficient numbers to maintain a teachable number to man a hidden inner school of teaching that could guide and keep humanity alive. In such a case religion wouldn't be superstition about nothing, but misinformation about a hidden advanced science, a science so advanced as to be known to almost nobody. In such a case one could be tempted to say that religion is a placebo which brings some not illusions, but a real cure. What if religion is a blueprint and analogy of something happening at a higher dimension the sincere practice of which allows an occasional transformation of the mind. Such a scenario might be quite possible if there is actually nothing wrong with people but a feeling there is. All that would be necessary is to somehow loose that feeling.

But then again, who would ever imagine there could be something wrong with them. That would simply be impossible. Surely you would feel it if it were true, right?

In your own arcane and verbose way, you are aweseome.

 

[PatboyX]

people mention NT passages.
does anyone have more specifics so i can look those up?

(other than the already mentioned romans)

 

[chess9]

If 1 billion people believe X is true then the probability of X being true approaches zero.

-Robert