So I was driving through the ghetto yesterday.....

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: preslove

what the OP did was illegal. do you dispute that?

This argument is the last refuge for assholes and idiots. Things often are made illegal because of hysteria. Add sex, drugs, drunk driving, terrorism, immigration, guns, etc. to any legislative docket and you'll see some fvcked up laws spew forth. If you rely on our legal system for you ethical cues, there's no hope.


The op was impaired by the fact that he was EATING AND DRINKING, not drinking alcohol. The reactionaries on this board get their panties all in a wad about cell phone drivers, but probably don't care about distractions like this one. Of course, he was driving 25 mph, so who cares. Sounds fun.

drinking and driving was not made illegal because of hysteria oh wise one :roll:

it was obviously made illegal because assholes drank too much, drove impaired, and frickin killed themselves and others by getting into auto accidents.

your fancy words aren't worth posting.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

You were free to do it before, and now you are not. I'd call that a loss of freedom.

I think you've confused "right" with "freedom" in this case.

You can thank idiots who drive drunk for the loss of that freedom. IMO I believe the law actually prevents Drunk Driving to some extent and actually saves lives. Argue with me all you want but I think you are just being obstinate. As a Motorcycle Rider I'd think that you would be for this law. One less drunken idiot on the road to run you down because some cop pulled his ass over for driving with an open container. You know the odds are that if a person has an open container in his car, even if it's just one, he's had a few belts before he got behind the well. WTF, what's the problem with waiting to get home to crack one open or to stop at the local watering hole just to have 1 beer?

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
Amused, you are fighting a losing battle with your opinion on open container law. It would ENCOURAGE people behind the wheel to have a drink. And you know that not everyone has a sense of control for only one beer that you claim they do.

Really?

So safe sex classes in sex ed ENCOURAGE kids to have sex?

Open container laws do nothing to stop drunk driving. Saying the lack of a law encourages people to do something is rather silly. It's like laws against suicide. Do you REALLY think suicide rates would rise if laws against them were taken off the books???

Drunk driving is already illegal. Passing more laws in an attempt to stop people from breaking already existing laws does nothing but rob innocent people of their freedoms.

Dude, wtf. Your other examples have nothing to do with anything we have discussed. Those are completely different things. You must like arguing. If people are allowed to drink in their cars, you are robbing them of the opportunity that someone will get involved and try to save their life or the lives of others. Sadly, few people need a reason to drink.

No, they are completely relevant. And your post proves that.

I have no clue what you are talking about. You know you are in the wrong. Allowing drinking in the car encourages people to drink in the car. Because you know that people who drink alcohol wouldn't mind getting this open container law off the books. If you allow someone to operate machinery and drink.. you must have one thick skull. I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
Amused, you are fighting a losing battle with your opinion on open container law. It would ENCOURAGE people behind the wheel to have a drink. And you know that not everyone has a sense of control for only one beer that you claim they do.

Really?

So safe sex classes in sex ed ENCOURAGE kids to have sex?

Open container laws do nothing to stop drunk driving. Saying the lack of a law encourages people to do something is rather silly. It's like laws against suicide. Do you REALLY think suicide rates would rise if laws against them were taken off the books???

Drunk driving is already illegal. Passing more laws in an attempt to stop people from breaking already existing laws does nothing but rob innocent people of their freedoms.

Dude, wtf. Your other examples have nothing to do with anything we have discussed. Those are completely different things. You must like arguing. If people are allowed to drink in their cars, you are robbing them of the opportunity that someone will get involved and try to save their life or the lives of others. Sadly, few people need a reason to drink.

Heh... I'm thinking you must like arguing as well, else you probably would have given up by this point.

 

[K1052]

To my knowledge people are generally only charged with violating open container laws when they are caught doing something else illegal anyway. It is just another charge for them to add on. They don't stop anyone from doing it.

The only thing stupider is perhaps public intoxication laws that can land you in the drunk tank at your county jail just for being intoxicated anywhere outside your home.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

You were free to do it before, and now you are not. I'd call that a loss of freedom.

I think you've confused "right" with "freedom" in this case.

You can thank idiots who drive drunk for the loss of that freedom. IMO I believe the law actually prevents Drunk Driving to some extent and actually saves lives. Argue with me all you want but I think you are just being obstinate. As a Motorcycle Rider I'd think that you would be for this law. One less drunken idiot on the road to run you down because some cop pulled his ass over for driving with an open container. You know the odds are that if a person has an open container in his car, even if it's just one, he's had a few belts before he got behind the well. WTF, what's the problem with waiting to get home to crack one open or to stop at the local watering hole just to have 1 beer?

Well, thats the problem. I do not believe that passing more laws to prevent people from breaking already existing laws have any effect at all, except to rob innocent people of their freedoms.

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

Of COURSE I oppose drunk driving. I just do not believe open container laws do anything to curb it.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
Amused, you are fighting a losing battle with your opinion on open container law. It would ENCOURAGE people behind the wheel to have a drink. And you know that not everyone has a sense of control for only one beer that you claim they do.

Really?

So safe sex classes in sex ed ENCOURAGE kids to have sex?

Open container laws do nothing to stop drunk driving. Saying the lack of a law encourages people to do something is rather silly. It's like laws against suicide. Do you REALLY think suicide rates would rise if laws against them were taken off the books???

Drunk driving is already illegal. Passing more laws in an attempt to stop people from breaking already existing laws does nothing but rob innocent people of their freedoms.

Dude, wtf. Your other examples have nothing to do with anything we have discussed. Those are completely different things. You must like arguing. If people are allowed to drink in their cars, you are robbing them of the opportunity that someone will get involved and try to save their life or the lives of others. Sadly, few people need a reason to drink.

Heh... I'm thinking you must like arguing as well, else you probably would have given up by this point.

he does like arguing. fact is, he should have a new title here:
Advocates drinking&driving Member

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

 

[nakedfrog]

FWIW, I don't think driving with an open container should be illegal. However, I think the police should still have every right to pull you over if you are seen drinking while driving--that's just common sense, they pull people over when there's suspicion of a law being broken. I would hope cops would pull someone over if they saw them drinking a beer regardless of whether or not there is an open container law.

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
Amused, you are fighting a losing battle with your opinion on open container law. It would ENCOURAGE people behind the wheel to have a drink. And you know that not everyone has a sense of control for only one beer that you claim they do.

Really?

So safe sex classes in sex ed ENCOURAGE kids to have sex?

Open container laws do nothing to stop drunk driving. Saying the lack of a law encourages people to do something is rather silly. It's like laws against suicide. Do you REALLY think suicide rates would rise if laws against them were taken off the books???

Drunk driving is already illegal. Passing more laws in an attempt to stop people from breaking already existing laws does nothing but rob innocent people of their freedoms.

Dude, wtf. Your other examples have nothing to do with anything we have discussed. Those are completely different things. You must like arguing. If people are allowed to drink in their cars, you are robbing them of the opportunity that someone will get involved and try to save their life or the lives of others. Sadly, few people need a reason to drink.

Heh... I'm thinking you must like arguing as well, else you probably would have given up by this point.

I don't enjoy arguing. In fact, this whole topic is making me frustrated because a few of you have opinions that are unbelievable regarding open container. I hate to think that it will take one drunk driver with a beer can found in his car for it to change your mind to the opinion of the majority of people who are FOR the open container law. While I hope this doesn't happen to you, I think that would be the only way to open Amused and other's thick skulls.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

he does like arguing. fact is, he should have a new title here:
Advocates drinking&driving Member

Rather silly, don't you think?

When did I advoctae drinking and driving? When did I advocate ANYTHING at all?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

you prove it. you prove that it hasn't saved lives.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: preslove

what the OP did was illegal. do you dispute that?

This argument is the last refuge for assholes and idiots. Things often are made illegal because of hysteria. Add sex, drugs, drunk driving, terrorism, immigration, guns, etc. to any legislative docket and you'll see some fvcked up laws spew forth. If you rely on our legal system for you ethical cues, there's no hope.


The op was impaired by the fact that he was EATING AND DRINKING, not drinking alcohol. The reactionaries on this board get their panties all in a wad about cell phone drivers, but probably don't care about distractions like this one. Of course, he was driving 25 mph, so who cares. Sounds fun.

Excuse me, I don't give a sh!t if he had an open container, I just wouldn't feel sorry for him if he was ticketed for it. It's his choice not to follow the law so he can deal with the consequences if he is caught. Obviously he wasn't so there is no consequences for him to deal with. Was it smart of him? I don't think so because it wasn't worth the risk in my opinion and he shouldn't push his luck because he will get caught and even if he isn't drunk a ticket for an open container will cause his insurance rates to go up dramatically (if it isn't canceled)

BTW, the thing that brought me into this debate was Amused's proposition that open Alcoholic Containers be allowed in moving vehicle's which I think is ridiculous.

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Prove that it doesn't. I don't think either of us can. But using LOGIC, I'm right.

edit://lmao, same view pt with mosh...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

he does like arguing. fact is, he should have a new title here:
Advocates drinking&driving Member

Rather silly, don't you think?

When did I advoctae drinking and driving? When did I advocate ANYTHING at all?

not silly - hitting the nail on the head.

you see nothing wrong with the OP drinking a beer while driving.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I hate to think that it will take one drunk driver with a beer can found in his car for it to change your mind to the opinion of the majority of people who are FOR the open container law. While I hope this doesn't happen to you, I think that would be the only way to open Amused and other's thick skulls.

What makes you think an open container law is going to stop someone already breaking drunk driving laws?

As I said to Red:

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

he does like arguing. fact is, he should have a new title here:
Advocates drinking&driving Member

Rather silly, don't you think?

When did I advoctae drinking and driving? When did I advocate ANYTHING at all?

not silly - hitting the nail on the head.

you see nothing wrong with the OP drinking a beer while driving.

When did I advocate that anyone should?

Maybe you need to look up the word?

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I hate to think that it will take one drunk driver with a beer can found in his car for it to change your mind to the opinion of the majority of people who are FOR the open container law. While I hope this doesn't happen to you, I think that would be the only way to open Amused and other's thick skulls.

What makes you think an open container law is going to stop someone already breaking drunk driving laws?

As I said to Red:

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

Listen to yourself. It stops people who were NOT already impaired to not do it while they are driving.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

he does like arguing. fact is, he should have a new title here:
Advocates drinking&driving Member

Rather silly, don't you think?

When did I advoctae drinking and driving? When did I advocate ANYTHING at all?

not silly - hitting the nail on the head.

you see nothing wrong with the OP drinking a beer while driving.

When did I advocate that anyone should?

Maybe you need to look up the word?

eating crow?

look that up.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Prove that it doesn't. I don't think either of us can. But using LOGIC, I'm right.

edit://lmao, same view pt with mosh...

Are you asking me to prove a negative?

Are you asking me to prove a negative against a claim you made?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

It might not stop the habitual drunk but most of thiose who get busted for drunk driving are not habitual drunks. The law drives home the fact that drinking and driving is against the law.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

You were free to do it before, and now you are not. I'd call that a loss of freedom.

I think you've confused "right" with "freedom" in this case.

You can thank idiots who drive drunk for the loss of that freedom. IMO I believe the law actually prevents Drunk Driving to some extent and actually saves lives. Argue with me all you want but I think you are just being obstinate. As a Motorcycle Rider I'd think that you would be for this law. One less drunken idiot on the road to run you down because some cop pulled his ass over for driving with an open container. You know the odds are that if a person has an open container in his car, even if it's just one, he's had a few belts before he got behind the well. WTF, what's the problem with waiting to get home to crack one open or to stop at the local watering hole just to have 1 beer?

Well, thats the problem. I do not believe that passing more laws to prevent people from breaking already existing laws have any effect at all, except to rob innocent people of their freedoms.

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

Of COURSE I oppose drunk driving. I just do not believe open container laws do anything to curb it.

of course the open container law does prevent more drunk driving. a reasonable person that likes to follow the law will not drink a six pack that he picked up from a 7-11 on his way to work. if the law wasnt in place, then that person would go ahead and have one, then two then three....

we cant do anything about the ones that like to break the laws and drink anyway, but there are people who will not drink and will wait until they get home because of the laws.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I hate to think that it will take one drunk driver with a beer can found in his car for it to change your mind to the opinion of the majority of people who are FOR the open container law. While I hope this doesn't happen to you, I think that would be the only way to open Amused and other's thick skulls.

What makes you think an open container law is going to stop someone already breaking drunk driving laws?

As I said to Red:

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

Listen to yourself. It stops people who were NOT already impaired to not do it while they are driving.

No it doesn't.

That's like saying gun control laws stop people from killing other people. As if one law will stop someone already inclined to break another law.

The person inclined to drive drunk will do so, no matter how many other laws you pass, because he's already breaking one law as it is. Passing more laws does nothing to stop him.

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Prove that it doesn't. I don't think either of us can. But using LOGIC, I'm right.

edit://lmao, same view pt with mosh...

Are you asking me to prove a negative?

Are you asking me to prove a negative against a claim you made?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I'm asking you to prove what you are trying to say. Prove that the open container law does not save lives. You can't do it. So you use this "waaaah you want me to prove a negative waaaah".

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Prove that it doesn't. I don't think either of us can. But using LOGIC, I'm right.

edit://lmao, same view pt with mosh...

Are you asking me to prove a negative?

Are you asking me to prove a negative against a claim you made?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Please STFU.

Nobody needs to drink a beer whilst driving, it does not constitute an infringement on their human rights and it is illegal* and open to abuse if allowed.

Please stop trying to be the hero by backing up a stupid initial post, even if you believe it, which I hope you do not.

*whether you like it or not.