So I borrowed my friend's macbook....

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I love Apple hardware design but the OS drives me batshit.

That pretty well sums it up for me as well. I feel like a retard sitting in the corner when I sit down to a Mac.

lol, so true...it may be because i've used windows for so long, but it just seems way more intuitive than mac os.

i sit down in front of a mac and i just go DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....

it's like i've never seen a computer before

you probably go "durrrrrrrrrrrrr" because you've got to be an idiot to not figure out how to use a mac in like 20 seconds.

then i must be an idiot because i spent 20 minutes in front of one and managed to figure some things out, but its just completely different than on windows.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

How so? You get rid of things by putting them in the trash. You want to 'get rid' of the disc (or whatever is connected to your computer), so you put it in the trash. Maybe it's just my low-tech mind, but it seems pretty clear-cut to me.

I'd say people think it is slightly awkward because of what the trash can represents. When you delete a file, you are disposing of it with no intention to ever use it again (for the most part). Removing a physical device or piece of media isn't the same at all. The vast majority of the time, you have the intent to use it again, so throwing it away makes no sense.

I can see it both ways. If it were a recycle bin it would have made more sense.

 

[AMCRambler]

Linux is better but still can be frustrating for the non-technical user. Mounting drives as opposed to popping your media in and going. Network setup can be confusing as well although that had gotten a lot better last I used a Linux OS. Mac OS I can't even comment on as I know nothing about it. It could be easy, it could be hard. From your experience it sounds like I'd have just as much trouble.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Engraver

Originally posted by: eits

not to mention apple laptops last much longer than pc laptops... and they still look sweet .

Last much longer how so? You can't upgrade them yourself...which in itself is insanity. I hear L. Ron Hubbard calling...

You can't? Because I can, and, as I mentioned before, I have a low-tech mind.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Engraver

Originally posted by: eits

not to mention apple laptops last much longer than pc laptops... and they still look sweet .

Last much longer how so? You can't upgrade them yourself...which in itself is insanity. I hear L. Ron Hubbard calling...

i can't? hm... i'm pretty sure i just did. yup... i upgraded the memory myself. wow... go me for doing the impossible.

they last much longer by still being aesthetically pleasing, not being ridiculously thick or heavy, and, as it was explained to me by my computer tech friend, the architecture apple uses in their machines makes it so that the components will last longer. that's why you spend more money on apple computers than pcs... because they will last you longer. apple knows that if they put out computers that will fail at a rate pcs do, people won't buy them because they're more expensive and will have about the same longevity as a pc. you're not just paying for looks... you're paying for longevity and functionality.

to some people, it's worth it. to some others, it's not.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

the eject button on the KB isnt intuitive either, if you have never used a Mac you will have no idea WTF it is anyway

I do think that it's unlike Windows' approach, but what else are you supposed to think about the function of that eject button? That eject graphic is used on many non-Mac devices such as stand-alone DVD players.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

the eject button on the KB isnt intuitive either, if you have never used a Mac you will have no idea WTF it is anyway

wtf? you mean if you've never used an electronics device ever and have never seen the strange, cryptic-looking symbol in your life.

gee, i wonder what the little button on the top right corner of the keyboard does... it doesn't have any words or letters on it. i can't figure it out. it's just some strange character i've never seen before... is that japanese? someone help! macs are so hard to use!!!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it

its not labled eject its just the symbol, and that is the issue, i didnt even knoe that there was an "eject symbol" untill 2001 when i had to use the macs my college had, most people still dont know what it is

my dad who has had a AV player sence the 8 track, he had a beta max and a VCR when they first came out still doesnt know what the pause and play symbols are,

ive never understoon the "macs are easier" statement for someone who doesnt know either Windows is a far easier system to learn

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

you get a mouse that has multiple buttons, duh. or, holding down the one-button mouse button is the same as right-clicking.

there's nowhere that says that you HAVE to use the one-button apple mouse in order to use a mouse on a mac. besides, there are new mice out by apple that have the right-click capability. http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it

its not labled eject its just the symbol, and that is the issue, i didnt even knoe that there was an "eject symbol" untill 2001 when i had to use the macs my college had, most people still dont know what it is

my dad who has had a AV player sence the 8 track, he had a beta max and a VCR when they first came out still doesnt know what the pause and play symbols are,

ive never understoon the "macs are easier" statement for someone who doesnt know either Windows is a far easier system to learn

HAHAH WTF?! are you kidding me? you've never used a dvd player or a vcr or a walkman or a tape deck or anything before using a mac? wtf kind of rock did you live under?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

you get a mouse that has multiple buttons, duh. or, holding down the one-button mouse button is the same as right-clicking.

there's nowhere that says that you HAVE to use the one-button apple mouse in order to use a mouse on a mac. besides, there are new mice out by apple that have the right-click capability. http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Now that is dumb, you eject something by dragging it to the trash?

haha, my thoughts exactly. i don't see how that is intuitive.

if you don't like that method, you could always press the eject button on the top of the keyboard.

or you could right click on it and eject.

or you could go into macintosh hd and press the eject image next to the drive name.

where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

you get a mouse that has multiple buttons, duh. or, holding down the one-button mouse button is the same as right-clicking.

there's nowhere that says that you HAVE to use the one-button apple mouse in order to use a mouse on a mac. besides, there are new mice out by apple that have the right-click capability. http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

by plugging your old, multi-button mouse into the goddamn usb slot?

hard concept, i know...

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

Um, it's pretty straightforward. If you've used any electronic with an eject button, you should know the symbol. If you had used PCs before, and were used to a two button mouse you would probably use one anyway. And...it's labeled 'Macintosh HD' right on the frellin desktop...kinda hard to miss that.

Edit: As I mentioned, I'm new to Mac, and I am rather low tech...I figured it out pretty easily.

 

[Corporate Thug]

just work with it for a week or two and you'll know everything you need to know.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

At this point I really hope you're trying to act dumb just to get on eits' nerves, because you're beginning to sound retarded.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

by virtue of having used an electronics device in the past. anything that you've had to press play or fast forward or rewind or pause or something undoubtedly had an eject button as well. seeing how the symbols for play, rewind, ff, pause, and stop are universal, one would deduce that eject is as well. therefore, logic would dictate that the eject logo on the top corner of the keyboard would eject a disc that you put into the drive bay.

also, there's an icon on the top right corner of the desktop that shows a hard drive image and it says "macintosh hd"... i think that's easier to say than "click here if you want to access various files, folders, accessories, and whatnot... it's all the stuff that you've got stored on your hard drive, except it's easily categorized so you can find stuff a lot quicker" under the icon. also, humans are curious by nature... so, someone would click on the icon without too much fear that the laptop will explode beneath their hands. once they've clicked on it, any idiot could figure out what is going on.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it

its not labled eject its just the symbol, and that is the issue, i didnt even knoe that there was an "eject symbol" untill 2001 when i had to use the macs my college had, most people still dont know what it is

my dad who has had a AV player sence the 8 track, he had a beta max and a VCR when they first came out still doesnt know what the pause and play symbols are,

ive never understoon the "macs are easier" statement for someone who doesnt know either Windows is a far easier system to learn

HAHAH WTF?! are you kidding me? you've never used a dvd player or a vcr or a walkman or a tape deck or anything before using a mac? wtf kind of rock did you live under?

actually i had a walkman back when they looked like WW2 army phones, and any number of random eletronic devices, and i honestly never paied attention to what the eject symbol was,

as i said i never knew there was one untill my school got those ET looking Imacs and put them everywhere, hell i even owned a PowerPC back in like 98, first computer i owned was a mac, running OS 8.xx its KB didnt have an eject button, the CD drive had a button and IIRC it wasent labled it was just there

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Drag what into the trash? There is nothing on the desktop that says "USB DVD Drive" there are no drive letters either....

Drag the MacBook into the trash. Then set it on fire.

Problem solved. :thumbsup:

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it

its not labled eject its just the symbol, and that is the issue, i didnt even knoe that there was an "eject symbol" untill 2001 when i had to use the macs my college had, most people still dont know what it is

my dad who has had a AV player sence the 8 track, he had a beta max and a VCR when they first came out still doesnt know what the pause and play symbols are,

ive never understoon the "macs are easier" statement for someone who doesnt know either Windows is a far easier system to learn

HAHAH WTF?! are you kidding me? you've never used a dvd player or a vcr or a walkman or a tape deck or anything before using a mac? wtf kind of rock did you live under?

actually i had a walkman back when they looked like WW2 army phones, and any number of random eletronic devices, and i honestly never paied attention to what the eject symbol was,

as i said i never knew there was one untill my school got those ET looking Imacs and put them everywhere, hell i even owned a PowerPC back in like 98, first computer i owned was a mac, running OS 8.xx its KB didnt have an eject button, the CD drive had a button and IIRC it wasent labled it was just there

you never used a cd drive on a pc before? you never saw the eject symbol over the eject button? how did you know that one was eject and the other was play?

did you have a cassett player in your car? how about a cd player? are you just completely blind or oblivious or something??? wtf? that's like not knowing wtf the mcdonald's logo looks like.

 

[pontifex]

But I don't have a 2 button mouse to plug in. How would I know that keeping the mouse button held down would do same as right clicking?

I already stated that the eject button would be simple if its labeled eject...

How would I know what the Macintosh HD does? I guess if one was already knowledgeable about PCs, you could infer that it stands for hard drive, but why would I look at the hard drive for a way to eject a cd or even a flash drive.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: pontifex
where's the eject button on the keyboard? is it labeled eject?

how do you right click with only 1 mouse button?

how do i get into the macintosh hd?

all that, except for the eject button (if its labeled eject) is assuming someone is already familair with a mac.

-The button with either 'eject' or the eject symbol on it
-Get a two button mouse
-Click on the object labeled 'Mactinosh HD'

jesus, that was so difficult... let me take a minute to wrap my head around those concepts...

and someone who has never used a mac knows this how?

that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. How the hell does someone who's never used Windows learn how to go to 'My Computer', or the internet, or go to control panel, or anything at all? They're simple things that you learn as you go along. That's the best thing about both of these OSes: take the time to use them and learn for a few days and then you'll see how simple they both are. From then you can determine which one you like best (instead of bashing what you don't know).