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So.... good shoot?

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Legal shoot. You may not like the law, but the shooting was legal as the law is written. The law cannot be applied only to the person who we side with, or shares our values or skin color or anything else.

This is not about the handicap spot, or what the shooter did weeks before, or what race they both are. It is about what happened in the span of a few seconds where McGlockton pushed Drejka down to the ground, hard, and without warning. Where McGlockton then proceeds to approach Drejka on the ground. In those few seconds, Drejka can be reasonably assumed to have a fear for his life, even though McGlockton does appear to back off after seeing the gun.

Now, let's expand a little. Does Drejka actually know who pushed him down? He cannot. Was it related to the car in the handicapped spot? Was it some random guy looking for trouble? Was it someone who just stabbed the store clerk as was trying to escape? Drejka has no way of knowing but it doesn't matter. Again, Drejka might be an ass, but that doesn't matter either.

If you do not think so, I propose the following thought experiment (not to be carried out). You play Drejka (sans gun) and I will push you down hard 10 different times and you tell me if you felt threatened after each one. Now let's expand it - randomly for 1 of those 10 times, I will continue on to further assault you on the ground. Can you guess which 1 in 10 is that one beforehand? Or even after the initial push?

Of course the above is silly because the answer to any reasonable adult is that each time is threatening, with risk of serious brain injury or death. It just takes one time with your head bouncing off the asphalt the wrong way.

All it would have taken for this to not happen is for Drejka, McGlockton, or Jacobs to do one thing differently.

sportage said:
So.... if that shooter at the car window had first been shot by the woman inside the car, would that also be justified murder?
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Based on the video, the woman Jacobs would have been at fault if she shot Drejka. He stands away at a reasonably distance and he appears to make no threatening gestures.
 
Jovec said:
Legal shoot. You may not like the law, but the shooting was legal as the law is written. The law cannot be applied only to the person who we side with, or shares our values or skin color or anything else.

This is not about the handicap spot, or what the shooter did weeks before, or what race they both are. It is about what happened in the span of a few seconds where McGlockton pushed Drejka down to the ground, hard, and without warning. Where McGlockton then proceeds to approach Drejka on the ground. In those few seconds, Drejka can be reasonably assumed to have a fear for his life, even though McGlockton does appear to back off after seeing the gun.

Now, let's expand a little. Does Drejka actually know who pushed him down? He cannot. Was it related to the car in the handicapped spot? Was it some random guy looking for trouble? Was it someone who just stabbed the store clerk as was trying to escape? Drejka has no way of knowing but it doesn't matter. Again, Drejka might be an ass, but that doesn't matter either.

If you do not think so, I propose the following thought experiment (not to be carried out). You play Drejka (sans gun) and I will push you down hard 10 different times and you tell me if you felt threatened after each one. Now let's expand it - randomly for 1 of those 10 times, I will continue on to further assault you on the ground. Can you guess which 1 in 10 is that one beforehand? Or even after the initial push?

Of course the above is silly because the answer to any reasonable adult is that each time is threatening, with risk of serious brain injury or death. It just takes one time with your head bouncing off the asphalt the wrong way.

All it would have taken for this to not happen is for Drejka, McGlockton, or Jacobs to do one thing differently.



Based on the video, the woman Jacobs would have been at fault if she shot Drejka. He stands away at a reasonably distance and he appears to make no threatening gestures.
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The actual video puts the lie to that song & dance routine. McGlockton did not advance on Drejka once he was down.

Drejka drew & fired when McGlockton was standing still several feet away. He's studied this kind of situation & thought about it before, tried to provoke it more than once. He created the situation. He understood that Florida law allowed him to commit murder rather than to let McGlockton either advance into a bullet or retreat. It's indefensible other than in a Florida Man sort of way.
 
Jhhnn said:
The actual video puts the lie to that song & dance routine. McGlockton did not advance on Drejka once he was down.

Drejka drew & fired when McGlockton was standing still several feet away. He's studied this kind of situation & thought about it before, tried to provoke it more than once. He created the situation. He understood that Florida law allowed him to commit murder rather than to let McGlockton either advance into a bullet or retreat. It's indefensible other than in a Florida Man sort of way.
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This is really up to the jury to decide wither or not this was a legal shooting or not. Don't the vast majority of self-defense cases go to trail in the US? I really hate to be in Drejka's shoes right now.
 
Jhhnn said:
The actual video puts the lie to that song & dance routine. McGlockton did not advance on Drejka once he was down.

Drejka drew & fired when McGlockton was standing still several feet away. He's studied this kind of situation & thought about it before, tried to provoke it more than once. He created the situation. He understood that Florida law allowed him to commit murder rather than to let McGlockton either advance into a bullet or retreat. It's indefensible other than in a Florida Man sort of way.
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McGlockton does move towards the Drejka on the ground after the shove for two steps or so, and does back up once Drejka reaches. We do not know his intent and neither does Drejka. Again, the retreat does not matter because Drejka can be reasonably assumed to be impaired by the assault.

Edit: I do hope Drejka thought about this prior to the shooting. Not in a "how can I legally murder someone way" but rather about the use of deadly force in self-defensive scenarios.
 
Jovec said:
Legal shoot. You may not like the law, but the shooting was legal as the law is written. The law cannot be applied only to the person who we side with, or shares our values or skin color or anything else.

This is not about the handicap spot, or what the shooter did weeks before, or what race they both are. It is about what happened in the span of a few seconds where McGlockton pushed Drejka down to the ground, hard, and without warning. Where McGlockton then proceeds to approach Drejka on the ground. In those few seconds, Drejka can be reasonably assumed to have a fear for his life, even though McGlockton does appear to back off after seeing the gun.

Now, let's expand a little. Does Drejka actually know who pushed him down? He cannot. Was it related to the car in the handicapped spot? Was it some random guy looking for trouble? Was it someone who just stabbed the store clerk as was trying to escape? Drejka has no way of knowing but it doesn't matter. Again, Drejka might be an ass, but that doesn't matter either.

If you do not think so, I propose the following thought experiment (not to be carried out). You play Drejka (sans gun) and I will push you down hard 10 different times and you tell me if you felt threatened after each one. Now let's expand it - randomly for 1 of those 10 times, I will continue on to further assault you on the ground. Can you guess which 1 in 10 is that one beforehand? Or even after the initial push?

Of course the above is silly because the answer to any reasonable adult is that each time is threatening, with risk of serious brain injury or death. It just takes one time with your head bouncing off the asphalt the wrong way.

All it would have taken for this to not happen is for Drejka, McGlockton, or Jacobs to do one thing differently.



Based on the video, the woman Jacobs would have been at fault if she shot Drejka. He stands away at a reasonably distance and he appears to make no threatening gestures.
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This is a very rare kind of post on this forum. Factual, relevant information and law. No sensationalism. For a moment I thought I was not on this forum.
 
Jovec said:
McGlockton does move towards the Drejka on the ground after the shove for two steps or so, and does back up once Drejka reaches. We do not know his intent and neither does Drejka. Again, the retreat does not matter because Drejka can be reasonably assumed to be impaired by the assault.

Edit: I do hope Drejka thought about this prior to the shooting. Not in a "how can I legally murder someone way" but rather about the use of deadly force in self-defensive scenarios.
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So Drejka's new defense is that he was impaired? McGlockton was held at bay by the gun regardless of his intentions. The conditions of honest self defense were fulfilled at that very moment. It was in no way necessary to kill McGlockton unless he advanced. He did not.
 
highland145 said:
No, that would be me.
It came out during the GZ trial that more blacks used that same "good shoot" law as a defense than whites, so, yes.


As far as the story, lock his ass up for murder.
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Well if you think it's a worthwhile competition I don't care which of you wins in your pride for being soulless pricks. I'll give the title to both of you if you feel you must own it as well. Weird request dude.
 
whm1974 said:
I was under the impression that most cases aren't "cut and dried" due to fact the police showed up after the event occurred.
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Might not be cut and dried but the evidence doesn't lie. No persecution with no evidence of foul play.

Younigue said:
Well if you think it's a worthwhile competition I don't care which of you wins in your pride for being soulless pricks. I'll give the title to both of you if you feel you must own it as well. Weird request dude.
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Sweet.
 
umbrella39 said:
Just his inner Geosurface peeking out. Didnt take too long. This kind of story is like a drop of blood in a sock shark tank...
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I must profess my ignorance of the term geosurface. Maybe it has something to do with geology but I must also admit I’m not sufficiently motivated to look it up.
 
Jovec said:
McGlockton does move towards the Drejka on the ground after the shove for two steps or so, and does back up once Drejka reaches. We do not know his intent and neither does Drejka. Again, the retreat does not matter because Drejka can be reasonably assumed to be impaired by the assault.

Edit: I do hope Drejka thought about this prior to the shooting. Not in a "how can I legally murder someone way" but rather about the use of deadly force in self-defensive scenarios.
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Why would you think that given the information that indicates that this was apparently a hunting ground to him.
 
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