So, does the 7950GX2 count as a single card solution?

[thilanliyan]

Does Crusader ever post anything constructive?? Or anything that isn't filled with overgeneralizations and garbage??

"Mediocre engineering" huh?? So you must work for the NVidia engineering team and have some intimate knowledge of how the video cards are created??

I think more telling in the link you provided is how the single GPU 7900GTX does against ONE single GPU X1900XTX. The ONE 7900GTX is "pummeled"(your word not mine) by almost 10fps at 1600x1200 4AA/16AF. There's your engineering for ya. Don't get me wrong the 7900GTX is probably a great card for lots of games...I just don't like it when people come in and post garbage.

 

[BFG10K]

Bad analogy. You can use the microwave ovens separately. You cannot use an individual part of the 7950GX2. It is one unit, 2pcb's, one slot.

No different to disabling SLI when two cards are installed in the system.

And actually you can use them individually as you need to disable SLI to use multiple monitors properly and the same applies to the 7950GX2.

EDIT: Oh, here is a piece of the summary from Xbits recent review of the 7950GX2:

Nothing you quoted backs your claim. In fact they mentioned SLI AA modes and Quad SLI, both of which would be impossible if the card really was a single card.

Tell me, if it's a single card like you claim why does nVidia call two of them Quad?

Where does the Quad come from if two single cards (according to your claims) are being used together?

Oh, and you might want to carefully read the entire review:

Click.

a single GeForce 7950 GX2, is actually none other but a common SLI tandem using one PCI Express slot instead of two, as usual.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Like BFG said, from a hardware standpoint, it is one card, from software standpoint, it is two.

No. It sees 2 GPUs. If it saw 2 cards it would be looking at 2 PCIe slots.

 

[BFG10K]

OMG! you just don't get it, do it!?

SLI sees 16 PCI-e lanes, distribute data through 16 PCI-e lanes, SOFTWARE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDWARE!!!!!

You keep playing these rhetorical games but I notice you never answer any of my questions.

If "software has nothing to do with hardware" how is it that SLI AA modes are available on the 7950GX2 but not on regular single cards?

Also if it's a single card why do nVidia themselves call two of them Quad SLI? You do know that "Quad" means four, right?

Answer the questions instead of repeating "OMG sofwarze has nothing to with teh harwarze" like a broken record.

Never seen you say anything technical, my guess is , you simply have nothing technical to say because you simply don't know anything.

And you think your answers thus-far have been technical? My, you certainly live on a high perch don't you?

 

[BFG10K]

No. It sees 2 GPUs. If it saw 2 cards it would be looking at 2 PCIe slots.

Just like two microwaves connected to one wall outlet counts as one appliance in your world?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

No. It sees 2 GPUs. If it saw 2 cards it would be looking at 2 PCIe slots.

Just like two microwaves connected to one wall outlet counts as one appliance in your world?

I guess the ATI AIW is 2 cards because the software sees 2 cards a video card and a TV tuner\vid capture card. A dual core CPU is 2 CPUs because the software sees 2 CPUs.

You can separate 2 microwaves so your analogy is pointless. Can you separate a 7950GX2 and run it in 2 slots? Call Newegg and tell they you want to order 2 video cards and when they as which 2, tell them the 7950GX2 and see what happens. Will you get just 1 because it's really 2 cards.

Anyone who has trouble grasping the concept of 1 video card that has 2 GPUs must not know anything about computers and the internet may be a bit too advanced for them.

I had a computer that had 2 CPUs in it. Holy sh** it must have really been 2 computers!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: redbox
Beggerking, I would also like you to use the link button, but given your past posting history(i.e. the lack of using the edit button) I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

Please post proof. If you are going to attack someone because they don't have as much knowledge as you do, then I would like to see some of your 'knowledge'.

I am not going to disagree yet because I have very little knowledge when it comes to software utilization. I would, however, like you to provide this knowledge and maybe educate me.

That would provide a worth while discussion instead of one marked by flames.

For a final point please when replying to this message, try very hard not to cry about how this person or that person is doing it too. It's not very becoming of such an intellect as yours.

Thank you.

goto how pci-e works

"This identification of devices and connections is the same protocol PCI uses, so PCIe does not require any changes to software or operating systems. "

bolded, protocol(protocoled data), is simply specially coded data packages. That is the only thing between hardware and software, it doesn't see "how many GPUs", it sees data. Hardware has no direct relationship to software.

even pictures within the article proved BFG wrong.., it illustrated 16 lanes rather than BFG's "2 GPU.." theory. Software(SLI) only controls how much and what data to feed into each of these lanes.

ya, BFG, thilan29, Josh, put howstuffworks.com in your favorite so you won't embarrass yourselves next time.

But, I doubt BFG will be able to understand the article.. given his knowledge in software and hardware... he really should game less and study more..

Edit: to clearify, protocol specification also includes information on which GPU will be using the data, which is completely software controlled. It is entirely possible for SLI software to assign a data to GPU #3 even if GPU #3 doesn't exist. (thru hackin or programming)

 

[SKoprowski]

Geesh.........I don't remember having this arguement when the Voodoo 5 came out which was essentially the exact same situation.

 

[thilanliyan]

If what Beggerking saying is completely true then with the 7950GX2 you should be able to get the same performance boost without the SLI drivers.

Hey Beggerking, if there is no correlation between hardware and software there should be a hacked driver that somehow fools the OS into thinking there is only one GPU. Is there a hacked driver that fools the OS into thinking there is only ONE GPU?? I don't know of one but please link it if you do.

 

[Hellfyre]

I definately think it's a Single Card Solution. Hopefully in the near future, it will be supporded without a bios update, and will perform at specs, but i think currently it's too buggy to use with many of the games/boards on the market. Just my opinion though.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29
If what Beggerking saying is completely true then with the 7950GX2 you should be able to get the same performance boost without the SLI drivers.

Hey Beggerking, if there is no correlation between hardware and software there should be a hacked driver that somehow fools the OS into thinking there is only one GPU. Is there a hacked driver that fools the OS into thinking there is only ONE GPU?? I don't know of one but please link it if you do.

Is it incredibly important to win this argument? Because you can't. Not because you're incorrect mind you. You can't argue with a wall.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29
If what Beggerking saying is completely true then with the 7950GX2 you should be able to get the same performance boost without the SLI drivers.

Hey Beggerking, if there is no correlation between hardware and software there should be a hacked driver that somehow fools the OS into thinking there is only one GPU. Is there a hacked driver that fools the OS into thinking there is only ONE GPU?? I don't know of one but please link it if you do.

1. thats what protocoled data is for. it contain info about which device will use the data. if data is not protocoled, both GPU will be processing the same data, which would be pointless.
2. Yes. its in Bios.

keys, please shut up if you don't have anything useful to say. you are pathetic.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Hellfyre
I definately think it's a Single Card Solution. Hopefully in the near future, it will be supporded without a bios update, and will perform at specs, but i think currently it's too buggy to use with many of the games/boards on the market. Just my opinion though.

I'm sure future mb will have dual GPU support in bios since I would expect ATI to follow the same route for their future cards. it is not more buggy than SLI but the need to update bios is obviously a big set back.

 

[5150Joker]

Beggerking: Googling websites for explanations on how basic things like PCI-e function and then posting here as if you're some sort of expert just proves what a fraud you are. You should quit while you're behind.

 

[BFG10K]

I guess the ATI AIW is 2 cards because the software sees 2 cards a video card and a TV tuner\vid capture card.

Yes, I guess so. It isn't really two GPUs though, just one GPU + Rage Theater chip (or whatever ATi calls their VIVO chips these days).

A dual core CPU is 2 CPUs because the software sees 2 CPUs.

Yes, it is two CPUs combined onto one die using one socket. Why do you have so much trouble grasping this simple concept?

You can separate 2 microwaves so your analogy is pointless.

With some simple soldering you can't, much like how nVidia soldered two PCBs together which convinced you it's a single card.

If I solder the power cord from one microwave to the other would you class it as one appliance?

Can you separate a 7950GX2 and run it in 2 slots?

You can't run it in two slots but you can "separate" it to some degree by disabling the SLI driver path.

Call Newegg and tell they you want to order 2 video cards and when they as which 2, tell them the 7950GX2 and see what happens.

Call Newegg and ask them for Quad SLI, then count the number of cards you get. Hint: it ain't gonna be four.

Anyone who has trouble grasping the concept of 1 video card that has 2 GPUs must not know anything about computers and the internet may be a bit too advanced for them.

:roll:

I had a computer that had 2 CPUs in it. Holy sh** it must have really been 2 computers!

So you think a CPU counts as a computer but you point the finger at others and accuse them of lacking understanding?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: dramaqueen

Originally posted by: redbox
Beggerking, I would also like you to use the link button, but given your past posting history(i.e. the lack of using the edit button) I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

Please post proof. If you are going to attack someone because they don't have as much knowledge as you do, then I would like to see some of your 'knowledge'.

I am not going to disagree yet because I have very little knowledge when it comes to software utilization. I would, however, like you to provide this knowledge and maybe educate me.

That would provide a worth while discussion instead of one marked by flames.

For a final point please when replying to this message, try very hard not to cry about how this person or that person is doing it too. It's not very becoming of such an intellect as yours.

Thank you.

goto how pci-e works

"This identification of devices and connections is the same protocol PCI uses, so PCIe does not require any changes to software or operating systems. "

bolded, protocol(protocoled data), is simply specially coded data packages. That is the only thing between hardware and software, it doesn't see "how many GPUs", it sees data. Hardware has no direct relationship to software.

even pictures within the article proved BFG wrong.., it illustrated 16 lanes rather than BFG's "2 GPU.." theory. Software(SLI) only controls how much and what data to feed into each of these lanes.

ya, BFG, thilan29, Josh, put howstuffworks.com in your favorite so you won't embarrass yourselves next time.

But, I doubt BFG will be able to understand the article.. given his knowledge in software and hardware... he really should game less and study more..

Edit: to clearify, protocol specification also includes information on which GPU will be using the data, which is completely software controlled. It is entirely possible for SLI software to assign a data to GPU #3 even if GPU #3 doesn't exist. (thru hackin or programming)

Why do I need to do that? Yes, you are correct in the way "data" gets distributed through a PCI-E slot, however, that isn't what I'm talking about nor what I think BFG meant.

It doesn't change the fact that there are two destinations for the "data" to go to. If their is one GPU, there is one destination, if there is two GPU's, there is two destinations, etc. You're right, it doesn't "see" GPU's like you do, it "sees" two destinations.

Now the driver path is SLI, and when put with another card like this it is?????? Yep, QUAD (as in four) SLI. That means that there is 4 GPU's. So some simple math is 4/2=1 in dramaqueen land.

 

[BFG10K]

goto how pci-e works

So no answer to any of my questions beggerking?

Hardware has no direct relationship to software

Right, so the purpose of the SLI driver path would be ________? It requires no software changes according to your logic so why isn't the single GPU driver path used then? Why do we need SLI driver profiles for a card you claim is a single card?

even pictures within the article proved BFG wrong.., it illustrated 16 lanes rather than BFG's "2 GPU.." theory.

How has it proven me wrong? The number of lanes has to do with the PCIe protocol but that doesn't change the fact that different devices will have different needs.

Using your logic a sound card, NIC and GPU sitting on PCIe are equivalent to just one GPU sitting on PCIe since "hardware has nothing to do with software" or whatever the hell you're saying.

But, I doubt BFG will be able to understand the article.. given his knowledge in software and hardware... he really should game less and study more..

:roll:

It is entirely possible for SLI software to assign a data to GPU #3 even if GPU #3 doesn't exist. (thru hackin or programming)

It's also possible for software to do nothing through NOPs. What's your point? Specifically what the hell does it have to do with hardware?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

It doesn't change the fact that there are two destinations for the "data" to go to. If their is one GPU, there is one destination, if there is two GPU's, there is two destinations, etc. You're right, it doesn't "see" GPU's like you do, it "sees" two destinations.

Now the driver path is SLI, and when put with another card like this it is?????? Yep, QUAD (as in four) SLI. That means that there is 4 GPU's. So some simple math is 4/2=1 in dramaqueen land.

Josh, stop the your sig crap. You are making yourself look like a fool.

1. umm..you were quite adamant when you said "data see 2 GPUs" before, what happened there? now you are flipflopping? data don't see destination, data don't have eyes. Data are feed into the correct PCI-e lane, it has nothing to do with GPU or destination.

2.You are dumb, are you? what are you talking about? regardless of # of GPU it is still a single card.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: thilan29
If what Beggerking saying is completely true then with the 7950GX2 you should be able to get the same performance boost without the SLI drivers.

Hey Beggerking, if there is no correlation between hardware and software there should be a hacked driver that somehow fools the OS into thinking there is only one GPU. Is there a hacked driver that fools the OS into thinking there is only ONE GPU?? I don't know of one but please link it if you do.

Is it incredibly important to win this argument? Because you can't. Not because you're incorrect mind you. You can't argue with a wall.

:laugh:

Its even more funny when he doesnt realise it..

People just get over it. I agree with SKoprowski

Geesh.........I don't remember having this arguement when the Voodoo 5 came out which was essentially the exact same situation.

 

[beggerking]

Hardware has no direct relationship to software

Right, so the purpose of the SLI driver path would be ________? It requires no software changes according to your logic so why isn't the single GPU driver path used then? Why do we need SLI driver profiles for a card you claim is a single card?

to break data into parts
and which logic did I imply it requires no software changes? you obviously read it incorrectly, as usual.
do you even KNOW what is a GPU driver path?
profiles are used to optimize data distribution.

even pictures within the article proved BFG wrong.., it illustrated 16 lanes rather than BFG's "2 GPU.." theory.

How has it proven me wrong? The number of lanes has to do with the PCIe protocol but that doesn't change the fact that different devices will have different needs.

OMG, you just don't get it.
Software don't "see" your 2 GPU, it sees which lane to distribute data to.

quote:BFG:

It is entirely possible for SLI software to assign a data to GPU #3 even if GPU #3 doesn't exist. (thru hackin or programming)

It's also possible for software to do nothing through NOPs. What's your point? Specifically what the hell does it have to do with hardware?

so many questions ... simply imply your technical knowledge are not up to par to understand these stuff. please search howstuffworks.com before you ask stupid questions.

 

[Tegeril]

I don't think he's making himself look like a fool. It's rather amusing.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Yes, I guess so. It isn't really two GPUs though, just one GPU + Rage Theater chip (or whatever ATi calls their VIVO chips these days).

So you consider an AIW 2 cards?

Yes, it is two CPUs combined onto one die using one socket. Why do you have so much trouble grasping this simple concept?

So you think a dual core CPUs is 2 CPUs?

With some simple soldering you can't, much like how nVidia soldered two PCBs together which convinced you it's a single card.

I need to count how many chips and other parts are soldered onto my video card, maybe I have like 10 video cards.

If I solder the power cord from one microwave to the other would you class it as one appliance?

If I bust my video card into nine parts is it now 9 video cards?

You can't run it in two slots but you can "separate" it to some degree by disabling the SLI driver path.

You have seperated nothing. If I disable the video input drivers on an AIW card have I seperated it into 2 cards now?

Call Newegg and ask them for Quad SLI, then count the number of cards you get. Hint: it ain't gonna be four.

Quad SLI is 4 GPUs. Where does it say card count?

:roll:

I know you are confused, I'm trying to explain it in simple terms to you.

So you think a CPU counts as a computer but you point the finger at others and accuse them of lacking understanding?

You think a video card that fits into one PCIe slot is somehow 2 video cards. Tell you what, buy a 7950GX2 and send me one of the cards from that set.

 

[NYHoustonman]

I think when somebody asks, what's the fastest single video card I can get, you have to tell them it's the 7950GX2... However, it's not literally one card, we should all realize that.

My .02

 

[BFG10K]

Josh, stop the your sig crap. You are making yourself look like a fool.

He's simply repeating what you said.

to break data into parts

Yes, into TWO parts, one for EACH GPU. Why do you still not get it? Why do you continue to dodge the issue while parroting your simpleton responses?

and which logic did I imply it requires no software changes?

Let me quote the signature again:

...SOFTWARE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDWARE!!!!!

do you even KNOW what is a GPU driver path?

You don't.

profiles are used to optimize data distribution.

Data distribution to TWO GPUs.

OMG, you just don't get it. Software don't "see" your 2 GPU, it sees which lane to distribute data to.

So how do I get SLI AA working onto single cards?

so many questions ... simply imply your technical knowledge are not up to par to understand these stuff.

No, they imply you don't have a clue what you're talking about and instead of admitting it you simply dodge the issue and keep parroting your same responses.

Answer the question: how do I get SLI AA working onto a single card?

 

[BFG10K]

So you consider an AIW 2 cards?

No, I consider it a GPU + VIVO chip. Try to comprehend what you read and you won't need to spam up the forum with redundant questions.

So you think a dual core CPUs is 2 CPUs?

Again if you learned how to read you wouldn't need to keep asking the same questions.

I need to count how many chips and other parts are soldered onto my video card, maybe I have like 10 video cards.

Oh, so now you think any old chip is classed as GPU?

If I bust my video card into nine parts is it now 9 video cards?

Can each part function as a fully-fledged GPU?

You have seperated nothing.

Actually yes, I have. By disabling SLI I split the two GPUs and allow multiple monitor output.

If I disable the video input drivers on an AIW card have I seperated it into 2 cards now?

Do you class a VIVO chip as a GPU?

Quad SLI is 4 GPUs.

Right.

Where does it say card count?

TWO 7950GX2s is Quad SLI. 1+1 = 2.

If you need help with this then Barney might be able to explain it to you.

I know you are confused, I'm trying to explain it in simple terms to you.

I'm not confused, you are simply parroting simpleton responses.

You think a video card that fits into one PCIe slot is somehow 2 video cards.

You think a video card that fits into one PCIe slot is somehow one video card despite behaving exactly like a multi-GPU SLI solution?

Tell you what, buy a 7950GX2 and send me one of the cards from that set.

The two cards are permanently soldered together.