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Smokers do not apply

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TechAZ

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I came across this today, and I was surprised. What's next, having employees hopping on a scale and taking a BMI?

Thoughts?



Tobacco-Free Hiring Policy

Beginning April 10, 2011, as part of its commitment to the health and well-being of our workforce and community, Scottsdale Healthcare will no longer hire or re-hire individuals who use tobacco.

On the online employment application form, all applicants will be asked if they use tobacco. All individuals who are offered a position with Scottsdale Healthcare are screened for tobacco use as part of the post-offer health assessment and screening.

Individuals whose screening results are verified positive for tobacco use will have their job offers withdrawn. Individuals whose job offers are withdrawn for tobacco use may reapply for employment after 180 days.

http://www.shc.org/pm
 
Meh. I don't support this type of thing because they're regulating what you do after hours. Is it bad for health and therefor might possibly drive HI costs? Yes, but so is a whole pile of other stuff too (driving fast, eating too much, or eating bad food, playing sports, drinking, risky sex etc).

OTOH, as long as it's a private company they can do want they want IMO.

Fern
 
Good rule. Smokers waste a lot of time, well, smoking throughout the day. Not to mention if they don't even care about their bodies how can they care about your bottom line?
 
Zebo said:
Not to mention if they don't even care about their bodies how can they care about your bottom line?
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And drinkers? And people who have high intake of fat? People who engage is risky social activities/hobbies?
 
Zebo said:
Good rule. Smokers waste a lot of time, well, smoking throughout the day. Not to mention if they don't even care about their bodies how can they care about your bottom line?
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Same with coffee drinkers. We need to ban them. Any employee will be tested for cafeine use.
 
spidey07 said:
Same with coffee drinkers. We need to ban them. Any employee will be tested for cafeine use.
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Coffee is actually good for you, been proven. I never drink it tho I'm amped all the time. Feels like my HR rises too much when I've tried it.
 
Smoking drives up health care costs paid by the employer enormously. Surely you free enterprise people aren't going to claim that this employer is not entitled to reduce its costs by not hiring people whose voluntary behavior will cost the employer more, cuts productivity, give no benefit to the employer and in addition endanger the lives of other employees?
 
Thump553 said:
Smoking drives up health care costs paid by the employer enormously. Surely you free enterprise people aren't going to claim that this employer is not entitled to reduce its costs by not hiring people whose voluntary behavior will cost the employer more, cuts productivity, give no benefit to the employer and in addition endanger the lives of other employees?
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That's not the only costs. If you have a smoker in you office just sit there all day and observe and time them and their frequent breaks. I've done it. 1 hour wasted coming out of your pocket every day.
 
Cool, just make sure you are consistent and do not hire people that use illegal drugs, drink alcohol, eat unhealthy foods or do not exercise.
 
Zebo said:
That's not the only costs. If you have a smoker in you office just sit there all day and observe and time them and their frequent breaks. I've done it. 1 hour wasted coming out of your pocket every day.
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What about the worker who doesn't do anything but monitor the smokers all day? That's real productive huh.
 
Zebo said:
That worker only costs you one day. A smoker costs you one day every 8.
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Sorry. I gotta throw a BS flag on this. If a worker is not being productive, taking too long at breaks etc, you have a management problem and not a smoker problem.

I have seen lots of lazy ass non-smokers that take long breaks etc every day also.
 
Thump553 said:
Smoking drives up health care costs paid by the employer enormously. Surely you free enterprise people aren't going to claim that this employer is not entitled to reduce its costs by not hiring people whose voluntary behavior will cost the employer more, cuts productivity, give no benefit to the employer and in addition endanger the lives of other employees?
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Never said they can't. Slippery slope. Once you use that reasoning it opens up all kinds of shit reasonsble people disagree with.
 
You can computerize the whole system. No doubt we could eventually computerize the government as well and corporations could even set the standards using computers. Won't that be fun.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Sorry. I gotta throw a BS flag on this. If a worker is not being productive, taking too long at breaks etc, you have a management problem and not a smoker problem.

I have seen lots of lazy ass non-smokers that take long breaks etc every day also.
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People love working for me because I don't make it so I have to manage. That's management skills.
 
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