Smokers do not apply

[TechAZ]

This is the bottom line. End of discussion.

So is it okay to discriminate against age, color, disability, etc?

 

[umbrella39]

I'm with Zebo on this one. The amount of extra break time smokers take is significant. It also makes a bad impression if your employees are interacting with clients.

This isn't about people taking smoking breaks. This is about smoking. Period. Not all smokers smoke on their breaks at work. Not all people who take their breaks at work smoke.

 

[JD50]

So is it okay to discriminate against age, color, disability, etc?

Do people choose to be a certain age, color, or to be disabled?

 

[nonlnear]

Do people choose to be a certain age, color, or to be disabled?

It won't be long before obesity is a protected class, so...

 

[sactoking]

So is it okay to discriminate against age, color, disability, etc?

Smokers are not a protected class. Apples and oranges.

 

[sactoking]

It won't be long before obesity is a protected class, so...

Kind of already is vis a vis the ADA.

 

[nonlnear]

Kind of already is vis a vis the ADA.

The case law is getting there. Obesity doesn't yet qualify for SS benefits so there might be a tiny bit of hope for sanity, but the writing is on the wall unless some proper legislation is passed to prevent the courts from legislating "ruling" on the matter

edit: And you're completely right, given the wording I chose. "protected class" was a reference to the ADA so I should have worded it much stronger. I was thinking of the broader landscape of disability legislation, but the inevitability of regulatory creep makes that moot in the long run...

 

[TechAZ]

Do people choose to be a certain age, color, or to be disabled?

Yeah, that was kind of a stupid kneejerk response on my part.

I'm just waiting for the crusade against fat people to start. The smokers have been the whipping boys for a while, someone else must be on-deck.

 

[pcgeek11]

People love working for me because I don't make it so I have to manage. That's management skills.

WTF does that mean? You have no employees?

 

[JD50]

Yeah, that was kind of a stupid kneejerk response on my part.

I'm just waiting for the crusade against fat people to start. The smokers have been the whipping boys for a while, someone else must be on-deck.

I don't know, that's a tough one. For some reason it's acceptable to make fun of smokers for their poor health decisions but you can't make fun of fatties. No idea why.

I do however find it interesting that the people that have be in favor of anti-smoking laws are all of the sudden supporting smokers.

 

[Ronstang]

WTF does that mean? You have no employees?

Only a good manager will understand what he is talking about.

 

[JSt0rm]

Good rule. Smokers waste a lot of time, well, smoking throughout the day. Not to mention if they don't even care about their bodies how can they care about your bottom line?

This.

Drinking in moderation is fine so is smoking cigars in moderation. The tobacco formula in cigarettes will fuck you up.

 

[nonlnear]

I don't know, that's a tough one. For some reason it's acceptable to make fun of smokers for their poor health decisions but you can't make fun of fatties. No idea why.

I do however find it interesting that the people that have be in favor of anti-smoking laws are all of the sudden supporting smokers.

There is a difference. Anti-smoking laws are designed to protect non-smokers from physical effects of other people's behavior. Directly exclusion of smokers (as opposed to prohibiting the behavior for certain times and in certain places) can't claim the same supporting rationale. There is a BIG difference between saying "No smoking allowed in this building" and saying "No smokers allowed in this building".

 

[pcgeek11]

Only a good manager will understand what he is talking about.

I know exactly what he is saying... That in itself is management.

He is saying that he doesn't manage... when actually he is. He implies that smokers are irresponsible and waste more time than non-smokers. That is what I disagree with. The facts are that some do and some do not. Just like non-smokers some are time wasters and some are not.

I know a lot of engineers that are morons, but I wouldn't say all engineers are.

 

[God Mode]

It would be nice to be able to find a list that shows companies with such policies so I can choose who and not to do business with.

 

[nonlnear]

It would be nice to be able to find a list that shows companies with such policies so I can choose who and not to do business with.

There's more than a handful of health insurers who do it, so depending on your employer (and your willingness to take a massive pay hit) you might not actually have a choice.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Hi,

In Michigan you have to be 100' from the building to smoke.Thre are smoking areas that are well away from all the crybabies and reformed smokers and Drinkers tha sit around tell now tell you the ills of SMOKING.

There are TOO MANY people in this world Like ZEBO... They think that they employ or are boss that they can dictate what you should do with you LIFE! You wonder why People can't find work or have given up looking for work. Would you want to work for someone like ZEBO? Who sits on the WHITE COLLAR ASS and control the lives of their employees?

If you want to SMOKE,DRINK OR have SEX That is your business. Not an employers,As long as you do your JOB that is required!!!!

Oh, and ZEBO It sounds like you wear the PANTS at work. But at home you wear the PANTIES...

bluwing

Except...if you work in a hospital it does interfere with your job, because one of your jobs is to convince people to stop smoking. And it doesn't exactly help when you're smoking 20 a day outside where everyone can see you.

 

[TechAZ]

Except...if you work in a hospital it does interfere with your job, because one of your jobs is to convince people to stop smoking. And it doesn't exactly help when you're smoking 20 a day outside where everyone can see you.

False.

Nurses and Doctors encourage patients to not smoke, they represent less than 1/2 of hospital employees. Most hospitals have adopted a smoke-free campus. That means you cannot smoke on hospital property. If any employees are abusing their breaks and taking additional time away from their department, that is management's fault.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Nurses and Doctors encourage patients to not smoke, they represent less than 1/2 of hospital employees.

And their cause is really helped by the auxiliary staff in the hospital who do smoke. Yeah, right.

 

[TechAZ]

And their cause is really helped by the auxiliary staff in the hospital who do smoke. Yeah, right.

Maybe you missed the part where I said that most hospitals are smoke-free zones now. You will not see an employee smoke anywhere near the hospitals in most places, and soon all will be like that.

I say we strip the vending machines out of hospitals, remove all deep fryers, and only serve salads.

 

[wuliheron]

Maybe you missed the part where I said that most hospitals are smoke-free zones now. You will not see an employee smoke anywhere near the hospitals in most places, and soon all will be like that.

I say we strip the vending machines out of hospitals, remove all deep fryers, and only serve salads.

You need to also forbid polyester clothing because it gives off formaldehyde, only allow green building materials that don't give off formaldehyde, ensure none of your employees is overweight, make sure everyone gets enough sleep and stop working them in 36 hour shifts, etc.

 

[Slew Foot]

Smokers are the second worst people in the universe. Id never hire that kind of trash to work for me.

 

[Brigandier]

Smokers are the second worst people in the universe. Id never hire that kind of trash to work for me.

Who are the first worst people in the universe, people that judge someone by a single aspect of their life?

 

[CPA]

Coffee is actually good for you, been proven. I never drink it tho I'm amped all the time. Feels like my HR rises too much when I've tried it.

That doesn't sound good for you...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

You need to also forbid polyester clothing because it gives off formaldehyde, only allow green building materials that don't give off formaldehyde, ensure none of your employees is overweight, make sure everyone gets enough sleep and stop working them in 36 hour shifts, etc.

And yet, regular smoking has a greater effect than all that combined on overall health.