Smokers do not apply

[Nebor]

I am fine with this. As far as im concerned they can choose to not hire people for whatever reason they want. Drinking, fat, risky lifestyle etc. If you really want the job youll adjust yourself accordingly. Or, find a job somewhere else that is ok with fatty drunkards

Agreed.

 

[JockoJohnson]

lol at the righties that are complaining about this. Aren't you the ones that always says a company should be able to run its business as it sees fit?

Yes, let's make sure not to use any common sense. If the rulebook for one side says you must believe this way, then do so. If you stray from that, then something must be broken.

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken on this one. If so, I apologize.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I don't know, that's a tough one. For some reason it's acceptable to make fun of smokers for their poor health decisions but you can't make fun of fatties. No idea why.

I do however find it interesting that the people that have be in favor of anti-smoking laws are all of the sudden supporting smokers.

Because fatties aren't fat because they eat a ton of food every day. They are fat because they are just big-boned. Are you willing to discriminate against people who were born with very large bones in their bodies?

 

[piasabird]

Smokers are drug addicts and represent a fire hazard.

 

[piasabird]

Army has a smoking ban on all new applicants.

 

[Nebor]

Army has a smoking ban on all new applicants.

Wat?

 

[airdata]

Good policy.

Would you hire a heroin addict that needed to go shoot up every couple hours? Cigarette smoking is a red flag for for weakness / compulsive behavior. I can understand why some people would do that.

For a healthcare provider, it's more of a no brainer. You get into extended liability if you have people w\ chemicals all over then handling sick patients.

I don't want a nurse who just took her smoke break around my wife or newborn baby.

 

[PingSpike]

Fat people persecution will not happen because most Americans are fat.

 

[HumblePie]

This is nothing new. Many companies have had this policy for a LONG time. I know the last company I worked for had this. They just refused to hire people that smoked. Not that they went around to people's houses after work and tried to find out of they really did smoke or not.

The company I'm talking about is Reynolds and Reynolds, and was formerly called UCS out of Houston. That's a policy they have had for a long long time.

 

[Zebo]

Hi,

In Michigan you have to be 100' from the building to smoke.Thre are smoking areas that are well away from all the crybabies and reformed smokers and Drinkers tha sit around tell now tell you the ills of SMOKING.bluwing

And how much time does that waste walking over 100 ft because I assume your desk is not by the front door, lighting, smoking and sometimes socializing with the guy who came 5 min after until he finishes his? A lot. You're paid to work not smoke.

Oh, and ZEBO It sounds like you wear the PANTS at work. But at home you wear the PANTIES...

That's a fact. Oh and my admin assist (can't call her secretary not PC) calls my wife when I get out of line at work.()

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

It's a private company. They're free to not hire you for any reason whatsoever. From not liking the curve of your face, to the way your mustache reminds them of that gay biker porn movie they saw back in the 70s, to the fact that your membership of certain internet technical forums indicates your lack of the social skills necessary in the corporate environment, nerd.


As a smoker, I'd be concerned, but with the age of social media and ubiquitous computing, it's pretty much a given this leads directly to actuarial analysis of your lifestyle for costs to the company pre-hire. Casual drinking, rock climbing, walking along busy highways, driving over the speed limit, driving aggressively, going to punk rock concerts. Everyone prepare to be calculated.

 

[Zebo]

There are two other problems besides affecting group rates and time wasted. Again I don't care what people do on their own time however if it effects bottom line it needs attention so long as it's not illegally discriminatory which non hiring of smokers is not. That is: in retail no customer like to be breathed on by a smoke stack hurting your customer base. It also creates problems with other employees albeit minor things add up, why introduce another variable to conflict and make unhappy employees?

 

[Zebo]

Fat people persecution will not happen because most Americans are fat.

People discriminate against fatties all the time. Go to hooters or any nicer bar. Or higher end/ boutique fast food such as fuddrukers or Stone cold creamery.. all fine specimens 18-25... In reality the brain is hardwired and even fatties will hire thinner better looking people in every line of work.

 

[desy]

I would think this would or could fall under discrimination laws for example, its illegal to ask marriage status.
Now if the smoking doesn't allow them to do the job then its like a fireman, you must be able to meet physical criteria to perform the duties asked, other than that I'd see it as discriminatory hiring practices. . .

 

[Darwin333]

That's a fact. Oh and my admin assist (can't call her secretary not PC) calls my wife when I get out of line at work.()

She better be really damned good at her job... (psst, if you tell anyone I said this I'll call you a liar, I couldn't live without my EA either)

 

[Darwin333]

I would think this would or could fall under discrimination laws for example, its illegal to ask marriage status.
Now if the smoking doesn't allow them to do the job then its like a fireman, you must be able to meet physical criteria to perform the duties asked, other than that I'd see it as discriminatory hiring practices. . .

Would you mind citing the exact discrimination law that you are speaking of?

 

[nobodyknows]

Smoking drives up health care costs paid by the employer enormously. Surely you free enterprise people aren't going to claim that this employer is not entitled to reduce its costs by not hiring people whose voluntary behavior will cost the employer more, cuts productivity, give no benefit to the employer and in addition endanger the lives of other employees?

Then I suppose you will support gene screening when the time comes?

 

[wuliheron]

Then I suppose you will support gene screening when the time comes?

Anal probes, that's the future.

 

[OutHouse]

Good policy.

Would you hire a heroin addict that needed to go shoot up every couple hours? Cigarette smoking is a red flag for for weakness / compulsive behavior. I can understand why some people would do that.

For a healthcare provider, it's more of a no brainer. You get into extended liability if you have people w\ chemicals all over then handling sick patients.

I don't want a nurse who just took her smoke break around my wife or newborn baby.

but Obama is a smoker.

 

[desy]

http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

"It also provides that certain personnel actions can not be based on attributes or conduct that do not adversely affect employee performance, such as marital status and political affiliation."

Theres all kinds of law

"Title VII, the ADA, and GINA cover all private employers, state and local governments, and education institutions that employ 15 or more individuals. These laws also cover private and public employment agencies, labor organizations, and joint labor management committees controlling apprenticeship and training."

http://www.eeoc.gov/

 

[Fern]

It ocurrs to me that who support this sort because of group coverage HI costs might want to think abut the ramifications to potential employees with a pre-existing medical condition.

Are you OK with companies denying employment to that crowd?

Fern

 

[shortylickens]

Anal probes, that's the future.

No good.
Guys like me would be applying for jobs we couldnt even do.
:awe:

 

[Nebor]

It ocurrs to me that who support this sort because of group coverage HI costs might want to think abut the ramifications to potential employees with a pre-existing medical condition.

Are you OK with companies denying employment to that crowd?

Fern

I'm ok with companies denying employment to anyone for any reason.

 

[bozack]

Zebo's argument wasn't about that though, he said that the smokers he has hired put in an hour less work a day then the non-smokers due to their smoke breaks yet they both expect to be paid for the same hours. He isn't bitching about what they do at home he is bitching about what they do at work. As the employer he is well within his right to do so and it isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as the intrusive bullshit you posted.

If Zebo was nearly as adept at both hiring and management skillz as he suggests then those who work for him would understand the terms of their agreement and everyone would be more or less on the same plane with regards to "break time" and he wouldn't be in the hole an hour less for his people that decide to smoke, there is no rule which says smokers must get a hour more of break time a day, but rather than keep people in check he would rather whine about it here.

Also don't know about you guys but here hourly workers and contractors have to take their breaks, period....so bragging about drinking a soda saved in your desk drawer and the peeing in the bottle to save the company some time gives me a nice chuckle, if your company really cares about that over your getting your own personal space for a break then I would suggest looking for a new place to work.

I guess I have a horse in this race as I am a smoker, I only smoke at work, and I smoke about four or five cigarettes at most in a day depending on how stressful it is....and with the way things have been going at work it has been rather stressful.

I’ll be pretty candid in saying that compared to my former non smoking counterparts at other companies I worked I take far fewer breaks (especially when compared to some monster lunches ), on average have worked as long if not longer than many as I will do a lot of off hours work whereas my non smoking healthier co workers are either partying it up or at the gym, and completed more projects on time and with fewer issues….

Everything is situational...you can delude yourself into thinking your the worlds best screener and think you hire only top talent to one day get duped by someone on the other end, or you could be a realist about it and understand that everyone has their vices and just learn to manage them if needed

 

[coreyb]

self righteous anti-smokers LOL
some of the greatest minds/people of the last century smoked. deal with it