Slowly and Gradually Building New PC.

[Ray_Rogers2019]

Nope.





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[zi0n.]

Start off by returning the Motherboard(dead socket) and saving the money to buy everything together, I don't recommend buying part by part as things can change in a matter of months.

With that being said, I would much rather get h67+SB(2500) since you don't plan on OC'ing. You pretty much are fine with 450-550w for the PSU AND you certainly don't need such fancy ram or 8 GBS a G.SKILL kit will do. With all the savings you can could probably grab an SSD and keep the Samsung F3.

Answering this thread would help too

 

[Ray_Rogers2019]

Nope.

 

[mfenn]

I agree in principle with zi0n., there is absolutely no reason to be spending that much money on an AMD build at this point. A Sandy Bridge system will about the same and be much faster.

Let's go through your build component by component:
- Case: fine
- Mobo/CPU: See above. Get the i5 2500K + GA-P67A-UD3 combo for $335 (cheaper than the i5 2500 with combo discount)
- PSU: Waaay overkill for a non-overclocking single-GPU system. Get the Neo Eco 520C instead.
- RAM: This G.Skill DDR3 1333 is $70 and lower voltage.
- GPU: Use your current one if possible, otherwise we will need to revisit the mobo. Discussing "eventual" GPUs is silly because the market changes so quickly. That being said, your 6950 1GB choice is not so hot considering that you can get an unlockable 2GB version for $10 more.
- HDD: Get the F3
- BD-R: This LG is cheaper and still comes with the media

Finally, ruling out an SSD is silly, especially given the workload that you've defined. Even a $125 60GB Corsair Force for OS and apps will make a world of difference.

 

[Ray_Rogers2019]

I agree in principle with zi0n., there is absolutely no reason to be spending that much money on an AMD build at this point. A Sandy Bridge system will about the same and be much faster.

Let's go through your build component by component:
- Case: fine
- Mobo/CPU: See above. Get the i5 2500K + GA-P67A-UD3 combo for $335 (cheaper than the i5 2500 with combo discount)
- PSU: Waaay overkill for a non-overclocking single-GPU system. Get the Neo Eco 520C instead.
- RAM: This G.Skill DDR3 1333 is $70 and lower voltage.
- GPU: Use your current one if possible, otherwise we will need to revisit the mobo. Discussing "eventual" GPUs is silly because the market changes so quickly. That being said, your 6950 1GB choice is not so hot considering that you can get an unlockable 2GB version for $10 more.
- HDD: Get the F3
- BD-R: This LG is cheaper and still comes with the media

Finally, ruling out an SSD is silly, especially given the workload that you've defined. Even a $125 60GB Corsair Force 120 for OS and apps will make a world of difference.

I'm extremely anti-LG and since you used the term apps instead of applications, I'll take your suggestions with a grain of salt.:thumbsdown:

 

[BD231]

Yeah pass on the AMD, it's well worth it.

 

[BoomerD]

Since no one has mentioned it yet...save your money instead of buying parts piecemeal. You could easily end up with a DOA part and not have the opportunity to RMA it back to the seller before you get the entire thing bought and assembled.

MUCH better to just put the money aside and buy all at once.

 

[aphelion02]

I'm extremely anti-LG and since you used the term apps instead of applications, I'll take your suggestions with a grain of salt.:thumbsdown:

Figure things out yourself then, no one is obligated to help you. He gave you a great build at your budget and all you can think off is stupid brand-related reasons why you won't follow them. If you are so certain of your build don't waste people's time.

 

[zi0n.]

I'm not an Intel fanboy thanks. Dead socket? Do go on since I already received the motherboard as a birthday present and zero chance for returns.
Part-by-part would just mean the same parts would be lower priced by the time I buy them. Thankfully you didn't make a snide comment about the Blu-ray disc burner.
Please stick with the A/B decisions since I'm still attempting to choose between the two. Everything else is absolutely final with no suggestions welcome.

It's not about being a fanboy or whatever you want to call it, it's about whats better for the money right now. Here's your suggested CPU vs a 2500k, http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288. All your A/B decisions are not even worth it. You're just spending money where you don't need it. I'll laugh with your 1k+ build with no SSD and a dead socket.

 

[Rvenger]

I'm not an Intel fanboy thanks. Dead socket? Do go on since I already received the motherboard as a birthday present and zero chance for returns.
Part-by-part would just mean the same parts would be lower priced by the time I buy them. Thankfully you didn't make a snide comment about the Blu-ray disc burner.
Please stick with the A/B decisions since I'm still attempting to choose between the two. Everything else is absolutely final with no suggestions welcome.

I find this interesting...I guess that would mean that you are an AMD Fanboy??

I will admit that I was an AMD Fanboy up until Sandybridge. I wouldn't trade my 2500k for anything right now (Unless it was a free trade up to a 2600k ) I have learned now that I will go with who ever has the best price/performance ratio and right now that is Intel.


If you can't return your stuff, put it up for sale and save for something that will be worth it and future proof.

 

[dma0991]

<rant>
What other posters have said is true. SB does have a very good price/performance compared to current AMD offerings. There is no need to be rude to them as they have their opinion and took the trouble to actually think of other alternatives. Maybe in the next 2 months you could see AMD being at the top but as of now, SB is still at the top. PS : Not an Intel fanboy.
</rant>

Since you have that motherboard as a present and there is no possibility of returning it I suggest that you go for cheaper AMD processor like the Phenom II X4 955 while waiting for the release of Bulldozer in the next 2 months. Your motherboard does support Bulldozer with a BIOS update.

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

When Bulldozer comes out you can swap out that processor for a Bulldozer and most probably have better performance than SB.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Finally, ruling out an SSD is silly, especially given the workload that you've defined. Even a $125 60GB Corsair Force 120 for OS and apps will make a world of difference.

Isn't the Force F120 120GB, and the F60 60GB?

 

[Rvenger]

<rant>
What other posters have said is true. SB does have a very good price/performance compared to current AMD offerings. There is no need to be rude to them as they have their opinion and took the trouble to actually think of other alternatives. Maybe in the next 2 months you could see AMD being at the top but as of now, SB is still at the top. PS : Not an Intel fanboy.
</rant>

Since you have that motherboard as a present and there is no possibility of returning it I suggest that you go for cheaper AMD processor like the Phenom II X4 955 while waiting for the release of Bulldozer in the next 2 months. Your motherboard does support Bulldozer with a BIOS update.

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

When Bulldozer comes out you can swap out that processor for a Bulldozer and most probably have better performance than SB.

I would just get a Sempron 140 and unlock it. No sense in spending $100+ on a CPU if you are going to get a Bulldozer.

 

[BoomerD]

Gotta love posters who come on asking for advice...then proceed to insult those who reply with good, solid recommendations.

Die-hard fanbois should just find a brand-specific forum and hang out there...

 

[dma0991]

I would just get a Sempron 140 and unlock it. No sense in spending $100+ on a CPU if you are going to get a Bulldozer.

Well that is just an example of what OP should get. Preferably if OP does not get anything and wait 2 more months or get the cheapest processor possible as it is only a temporary CPU to keep the seat warm for Bulldozer. :twisted:

 

[Rvenger]

Well that is just an example of what OP should get. Preferably if OP does not get anything and wait 2 more months or get the cheapest processor possible as it is only a temporary CPU to keep the seat warm for Bulldozer. :twisted:

I thought the Bulldozer compatible sockets were black??

 

[mnewsham]

OP, get over yourself you are building an overpriced machine with a dead socket, either sell the motherboard (NOT A BIG EXPENSE) and buy socket 1155 or be stuck with nothing to upgrade to and wasting our time and your money. At $1k+ total budget you should have no problem affording Sandy bridge and a solid state drive, ESPECIALLY since you are already buying the GPU at a later date!

 

[dma0991]

I thought the Bulldozer compatible sockets were black??

The AM3+ sockets are black but according to the link I posted above it should be a white AM3 socket motherboard with BIOS update to support Bulldozer. The BIOS update should be made by the user who already owns an AM3 board. The current boards with AM3 sockets will be refreshed with AM3+ sockets and factory preinstalled latest BIOS to support Bulldozer.

 

[Topweasel]

I am with everyone here. I love AMD but its not a great time to invest heavily in a Deneb or Thuban setup. If you are going to buy piecemeal (which depending on spending habits can be a better solution) get CPU last and then in a month or so decide if you want to use that Mobo for BD or get a true BD board.

But don't invest that money into a Phenom II system that you want to use long term. You would be shorting yourself.

 

[mvbighead]

I'd say everyone here is trying to steer you in the right direction. And, the suggestion about bulldozer is a very valid one. If you were to buy the following:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-926-_-Product

Then wait for BD to be released, you should be able to get a good 30-40 back out of the above CPU, so that you have something to use until BD is released. Better than a sempron, and still pretty cheap.

 

[Ray_Rogers2019]

To everyone, this is my current computer per Piriform Speccy. I want to leave my current P.O.S. in the dust with the one I'm currently building. I don'r plan on using anything from the one below, except enclosure to move data to fresh install.

Sorry, not a "fanboi" and last product I bought from LG crapped out on me. Only problem I consider with new build is whether or not I'll be astounded by how fast it is. So yes to 8GB RAM because of proper encoding of HD media. Meaning leaving in the film grain.
Fuck my current computer and pre-built shit. I've procrastinated long enough and yes I even plan on having 16-32GB RAM. Then I'll upgrade which is for the currently building PC. Anyone care to link me to this supposed "dead socket" for the 890GX? I already flipped/pushed the switches for overdrive or whichever they call it.
So no overclocking in the immediate future. No liquid cooling. No Blue LED "Ricer" crap. No G*Skill. What else should I post for it? Games I own and the ones I'm planning on purchasing/etcetera? I believe that'd help most of all.
Since the 6950 2GB can be converted to 6970, I take it after I do that when computer is completely put together, time to buy a new monitor. That'll be another hassle, not really.

I figure all the new products being released will be expensive at first then price lowering. Or hold off on deals for the items already selected. What I'm planning to do with current computer after all data is ported over to the new one, completely erase the HDD, sell the 8400GS since the motherboard has an integrated GPU, re-install Windows 7 on it and put it in the living room. Not my problem anymore.
One other thing I don't need the most immediate latest and greatest which'll be far down the line. Next post if enough requests I'll make an extensive list of video games I own along with the monitor I'm planning on purchasing.
Thanks everyone and sorry for the delay along with crass responses.

EDIT: I would consider purchasing a SSD if they were cheaper and not overpriced. Say they become more affordable down the line. Can I purchase one later and then use it for my Operating System and certain applications? Would be for Nero 10/Beyond, Alchohol 120&#37;, Photoshop, Blender, etc. One last thing, I have a feeling I should post a complete list of the programs I have at the ready for the new PC. Only problem with burnable Blu-ray discs is attempting to find a spindle for a reasonable price online. One of those places is GenesysDTP which I've used in the past. Taiyo Yuden or other similar quality.

 

[mnewsham]

Your current motherboard is socket AM3, AM3+ is what bulldozer will be, there will be NO NEW CPU's released for your motherboard, NONE!!!! That is why AM3 is a "dead" socket. Not to mention the current 1155 motherboard from intel kicks AMD's ass quite handily (for not much more) And sorry to be the one to tell you mate, but more cores does NOT mean more power and better performance. Step back and stop making excuses, G.Skill makes some of the best damn RAM on the market, LG is a reliable company, and no one is suggesting "Ricer crap".


SSD's are not over priced, they are not making a HUGE profit off of them (they do need to make SOME money though) If you haven't used one don't say you don't need one. You only really need a 60-120GB to load the OS and the main applications you use.

Also the IGP (integrated graphics processor) on the Sandy bridge CPU's is the most advanced and best IGP to date and is about equal to mid-range discreet graphics cards. You say you are no "fanboi" well then why no Intel? It is the ONLY option (besides waiting for BD) that makes sense.

 

[Rvenger]

Your current motherboard is socket AM3, AM3+ is what bulldozer will be, there will be NO NEW CPU's released for your motherboard, NONE!!!! That is why AM3 is a "dead" socket. Not to mention the current 1155 motherboard from intel kicks AMD's ass quite handily (for not much more) An sorry to be the one to tell you mate, but more cores does NOT mean more power and better performance. Step back and stop making excuses, G.Skill makes some of the best damn RAM on the market, LG is a reliable company, and no one is suggesting "Ricer crap".


SSD's are not over priced, they are not making a HUGE profit off of them (they do need to make SOME money though) If you haven't used one don't say you don't need one. You only really need a 60-120GB to load the OS and the main applications you use.

Also the IGP (integrated graphics processor) on the Sandy bridge CPU's is the most advanced and best IGP to date and is about equal to mid-range discreet graphics cards. You say you are no "fanboi" well then why no Intel? It is the ONLY option (besides waiting for BD) that makes sense.

Well Said. ^^

 

[mfenn]

Isn't the Force F120 120GB, and the F60 60GB?

You are absolutely correct. I am just so used to typing Force 120 that I had a brain fart. At least I linked to the right part!

 

[mfenn]

I'm not an Intel fanboy thanks. Dead socket? Do go on since I already received the motherboard as a birthday present and zero chance for returns.
Part-by-part would just mean the same parts would be lower priced by the time I buy them. Thankfully you didn't make a snide comment about the Blu-ray disc burner.
Please stick with the A/B decisions since I'm still attempting to choose between the two. Everything else is absolutely final with no suggestions welcome.

Dude really? How is "the LG is cheaper" (true statement) a snide remark? You need to get off your high horse and listen to reason.

EDIT: I see everyone else in this thread has taken you to school while I was away. Now it's up to you whether or not you will listen.

EDIT2: Here's a great quote from another thread that sums up my thoughts exactly.

OK, so listen man. This isn't our first rodeo. We know what we are talking about. So when you BS we know instantly you don't know what you're talking about. If you want to spend your money, spend your money. BSing isn't going to get us to think your build is "the shit" or "da bomb". While I know our approval for your build isn't necessary, you came in here asking us what we thought. You are likely disappointed, I know, but it's cold hard benchmarks that prove your words wrong. So the best thing you can do is listen to our advice, take it to heart and make a decision. We are here to help, but do not be that guy who comes in here asking for what he doesn't want to hear. The simple fact is, in this forum we like to trim the fat and get you the best machine possible for your money. We are telling you now (in brutal honesty) that there are parts of your build that are out of balance, and a waste of money. You can take that in, and get a better system out of this, or you can be stubborn and stick with the somewhat poor design.