Sister was told her shirt was too revealing at work

[Fingolfin269]

It's a freaking BRA. That means her stuff was covered. Where's the problem? He just saw past a layer of clothing and saw another layer of clothing. OooOoooo.

 

[waggy]

I'm not sure if its just none of you have worked high management or are just stupid.

IF she seen him looking down her shirt she could file a sexual harassment lawsuit and not only destroy the guy but the company. heck even if she thought he looked down her shirt she could.

What the guy did was the right thing to do in a business environment. I agree its overkill but this is how the work environment is now. guys have to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits. In today's climate women don't need any proof. just the threat of a lawsuit is enough to damage a guys career and get her some money.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: DWW
My sister works at an office job. She wears business-like attire for women. Well today she got a memo and complaint filed against her that her shirt was too revealing. It wasn't a plunging v-neck or anything. It just looks like a wider neck shirt but by no means you see any skin when she is standing upright. My sister had to bend over and put something on guy's desk and he filed a complaint that he could see her bra when he looked into it. Well DUH. Unless a woman is wearing a burqa or a turtleneck (sp?) of course you can see her bra if she bends over.

WTF? Who (especially a guy) would complain about that anyways... god people have nothing else better to do. Now she is all upset about it.

I would. That kind of clothing simply isn't appropriate for work. There are plenty of tops out there that are not revealing even if you bend over.

Wait, bend over to put something on someone else's desk?? Nobody bends over to simply put something on a guy's desk. Reach down, sure. But bend over? What, does this guy use the floor for his desk?

SHUT UP NIK. All you do is bitch. You are just disagreeing to be contrary. From the picture the guy posted it is obvious that her clothing wasn't out of line. I guess my 5th grade teacher was coming on to me, because I remember she bent over my desk to look at a paper one day and I saw her bra completely. OMG SEXUAL HARASSMENT OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you suggesting that if a woman wore a 'normal' shirt, and I saw her cleavage (assume similar situation to the OP), and she noticed that I looked, she COULDN'T claim SH against me?

I didn't say anything about what she could or couldn't claim. Learn to read and you will see that.

No, you BSed around the topic by show how 'rediculous' it is that he filed a report and how that could have applied to your 5th grade teacher. I countered with how REAL it is, that she could have filed one against him, and he could be protecting himself. To suggest that he may have been protecting himself and following that with reasonable thought isn't being contrary, it's being logical.

I also asked a question, I didn't say you had a opinion, thats why it's a question, I don't know what you think. Read what I wrote before, you throw the book of reading comprehension at me, because you missed the point of my post.

You also didn't answer, so in my scenario, could she claim SH against me?

I don't work at your company. Furthermore, where is the proof that she saw him look? You are creating a what-if situation that isn't applicable to what actually happened to the OP's sister. We could throw out what-ifs all night.

Fair enough on the what-ifs, but there is only 1/2 the story here. My point is he may not be A. gay, B. a moron for filing like most are saying. There could be very good reasons he took the action he did...

Shit, if this was the company I work in, I could get rich off of SH quits. A lot of females would meet this 'standard'. Thank god this guy doesn't work where I do.

 

[Brutuskend]

According to this she KNEW what she was doing!!

 

[Rookie]

:camera:

can't hurt to join the crowd, right?

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

ahhh i woman I worked with last year had transparent bra (it was vinyl) that she liked to wear under certain tops.

 

[Fritzo]

That guy needs to have this as his Windows Startup sound:

What are you...

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

acouple more views of this thread and we'll reach the year 2004:roll:

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: whoiswes
if he saw her bra, he was looking somewhere he shouldn't have, regardless of how her shirt was cut.

given that, i would do what has been suggested countless times - file a sexual harassment complaint with HR. if this guy is going to be an asshole, then she has every right to be a feminazi back.

oh yeah - start looking for a new job, too...this is only going to get worse.

You are saying the guy can't look in front of his desk when a woman is in front of it putting something down? Why should he look away at his own desk? She is the one who came over and gave him a free show, he didn't go into the womens restroom to spy on her.
That's exactly why the guy was perfectly right to do what he did. Protect himself from the feminazis. Women can't walk around dressing revealingly, and expect the guy not to look, especially at his own desk, and then risk to have an SH complaint filed against him. He was right to put a stop to it before it got out of control.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I would. That kind of clothing simply isn't appropriate for work. There are plenty of tops out there that are not revealing even if you bend over.

Wait, bend over to put something on someone else's desk?? Nobody bends over to simply put something on a guy's desk. Reach down, sure. But bend over? What, does this guy use the floor for his desk?

So turtlenecks all year round, right?

EVERY shirt that has some sort of a neck on it can be revealing if you look at it from a certain angle and hard enough. That is what this "guy" had to do.

The guy is in the wrong for looking. The girl is in the wrong for not thinking ahead and protecting her innocence.

Did you look at the shirt in the pic he linked? That's about as "racy" as anything you'll find in a Land's End catalog. If that's what she was wearing, then she didn't do anything wrong. Period. This isn't fscking Afghanistan.

I was just about to edit my post with something along the lines of "but this isn't something that should warrant management intervension. Maybe he just should have said something to her directly instead."

Your advice = teh suck

He should NEVER speak to her directly about this. He MIGHT be able to just bring an HR rep with him and speak to her about it, but even then it's a bad idea. If I were this guy, I would enjoy the scenery. BUT, if I were this guy and I decided to do something about this, then I would talk to HR, and NEVER talk to her directly unless she confronts me about it, at which time I would CONSIDER talking to her with an HR rep (or two) in the room.

 

[mavs55]

your sister must be chubby. why else would a guy complain?

 

[skace]

So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

 

[Ranger X]

That guy who complained is obviously gay or asexual. What guy would complain, my gawd?!?!

I would file a complaint only if the girl is severely obese and tries to wear some tight fitting clothes.
My complaint letter would be titled: The ooze burns my eyes.

 

[Isla]

Cleavage and a killer baked ziti is how I snagged my husband, who I met at work. Then there was the dress with the buttons down the front that came almost completely unbuttoned in front of him. Something must be really wrong with that guy... most guys at work are HOPING the women will wear something even remotely revealing!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

And people wonder why ex-employees go crazy and kill former coworkers the day after they're fired...

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Isla
Cleavage and a killer baked ziti is how I snagged my husband, who I met at work. Then there was the dress with the buttons down the front that came almost completely unbuttoned in front of him. Something must be really wrong with that guy... most guys at work are HOPING the women will wear something even remotely revealing!

I don't think any guys would have a problem with that if they weren't risking an SH suit for looking. In this situation, you are putting your career in a strange woman's hands. She can take it as a compliment, ignore it, or consider it SH. He took it into his own hands and reported it first. It's perfectly rational, IMO, if you consider the litigious, zero tolerance atmosphere around SH.
A single guy may get some from the situation like your husband, but a married guy can only lose. So I can't blame him for not wanting to play. Noone wants to flush years of education and experience down the toilet because some eye candy didn't like the way you looked at her. So in this case, the system is to blame, not the individual who is reacting to that system.

 

[Isla]

I suppose you are right, SuperTool. I just can't imagine being the kind of person who would accuse another of sexual harrassment when there wasn't any. Even when it happened to me (as a teenager) I didn't do anything about it! Except for get fired. There was that 50 year old boss of mine who stuck his tongue down my throat when I was 15 and then fired me the next day. I guess he thought I was going to tell on him. I was in shock and I didn't want my father to kill him and end up in jail. Of course now, if someone were to cross the line beyond friendliness and into intimidation, I'd handle it much differently. Older and wiser!

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

You guys need to fix your laws, they're severely broken.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

You guys need to fix your laws, they're severely broken.

Your telling US?!!

:roll:

 

[tooltime]

memo his own sexuality

 

[raanemaan]

Originally posted by: jjones
The wookies are waiting.

LOL

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

You guys need to fix your laws, they're severely broken.

yeap we sure do.

we have known this for years but nobody has done anything about it besides make money. When you can sue McDonalds because you are fat and get money that should tell you something is not working.

 

[raanemaan]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
I wear shirts with deeper V cuts than that all the time,nobody complains!

:camera:'s for reference purposes only

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
So wait, if a girl bendsover in front of my desk and I accidently catch a glimpse of her bra, I can get fired? That isn't how _I_ remember ethics training at my work place! And I highly doubt that would happen unless there was something else that went along with the scenario.

yes you can. All she has to do is go complain to HR that you were looking down her shirt. BAM sexual harrasment case and you can get fired and sued.

with corparations getting sued for millions they don't mess around anymore. they would rather get rid of you then get sued.

You guys need to fix your laws, they're severely broken.

Your telling US?!!

:roll:

yeah... just making eye contact with someone... and smiling to say "good morning" will get you it seems