That is total BS unless there's some history between these two people and he's trying to cover his ass. I could file complaints on most of the women I work with based on this reasoning. :roll:
JulesMaximus
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OrByte
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well not really I mean, he did admit staring down her blouse, and I imagine her blouse meets work guidelines.... she has a RIGHT to bend over to place papers on a desk...
he does have a right to make it an issue by claiming harassment from her bending over BUT
She can make just as much a fuss about it than him. The problem is, he was caught looking down her blouse..to me the ball is in her court.
I wouldn't let the opportunity pass me by, especially if it caused me grief. If she is feeling upset about it, she should say something.
Well I guess my point is we don't know the whole story. I've known many women in the office who don't think they are dressing out of line and yet EVERYBODY talks about them and the way they dress behind their back.
And if this guy feels there is a hostile or distracting work environment, then by all means HR and the company must abide and honor the report (as they did.)
My point is dude made the first move (fired the first rocket) and now anything she does will be suspect due to concerns over retaliation.
Think about it....HR took it seriously enough to document the problem in writing. He may be a douche, but he is a very smart douche.
HomeBrewerDude
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lol, your sister should start documenting this crap, because that sounds like a load of BS.
sounds like that guy is a real jerk, and the management structure must be of similar ilk to have said anything to your sister.
sounds like that guy is a real jerk, and the management structure must be of similar ilk to have said anything to your sister.
Phoenix86
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That doesn't mean the line of reasoning isn't sound...
I'm kinda torn on this, on one hand she was wearing something revealing, it DID reveal her bra (woohoo, why compain
). OK, look at it this way, want to see what I have on under my pants? I don't think so, so why does it make a different that she is a she, and you got to see a bra instead of a buys underpants (think plumber working on a drain)?On the other hand, if she wasn't wearing anything too revealing and it only exposed her when posed just like this *stikes a pose*... Common sense should prevail.
The people thinking pre-emptive strike are probably correct vs. a switch hitter. After think about it this way. An attractive (?) woman (younger?) exposes herself slightly to you, she's an intern/summer worker/temp.
Is she gold digging? How do you protect yourself if you think she is?
She should have a photo taken of herself wearing the same blouse and she should write a rebuttal to the charge and ask that the letter and photo be placed in her records wherever the complaint was placed, so that anyone who finds the complaint will have her story to read/see as well.
Exactly - they did what the text books say to do. Any complaint must be taken seriously with written notice to the offender. The document trail has been started.
The guy is either hard-core gay (I know a gay man with a fear of boobies) or is pissed because she had a bra on.
Either way, he has too much free fvcking time on his hands.
Either way, he has too much free fvcking time on his hands.
Okay I'm not big into clothes so I don't know what her shirt type is called. I google'd for women and shirt and this is the closest thing I found:
http://www.lambsearfarm.com/kps993.JPG
Picture that (minus the uglay) with a neck that is rounded (instead of a V it is a semi-circle) but that is as far down on the shirt it goes.
http://www.lambsearfarm.com/kps993.JPG
Picture that (minus the uglay) with a neck that is rounded (instead of a V it is a semi-circle) but that is as far down on the shirt it goes.
Gooberlx2
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Two things:
1) Tell her to shrug it off 'cause there's gonna be a$$holes like that no matter what. She should probably just try to avoid him if possible.
2) I should ALSO explain the situation to HR that the guy is full of scheit and why, so that they can take the complaint off her record (if these kinds of thing are kept on a record). Whether or not HR decides to take the issue further and get back to the guy is their perogative.
my $0.02
1) Tell her to shrug it off 'cause there's gonna be a$$holes like that no matter what. She should probably just try to avoid him if possible.
2) I should ALSO explain the situation to HR that the guy is full of scheit and why, so that they can take the complaint off her record (if these kinds of thing are kept on a record). Whether or not HR decides to take the issue further and get back to the guy is their perogative.
my $0.02
If that's the case, I stand by my assessment that the guy's a total idiot. That isn't even remotely revealing.
She should NOT under any circumstances just shrug it off. It can affect her career. She should definitely have her picture and a letter on what happened and how it makes her feel to have been charged (and oggled) with such an offensive "crime".
I would. That kind of clothing simply isn't appropriate for work. There are plenty of tops out there that are not revealing even if you bend over.
Wait, bend over to put something on someone else's desk?? Nobody bends over to simply put something on a guy's desk. Reach down, sure. But bend over? What, does this guy use the floor for his desk?
What the hell are you talking about? She received a complaint - that doesn't obligate her to rebute the claim or otherwise say anything against it.
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