Single Payer Health Care NOW! Pass Teddy-Care.

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nobodyknows

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The Dems fault is not putting forward a well thought out plan. Without any understanding of the subject they tried to revamp the thing that most people value highly, their health care.

Hell, I gave the Reps no end of shit during the Bush administration so I'm not a get behind them and push guy. From my POV it looks like the Dems had their own clown car and couldn't trip over each other fast enough getting out.

As far as having a dog in the fight in the sense that I am a provider, yeah but guess what? I'm still going to get paid.

What I don't want some nitwit with the same grasp of Iraq, making decisions about health care and screwing things even more than what we have to deal with now.

Screw the pubs. Make a health care package about health care that passes close scrutiny.

THEN if the Dems have something I won't have to hold my nose to read I'll give the Reps all kinds of crap like I did before. Guess what? So will a LOT of independents, too many for the Reps to face down.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The only thing the health care/service industry (that would include you) gives a shit about is staying on top of the food chain in terms of their own personal income and perks. Your idea of "doing things right" is guided by your idea that you am "still going to get paid". You only want to make sure your income doesn't suffer but if we are going to have any meanigful health care changes it's going to have to.

After 30+ years of double digit increases in the industry if has to. That is what is causing this crisis in the first place but your too stubborn to see that.
 

nobodyknows

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Splitting hairs; both parties are full of yes-men. There is very limited dissent in either one.

I call into question the leadership of the Dems at this point. They were carried to victory in thje last election by people's desire to see change/reform in the health care industry. Costs are totally out of control. What was the first thing to come down the pipeline after Obama was sworn in? Guns. What a dumb ass move!!!
 

MotF Bane

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I call into question the leadership of the Dems at this point. They were carried to victory in thje last election by people's desire to see change/reform in the health care industry. Costs are totally out of control. What was the first thing to come down the pipeline after Obama was sworn in? Guns. What a dumb ass move!!!

Uhhhh, source? I'd say it was the economy that carried Obama in.
 

Craig234

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If it was a choice between Obama and Bush you might have an argument. But it wasn't and IMO you're wrong.

I think both healthcare and the economy were boosts for Obama. MY impression at the time was that Obama, who had been a little behind in the polls, was given the edge by the ecomomic crash.

The public blamed it on the Republican party, not just Bush.

Not that long befor eMcCain had been saying the ecoonomy was strong IIRC.
 

MotF Bane

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Dec 22, 2006
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If it was a choice between Obama and Bush you might have an argument. But it wasn't and IMO you're wrong.

With the Democrats pushing hard to compare McCain to Bush as much as possible (McSame, Republicans, voting records, et cetera), they tried and largely succeeded in making it Obama vs Bush II... and then it became the economy. Economic recession is vastly more important to everyone, especially to the majority of citizens who are happy with their healthcare, so no, it wasn't HC that got Obama elected.
 

bfdd

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People actually liked Ted Kennedy? That blows my mind. How anyone could like and/or respect that man is beyond me.
 

Red Dawn

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People actually liked Ted Kennedy? That blows my mind. How anyone could like and/or respect that man is beyond me.
He did a lot for the state of MA and it's citizens.I never realized it until after he died with all the outpouring of grief and love for the man. A lot of stories about him helping individuals down on their luck.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The only thing the health care/service industry (that would include you) gives a shit about is staying on top of the food chain in terms of their own personal income and perks. Your idea of "doing things right" is guided by your idea that you am "still going to get paid". You only want to make sure your income doesn't suffer but if we are going to have any meanigful health care changes it's going to have to.

After 30+ years of double digit increases in the industry if has to. That is what is causing this crisis in the first place but your too stubborn to see that.


I'll tell you what. Save money and treat yourself. Problem solved. After all, the only reason that people go into health care is to take your money.

So Swami, how do you know what everyone feels? Magic 8 Ball? Shit son, you don't even know the first thing about the topic, but you never having done the job know more than anyone who has.

Psst, I'm still going to get paid. Doesn't that burn your balls?

I mean it's cool being an expert in your field and all, but village idiot isn't a category for Nobels.
 

EagleKeeper

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Your propaganda teacher must have loved you.

The Republicans are more 'single-minded'. That's why the filibuster in the hands of 40 unprincipled Republicans is a veto for the smallest miniroty in ages to veto everything the majority wants, while the Repubicans got every single major goal passed when the Democrats had more than 40 and even at times a majority, with various Dems strayig over to vote for them.

A single-minded group agreeing to vote 'no' to anything ismore single-minded than a group of 60 who have wildly diverging views and can barely agree on a bill, ahancing it enormously to get any agreement.

But you are good at grabbing one little fact and then using it as a false basis to prove a larger false claim.
Hence your propaganda praise.
"unprincipled "
That is based on your viewpoint (AGAIN)

The fact that they stand together against a common foe and refuse to break ranks indicates that they are more principaled that their opponents. They belive in what they stand for.

The Dems have shown that they can not come to an agreement without bribery. What does that indicate for principles.
What do they stand for - GREED first.
 

Sinsear

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He did a lot for the state of MA and it's citizens.


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Yeah....great guy.
 

bfdd

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Yeah like I said... people really fucking like and/or respect Ted Kennedy? He was a douche bag and deserved the worst.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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So you find a young woman drowned by the actions of a drunken philanderer funny?

Absolutely not!

My derisive laughter was not for Mary Jo or her family , it is directed at the exposed hypocrisy of a false god.

Edit: note that's a small "g" another way to put it would be a false prophet, wait that won't work either.....hmmmm
 

Darwin333

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Funny how your wrong statement sn't even supported by your example with the withddrawal of the rquest for the payout for Nebraska after public outcry

Change "special interests" to "their own interests" and he is spot on, including why he both took the deal and "withdrawal of the request". The VAST majority of those bastards are in it for themselves and themselves only. They only help their party because it helps them.

Hell, you are willing to pass a horrible health care bill that should be against just about everything you stand for. Why? Some long shot hope that you can fix it later or build upon it with the risk that if you don't we are stuck with the pharma/insurance bailout bill? Are you really that willing to sell your soul with only hope that you might be able to purchase it back from the devil at some later date?

I forget who, but I saw a great post here not long ago concerning this issue. Basically saying the Dems should scrap both bills in their entirety and call the Repubs on their bluff. Hold public hearings and get a crapton of experts to testify in front of Congress during the entire process of forming a new bill. Invite the Republicans to each and every meeting and broadcast every last bit of it on C-span.

The public does want health care reform but they don't want this. You guys have made it extremely easy for the Republicans to act as obstructionists with impunity. They simply claim they are blocking a bill that was formed behind closed doors with tons of backroom deals, special exemptions, and a few downright bribes. Put it all out in front of the public as it happens and as it is formed and "death panels" will gain no traction. Plus the added benefit of just maybe getting a semi-decent bill out of Congress that doesn't require special exemptions to people who donated to the political party in power or a billion dollars of taxpayer funded bribery to pass. Maybe we could get a bill that is actually good us America as a whole and not this 2,000+ page craptastic bill that most was almost definitely written by the health insurance/big pharma themselves.

Even you understand that what we have seen over the last year is not how to go about changing a system that is so vital to the citizens of this country. Hell, its not how to go about passing any law in my book and I bet yours too. Unfortunately, the party must come first at times for the greater good, eh? That is where you and I differ. Fuck the parties, fuck the career politicians only out for themselves, fuck the backroom deals and special exemptions for political donors, fuck the parties whose only goal is to remain/gain power by any means necessary.

I am truly disapointed that Obama has abandoned his promise of increased transparency but I think it is still a great opportunity for the Democrats. Show the American people the transparency they were promised and allow them to see the other side included and obstructing. No more 2K page bills released an hour before they are voted upon and all that other nonsense.

I am not alone and we are fed up with the status quo from both of the parties. It is truly sad that the best we can hope for right now is gridlock. Your side had a chance to change that and imo they still do. The question is, will they and will the progressives you support get behind the cause in full force or will they simply continue to participate in the status quo?