Single Payer Health Care NOW! Pass Teddy-Care.

[jonks]

lollerskates:

http://www.google.com/hostedne...GnN9KfzOQRH2AD9AC1POO0

GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care

WASHINGTON ? The Republican national party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans.

A questionnaire accompanying the appeal says the government could check voting registration records, "prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system."

It asks, "Does this possibility concern you?"

Katie Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the question was "inartfully worded."

But she said people should worry because government officials would have access to personal financial and medical data.

"The RNC doesn't try to scare people," said Wright. "We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day."

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these people are so full of fail

It's possible the president could order the military to bomb the south as democrats hate the republican leaning southern states. does that possibility concern you? vote republican.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jonks
lollerskates:

http://www.google.com/hostedne...GnN9KfzOQRH2AD9AC1POO0

GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care

WASHINGTON ? The Republican national party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans.

A questionnaire accompanying the appeal says the government could check voting registration records, "prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system."

It asks, "Does this possibility concern you?"

Katie Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the question was "inartfully worded."

But she said people should worry because government officials would have access to personal financial and medical data.

"The RNC doesn't try to scare people," said Wright. "We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day."

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these people are so full of fail

Jesus christ, they aren't even trying to hide the crazy anymore.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Craig234,
You, no doubt, are much more aware of JFK than I am... I can't really argue any aspect beyond the basics. I don't have every published bit of data on JFK that might point to the truth of his plans for us in Vietnam so I'll happily defer to your analysis. What I did do was to try and see a nexus to 11/22/63 more so than try to define his intended policies across the broad range of issues.. although most were/are probably relevant.

Reading what Hayabusa is saying - and I've just a few scraps of Joe/LBJ interaction - sorta fits with what I surmised. I questioned why McNamara was kept on by LBJ being he was sort of dovish about Vietnam then the turnaround. RFK said of Johnson, which causes me to think anything he ever felt about Johnson was almost hate.. perhaps cuz of Joe.. "How do you tell if Lyndon is lying? If he wiggles his ears, that doesn't mean he's lying. If he raises his eyebrows, that doesn't mean he's lying. But when he moves his lips, he's lying.''

IMO McNamara was kept on for a few reasons. LBJ generally asked JFK aides to stay on - I think he was in over his head and he clearly hadn't planned for the presidency.

McNamara was considered the 'star' of the JFK cabinet - he had given up a rewarding career, having just become the first head of Ford whose name was not Ford.

I don't think he started out dovish on Vietname, that grew over the years, and he finally did resign when he became convinced the war was a mistake.

Again, I don't think McNamara - who didn't know the Kennedys before accepting the Secretary of Defense invitation - had his views of LBJ formed by Joe. He knew LBJ.

Regarding Newman; I FELT that he considered a conspiracy from outside the WH motivated the WH advisers to push when they might have pulled or visa versa for the VN war... that is my feeling. It is just what I took away from the reading... that little 'itch' that don't get scratched. I may never know why or how I reached that... think I read the book 10 or 12 years ago..

I just don't recall havijng that concern.

I wonder if there exists a writing that in some unbiased way takes all the bits of actions and ties them to statements by all the players... then looks to the player written books and ties their explanation to the analysis etc.. I've not found a publication that seems consistent with all of this.

It's not a science, there are subjective views; authors do try to use players' comments and compare them, but on an ad hoc basis, it's not structured as you seem to ask about.

Bobby's statements of mistakes seems self serving.. I sort of think he was trying to paint the picture that he was fully against VN until maybe early '67 or so... then ok with it after that until the Tet in '68... I also gleamed that.. it is the feeling I get.. I can't see any reason for the change (assuming there was). MLK was RFK's biggest supporter, me thinks..
I read an account by Schlesinger of what Jackie said to him regarding Bobby's 'strong' feelings about ending the VN war.... She is reported to have said to him... "You know what is going to happen to Bobby?... The same thing that happened to Jack..."... So... I think Bobby was always against the war... IF I fully accept Jackie's belief that she "knew" Bobby.

You're losing me on that - what does MLK have to do with it, how are you inferring anything about VN from the Jackie statement?

I don't see anything about Bobby saying he was fully against VN until early '67, he said the opposite, that he and JFK make the mistake of continuating aid to VN.

You could say coming out against the war was self-serving , but I think that's baseless cynicism, and doesn't really match the history.

I apologize for continuing to derail this very important thread...

I had the same concern, but we indulged a bit in another important topic. I'm not sure there's a lot more to be said on the OP topic, people have taken positions.

I saw that Sen. Byrd has made the suggestion - the liberals are properly saying not to put his name on a weak healthcare bill.

The right who say that honoring Kennedy is exploiting him are disgusting, in their cheap political rhetoric to try to fight the bill.

It's like when they make gimmicky arguments that bills to oppose racism are really racist and other such nonsense.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: jonks
lollerskates:

http://www.google.com/hostedne...GnN9KfzOQRH2AD9AC1POO0

GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care

WASHINGTON ? The Republican national party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans.

A questionnaire accompanying the appeal says the government could check voting registration records, "prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system."

It asks, "Does this possibility concern you?"

Katie Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the question was "inartfully worded."

But she said people should worry because government officials would have access to personal financial and medical data.

"The RNC doesn't try to scare people," said Wright. "We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day."

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these people are so full of fail

It's possible the president could order the military to bomb the south as democrats hate the republican leaning southern states. does that possibility concern you? vote republican.

...the level of stupidity in that statement blows my mind. I have nothing to add.

 

[SAWYER]

WOW that is some amazing scare tactics

 

[LunarRay]

Craig234 said;
"You're losing me on that - what does MLK have to do with it, how are you inferring anything about VN from the Jackie statement?
I don't see anything about Bobby saying he was fully against VN until early '67, he said the opposite, that he and JFK make the mistake of continuating aid to VN.
You could say coming out against the war was self-serving , but I think that's baseless cynicism, and doesn't really match the history.
LR comment : I apologize for continuing to derail this very important thread...
I had the same concern, but we indulged a bit in another important topic. I'm not sure there's a lot more to be said on the OP topic, people have taken positions.
I saw that Sen. Byrd has made the suggestion - the liberals are properly saying not to put his name on a weak healthcare bill.
The right who say that honoring Kennedy is exploiting him are disgusting, in their cheap political rhetoric to try to fight the bill.
It's like when they make gimmicky arguments that bills to oppose racism are really racist and other such nonsense.

I think the Johnson advisors felt that MLK was a threat to him... I recall MLK was even advised to run against LBJ.. on VN issues and others. Instead MLK started a group.. (four letters I can't recall) (NCAP or like that).. Bobby gained alot of support from being in the same boat as MLK but needed the McCarthy group too and Hubert's if he was going to get the Nov nod... I think he'd have gotten the party nod regardless...
In the context of the Jackie/Schlesinger conversation what I understood was that they were discussing Bobby's overwhelming desire to get out of VN... Why that is important to me... and why it's been in my thinking is Jackie must have felt JFK's demise was to do with his positions on VN and that EO... 11000 I think.. the money one.. He and Bobby were moving to a position to thwart something going on.. Bobby was an extention of JFK... Jackie seems to be better informed than one thinks but spoke little...
As an aside, I also think EMK's bridge episode 'could' have been related back to all of this... No proof.. but possible.
In general I don't disagree with anything you've said.. just some things have crossed my mind as being unanswered or not fully answered so I'm left with forever doubting even though it is baby doubts..
So... end of the day, I can only look at what is... what I think it is... and move back from that... I know it is probably fantasy but in Stone's movie.. that part with the 'Black ops' guy... Purdy probably.. where he goes on about who might have been responsible for JFK's assassination and why... actually makes some sense to me.. but that too is another story.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: jonks
lollerskates:

http://www.google.com/hostedne...GnN9KfzOQRH2AD9AC1POO0

GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care

WASHINGTON ? The Republican national party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans.

A questionnaire accompanying the appeal says the government could check voting registration records, "prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system."

It asks, "Does this possibility concern you?"

Katie Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the question was "inartfully worded."

But she said people should worry because government officials would have access to personal financial and medical data.

"The RNC doesn't try to scare people," said Wright. "We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day."

*******

these people are so full of fail

It's possible the president could order the military to bomb the south as democrats hate the republican leaning southern states. does that possibility concern you? vote republican.

Just wow. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Sinsear]

Oh well...So much for that thought.

 

[nick1985]

hahahahaha

 

[MotF Bane]

For a moment, I thought Harvey was back in P&N.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans are basically going to make this country ungovernable without solving any of its problems, like they are doing in California.

 

[nick1985]

For a moment, I thought Harvey was back in P&N.

Where did Harv go?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Republicans are basically going to make this country ungovernable without solving any of its problems, like they are doing in California.

The Dems are not showing that they are interested in solving the problems.

The Republicans are getting in the way of the Dems from forcing convenient bandaids that have not worked.

 

[CrackRabbit]

The Dems are not showing that they are interested in solving the problems.

The Republicans are getting in the way of the Dems from forcing convenient bandaids that have not worked.

So you mean congress like a boxing match at the Special Olympics.

 

[Red Dawn]

The Dems are not showing that they are interested in solving the problems.

The Republicans are getting in the way of the Dems from forcing convenient bandaids that have not worked.

The Republicans aren't interested in solving problems either, all they care about is preventing Obama and Congress from making any progress no matter whether it's good for the country or not and they are very good at it, much better at obstructionism than the Democrats and they use the fear tactic like Maestro's. The Dems big fault is underestimating them

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

The Republicans aren't interested in solving problems either, all they care about is preventing Obama and Congress from making any progress no matter whether it's good for the country or not and they are very good at it, much better at obstructionism than the Democrats and they use the fear tactic like Maestro's. The Dems big fault is underestimating them

It's the same in any trauma ward, stop the bleeding first, then move on to other issues.

 

[soccerballtux]

The Republicans aren't interested in solving problems either, all they care about is preventing Obama and Congress from making any progress no matter whether it's good for the country or not and they are very good at it, much better at obstructionism than the Democrats and they use the fear tactic like Maestro's. The Dems big fault is underestimating them

considering it's called CONgress I think stopping government is the best thing they could possibly be doing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Republicans aren't interested in solving problems either, all they care about is preventing Obama and Congress from making any progress no matter whether it's good for the country or not and they are very good at it, much better at obstructionism than the Democrats and they use the fear tactic like Maestro's. The Dems big fault is underestimating them

The Dems fault is not putting forward a well thought out plan. Without any understanding of the subject they tried to revamp the thing that most people value highly, their health care.

Hell, I gave the Reps no end of shit during the Bush administration so I'm not a get behind them and push guy. From my POV it looks like the Dems had their own clown car and couldn't trip over each other fast enough getting out.

As far as having a dog in the fight in the sense that I am a provider, yeah but guess what? I'm still going to get paid.

What I don't want some nitwit with the same grasp of Iraq, making decisions about health care and screwing things even more than what we have to deal with now.

Screw the pubs. Make a health care package about health care that passes close scrutiny.

THEN if the Dems have something I won't have to hold my nose to read I'll give the Reps all kinds of crap like I did before. Guess what? So will a LOT of independents, too many for the Reps to face down.

 

[Red Dawn]

It's the same in any trauma ward, stop the bleeding first, then move on to other issues.

The funny thing is, those of you who are talking about stopping the bleeding are the same ones who inflicted the wound in the first place.

 

[Robor]

The Republicans aren't interested in solving problems either, all they care about is preventing Obama and Congress from making any progress no matter whether it's good for the country or not and they are very good at it, much better at obstructionism than the Democrats and they use the fear tactic like Maestro's. The Dems big fault is underestimating them

This. History shows the Dem's don't have any backbone when they are the minority. When it happens again I hope they remember how the Rep's worked with them so we can see all those currently celebrating gridlock flip flop and accuse the D's of obstructionism.

 

[Robor]

The funny thing is, those of you who are talking about stopping the bleeding are the same ones who inflicted the wound in the first place.

I wonder if Bush/Cheney are cutters? :hmm:

 

[Specop 007]

The funny thing is, those of you who are talking about stopping the bleeding are the same ones who inflicted the wound in the first place.

Those entitlement programs are all Democrats. Well, in theory....

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawn
The funny thing is, those of you who are talking about stopping the bleeding are the same ones who inflicted the wound in the first place.
I wonder if Bush/Cheney are cutters?

HaHa.

 

[Atreus21]

Nice.

 

[Red Dawn]

This. History shows the Dem's don't have any backbone when they are the minority. When it happens again I hope they remember how the Rep's worked with them so we can see all those currently celebrating gridlock flip flop and accuse the D's of obstructionism.

The Republicans are more single minded (and in Palin and many of the wingnuts here simple minded) so it's easier for them all to coordinate obstructionism where as the Democrats are all over the idealogical map so it's hard to get all of them to agree on anything