Since when did "Nagger" become a racial epithet?

[Raduque]

I have never even HEARD of the word "Nagger" till this thread.

 

[alkemyst]

what's too bad about it is if anyone is using that word for exactly what it is, calling someone who nags, a nagger, and yet is accused of using it as a racial slur. that's bullshit.

When a ton of 13 year old wannabes use it in every context that the racial slur would be used in, that is the problem.

The whole 'nagger' craze here is just that.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You people from the US crack me up...."bad words"...give me a fucking break.

Even the UN just stated (After the IOC tired to get freedom of speech limitied due to the muhammed cartoons) that freedom of speech thrumps all...even if the message is "hatefull".


So you keep screaming about civil rights (because you want a second penis(read: gun)...but dare speak you mind....oh noes!!!

Freedom of speech..not in the US :thumbsdown:

Ps.

You do not have the right to NOT be offended...grow a pair...NAGGERS!

 

[Lonbjerg]

I have never even HEARD of the word "Nagger" till this thread.

Your ignorance is a sign of...that your ignorant..and?

 

[sdifox]

I have never even HEARD of the word "Nagger" till this thread.

That seems to be the reaction of the American posters here. Meanwhile the internationals know about it and its use. I wonder if it is just a regional diction issue.

 

[WelshBloke]

When I was first in England I happened to say "Fuckin A" (meaning strong assent) in front of my English and Welsh buddies and they fell all over themselves in admiration, just loving it. They'd heard of it, but they'd never heard a real life colonial actually say it.

Yep I dont think I could pull off a "fucking A" with out a lot of s******s.

On the other hand it never sounds right when Americans use wanker or bastard so I think its that generally "borrowed" swear/curse words dont work.

Its why its hard to take an angry Frenchman seriously.

 

[Perknose]

Yep I dont think I could pull off a "fucking A" with out a lot of s******s.

On the other hand it never sounds right when Americans use wanker or bastard so I think its that generally "borrowed" swear/curse words dont work.

Its why its hard to take an angry Frenchman seriously.

They have some seriously long and inventive ones, but I do think you have to be a native to really get in the spirit of the truly gonzo French curses.

 

[Perknose]

That seems to be the reaction of the American posters here. Meanwhile the internationals know about it and its use. I wonder if it is just a regional diction issue.

I'll just leave these two Google searches here:

"Don't be a nag" -- 207,000 results

"Don't be a nagger" -- Less than 1/10th as many results, with most to the first ones referring to the hip, new, "n*gger-referenced" usage.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I'll just leave these two Google searches here:

"Don't be a nag" -- 207,000 results

"Don't be a nagger" -- Less than 1/10th as many results, with most to the first ones referring to the hip, new, "n*gger-referenced" usage.

Appeal to majority (in this case) is a fallacy...

 

[olds]

In the next 50 years, all the metrosexual, PC, sissies will have the letter "N" removed from the alphabet.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'll just leave these two Google searches here:

"Don't be a nag" -- 207,000 results

"Don't be a nagger" -- Less than 1/10th as many results, with most to the first ones referring to the hip, new, "n*gger-referenced" usage.

Thats because you guy pretty much own the internet.

 

[sdifox]

I'll just leave these two Google searches here:

"Don't be a nag" -- 207,000 results

"Don't be a nagger" -- Less than 1/10th as many results, with most to the first ones referring to the hip, new, "n*gger-referenced" usage.

duh, this using "nagger" to sub the other n word is an internet phenomenon. Guess what your search result will be?

 

[Perknose]

I'll just leave these two Google searches here:

"Don't be a nag" -- 207,000 results

"Don't be a nagger" -- Less than 1/10th as many results, with most to the first ones referring to the hip, new, "n*gger-referenced" usage.

Appeal to majority (in this case) is a fallacy...

You want to play that game, smart guy? You're assuming facts not in evidence.

I drew no conclusions, whatsoever. Please improve your reading comprehension before you begin erroneously lecturing others on logical fallacies.

There would only be a logical fallacy of "appealing to the majority" if I had explicitly drawn the conclusion from the more than 10 to 1 prevalence of 'nag' over 'nagger' in that phrase that it proved that 'nag' was the only correct word.

I made no such logical conclusion.

Ergo, you fail . . . hard.

Understand, Mr. Would-Be Logical Fallacy Nag?

In fact, this thread has persuaded me that 'nagger' is a proper English word, albeit one whose use is dwarfed, at least in America, by 'nag.'

 

[Lonbjerg]

In the next 50 years, all the metrosexual, PC, sissies will have the letter "N" removed from the alphabet.

"Political correctness" will be the new slavecollar of mordern time...to much focus on the packinging, not the content.

 

[Perknose]

In the next 50 years, all the metrosexual, PC, sissies will have the letter "N" removed from the alphabet.

Oh shut up, ya big Nancy.

 

[Minerva]

In the next 50 years, all the metrosexual, PC, sissies will have the letter "N" removed from the alphabet.

LOL @ "egro" on census form! (or it will be cesus)

 

[Lonbjerg]

You want to play that game, smart guy? You're assuming facts not in evidence.

I drew no conclusions, whatsoever. Please improve your reading comprehension before you begin erroneously lecturing others on logical fallacies.

There would only be a logical fallacy of "appealing to the majority" if I had explicitly drawn the conclusion from the more than 10 to 1 prevalence of 'nag' over 'nagger' in that phrase that it proved that 'nag' was the only correct word.

I made no such logical conclusion.

Ergo, you fail . . . hard.

Understand, Mr. Would-Be Logical Fallacy Nag?

In fact, this thread has persuaded me that 'nagger' is a proper English word, albeit one whose use is dwarfed, at least in America, by 'nag.'

You harvest as you sow...by just tossing in 2 google links...and leaving your "argumentation" at that...you cannot point the finger at me.


Strike 2...

 

[WelshBloke]

Oh shut up, ya big Nancy.

Apparently thats a derogatory term now.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You people from the US crack me up...."bad words"...give me a fucking break.

Even the UN just stated (After the IOC tired to get freedom of speech limitied due to the muhammed cartoons) that freedom of speech thrumps all...even if the message is "hatefull".


So you keep screaming about civil rights (because you want a second penis(read: gun)...but dare speak you mind....oh noes!!!

Freedom of speech..not in the US :thumbsdown:

Ps.

You do not have the right to NOT be offended...grow a pair...NAGGERS!

Of course people have freedom of speech. But I can't just walk into a restaurant and start screaming the N word at the top of my lungs; they'd ask me to leave. And they'd have a right to; it's a private establishment. A gaming server is similarly a privately owned establishment, albeit one that is operated over the internet. If the owners of the server feel you are breaking their rules, they have the right to tell you to leave or force your removal through bans. Only a complete idiot would make the claim that someone not being able to speak their mind on someone else's private property is impinging on free speech rights.

I'm a server admin on a server that has loose policies regarding swear words (because we're all adults), but strict policies about racism. We would've banned the OP in a heartbeat. The fact is, even if the OP didn't mean it as racism, "nagger" has become synonymous with the N-word following that episode of South Park. We've banned people for the exact same thing, and they always play cute (no, I said nagger...). They only do it to circumvent the rules regarding racism to feel like they're getting away with something. It's incredibly immature and playing with those people almost always becomes an exercise in frustration because they constantly try to push the boundaries of what is acceptable. They can enjoy all the free speech they want, but if they get banned for it, they have only themselves to blame.

 

[WelshBloke]

Of course people have freedom of speech. But I can't just walk into a restaurant and start screaming the N word at the top of my lungs; they'd ask me to leave. And they'd have a right to; it's a private establishment. A gaming server is similarly a privately owned establishment, albeit one that is operated over the internet. If the owners of the server feel you are breaking their rules, they have the right to tell you to leave or force your removal through bans. Only a complete idiot would make the claim that someone not being able to speak their mind on someone else's private property is impinging on free speech rights.

I'm a server admin on a server that has loose policies regarding swear words (because we're all adults), but strict policies about racism. We would've banned the OP in a heartbeat. The fact is, even if the OP didn't mean it as racism, "nagger" has become synonymous with the N-word following that episode of South Park. We've banned people for the exact same thing, and they always play cute (no, I said nagger...). They only do it to circumvent the rules regarding racism to feel like they're getting away with something. It's incredibly immature and playing with those people almost always becomes an exercise in frustration because they constantly try to push the boundaries of what is acceptable. They can enjoy all the free speech they want, but if they get banned for it, they have only themselves to blame.

So why not just ignore them? They will always come up with some lame term or usage that's designed to annoy you but doesn't technically breach any regs.

Stop playing the same game as them. Ban them for being asshats but banning them for using a regular word that sounds a bit like a "bad" word is just daft.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So why not just ignore them? They will always come up with some lame term or usage that's designed to annoy you but doesn't technically breach any regs.

Stop playing the same game as them. Ban them for being asshats but banning them for using a regular word that sounds a bit like a "bad" word is just daft.

Because I help pay for the server and administer it according to the rules that my fellow clan mates have agreed on. Are you seriously making the claim that even though I'm shelling out money to keep a server running, I should let people do whatever they want on it, even if I personally find their behavior reprehensible? It's not public property, it is a server that is operated by people who pay to keep it running and have an expectation about how people are supposed to behave when they play there. If they cannot abide by the rules, they lose out on the privilege of playing at our server.

As I said before, people have a right to do whatever they want (from a speech perspective), but they need to understand that their actions may have consequences. If you want to scream racial epithets in a business, you will probably be forced to leave. If you scream racial epithets in a game server, you may be banned. Bitching about it on the internet afterwards is just silly. Basic common sense would dictate that if you're on a server with strict rules about racism, you would avoid words intended to trigger thoughts of the N-word without being the N-word (such as nagger or niggardly). The OP already admitted that he wouldn't use the word nagger with a black person; why should he employ a different standard for talking with a black person face-to-face then potentially meeting one in a video game server? Is it more acceptable to be misinterpreted as a racist when you can hide behind the anonymity of the internet? Maybe he shouldn't use the term at all; nag is simpler, just as easily understood and doesn't carry any potential racist implications.

 

[WelshBloke]

Because I help pay for the server and administer it according to the rules that my fellow clan mates have agreed on. Are you seriously making the claim that even though I'm shelling out money to keep a server running, I should let people do whatever they want on it, even if I personally find their behavior reprehensible? It's not public property, it is a server that is operated by people who pay to keep it running and have an expectation about how people are supposed to behave when they play there. If they cannot abide by the rules, they lose out on the privilege of playing at our server.

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No I'm saying ban people for being dicks all you want. Banning people for using words that sound a bit like "bad" words makes you look the idiot not them.

 

[Perknose]

Apparently thats a derogatory term now.

Yeah, ya big mincing Nellie, it is.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No I'm saying ban people for being dicks all you want. Banning people for using words that sound a bit like "bad" words makes you look the idiot not them.

Sometimes, as an administrator, you have to nip something in the bud before it becomes a real problem. If one person uses nagger, then someone else says niggardly, pretty soon you're going to have a bunch of people trying to use words that sound similar to racial epithets. Their only reason for doing so is because they know that racial epithets aren't allowed, so they intentionally see how far they can go before they get chastised. As a responsible admin, you nip that in the bud before it escalates so that people will realize that intentionally trying to skirt the server rules is not allowed.

Granted, I wouldn't have banned the OP immediately; a friendly warning is generally all that is needed. But there are a large number of people on the internet who are just looking to instigate situations; trolls who do it "for the lulz." They're a disruptive influence for no reason other than they like to stir up trouble, then sit back and watch the chaos unfold. They're the type who would use the word "nagger," knowing full well that it had associations with the N-word since South Park, then play dumb when they were asked to not use that language. I have very little patience for people whose only interest is causing mischief for destructive purposes. That's how the OP immediately struck me; maybe that's wrong, but that was my impression.

 

[WelshBloke]

Sometimes, as an administrator, you have to nip something in the bud before it becomes a real problem. If one person uses nagger, then someone else says niggardly, pretty soon you're going to have a bunch of people trying to use words that sound similar to racial epithets. Their only reason for doing so is because they know that racial epithets aren't allowed, so they intentionally see how far they can go before they get chastised. As a responsible admin, you nip that in the bud before it escalates so that people will realize that intentionally trying to skirt the server rules is not allowed.

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So? If it becomes annoying ban them for spamming but if you play their game they are just going to keep coming up with new words.