Silly George Lucas

[irishScott]

I don't know who Bill Roper is, but you're right. Thing is, Lucas does have good ideas, but he does ruin everything. He's supremely anti-social (it's been mentioned by tons of people in the biz that he simply doesn't like working with anyone).

It shows in his direction--actors just don't like him. He's a terrible writer. The best decisions he's ever made, were handing off control of Empire and Jedi to someone else, while maintaining creative control. That is the perfect role for him. I mean, look at Star Wars, the movie is actually quite terrible. Empire--and not simply for a sci fi movie--is actually quite amazing. Jedi, despite the teddy bears that people hate, is also quite good in comparison.

He is an amazing idea machine, perhaps the best in the biz. Someone just needs to rest the controls away from him.

Uh, A New Hope was actually pretty damn good. Nice traditional epic plot, decent characters, and above-all fun with enough depth to suck you in and make you believe that Universe actually existed. I'd even put it on par with Jedi, if only because Jedi went back to action-action-action. Well done action, but by comparison to the first two the development was pretty small. Granted what development was done was done extremely well. Empire is definitely the best.

As for the prequels, they were entertaining and, aside from a few moments in Episodes I and III, not much else.

 

[zinfamous]

Uh, A New Hope was actually pretty damn good. Nice traditional epic plot, decent characters, and above-all fun with enough depth to suck you in and make you believe that Universe actually existed. I'd even put it on par with Jedi, if only because Jedi went back to action-action-action. Well done action, but by comparison to the first two the development was pretty small. Granted what development was done was done extremely well. Empire is definitely the best.

As for the prequels, they were entertaining and, aside from a few moments in Episodes I and III, not much else.

it's still a rather poorly made movie, though. dated dialogue, shitty ass acting. The best that it has going for it is classic Hollywood adventure style with a sci-fi twist. Then, you have the technical achievements that changed movie-making as we know it. The creation of the blockbuster--the movie industry whore that has given us Michael Bay. So, whatever anyone must like about it, Star Wars must forever shoulder the burden of releasing the beast that killed taste.

It's a rather stupid movie, honestly. Empire is basically Lawrence of Arabia in comparison.

And believe me, I worshiped this movie for ~1/2 my life. I, uh..woke up, though. hahah.

classic story telling, myth, no doubt, awesome stuff. But like I said, Lucas is a genius of creativity. --horrible at telling a story and directing humans.

 

[zerocool84]

Uh, A New Hope was actually pretty damn good. Nice traditional epic plot, decent characters, and above-all fun with enough depth to suck you in and make you believe that Universe actually existed. I'd even put it on par with Jedi, if only because Jedi went back to action-action-action. Well done action, but by comparison to the first two the development was pretty small. Granted what development was done was done extremely well. Empire is definitely the best.

As for the prequels, they were entertaining and, aside from a few moments in Episodes I and III, not much else.

Empire is the best out of all of them.

A New Hope was good but still the weakest of all 3. George Lucas has only directed one good movie in his life and one other decent movie. Nothing else.

 

[zinfamous]

Empire is the best out of all of them.

A New Hope was good but still the weakest of all 3. George Lucas has only directed one good movie in his life and one other decent movie. Nothing else.

Howard the Duck?

that was one of my all time favorites.





(Oh, you prolly mean American Graffiti)

 

[Malak]

I don't know who Bill Roper is, but you're right.

Bill Roper helped create Diablo, Hellgate: London, and Champions Online. HGL is shut down and Champions is a wastehole. Diablo would have been turn-based if it hadn't been for execs at Blizzard saying hell no.

Like Lucas, he had good concepts that went sour. You can see the good concepts behind any Lucas film, including his first film.

 

[zerocool84]

Howard the Duck?

that was one of my all time favorites.





(Oh, you prolly mean American Graffiti)

Howard was a cool movie but definitely wasn't a good movie.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Lol at this thread turning into a debate about the original trilogy. So does anyone think that the new trilogy has potential? Is it possible that George Lucas learned from his mistakes from the prequels?

 

[zerocool84]

Lol at this thread turning into a debate about the original trilogy. So does anyone think that the new trilogy has potential? Is it possible that George Lucas learned from his mistakes from the prequels?

No of course not. Lucas thinks he's so awesome and good at what he does.

 

[zinfamous]

Howard was a cool movie but definitely wasn't a good movie.

 

[zerocool84]

I think it's kinda like Chris Farley movies, very cool and fun movies that you love but really aren't good movies.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

No of course not. Lucas thinks he's so awesome and good at what he does.

I don't know there's a lot of footage of him displaying dismay at the final result of his creations.

 

[zinfamous]

Bill Roper helped create Diablo, Hellgate: London, and Champions Online. HGL is shut down and Champions is a wastehole. Diablo would have been turn-based if it hadn't been for execs at Blizzard saying hell no.

Like Lucas, he had good concepts that went sour. You can see the good concepts behind any Lucas film, including his first film.

yeah, THX is a rather derivative mish-mash of typical sci-fi tropes, though actually quite well-done, but is still painful to watch, heh.

I think Graffiti is his best flick, easily.

I think the only other movie he directed was Radioland Murders? (before the new trilogies). I believe he was creator/producer of Howard the Duck, actually (I just tossed that in there).

 

[zinfamous]

I think it's kinda like Chris Farley movies, very cool and fun movies that you love but really aren't good movies.

That's EXACTLY the deal with the Star Wars flicks (though I do consider Empire the exception).

 

[zinfamous]

seriously...you guys do know that his true genius was in obtaining exclusive rights to marketing/toy line for the original flick, right? I think some 60% of his wealth came from that initial contract.

No one, no franchise had ever done what Lucas did in terms of marketing--toys and goodies; and now it is the model.

 

[zerocool84]

That's EXACTLY the deal with the Star Wars flicks (though I do consider Empire the exception).

Even though I hate Lucas I still watch all of them when they come on tv cus they're all fun movies to watch.

seriously...you guys do know that his true genius was in obtaining exclusive rights to marketing/toy line for the original flick, right? I think some 60% of his wealth came from that initial contract.

No one, no franchise had ever done what Lucas did in terms of marketing--toys and goodies; and now it is the model.

Oh damn I didn't know that. Very smart of him.

 

[0roo0roo]

to be honest it can't be worse than the prequels.
that is simply not possible.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

to be honest it can't be worse than the prequels.
that is simply not possible.

Oh it's possible.

 

[0roo0roo]

Oh it's possible.

oh no.... i really don't think it is at all...
just watch and be enlightened..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

 

[zerocool84]

oh no.... i really don't think it is at all...

Phantom Menace really is a terrible movie.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

oh no.... i really don't think it is at all...
just watch and be enlightened..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Yes I've seen this. I think he could do worse. Call me a pessimist.

 

[dawp]

well, according to wired, it ain't gonna happen:

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/10/new-star-wars-trilogy/


but it may be Lucasfiilm trying to throw the trail off.

and I had heard years ago the plan was 9 films total.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

seriously...you guys do know that his true genius was in obtaining exclusive rights to marketing/toy line for the original flick, right? I think some 60% of his wealth came from that initial contract.

No one, no franchise had ever done what Lucas did in terms of marketing--toys and goodies; and now it is the model.

he swiped the idea from gene simmons. no, really.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Lol at this thread turning into a debate about the original trilogy. So does anyone think that the new trilogy has potential? Is it possible that George Lucas learned from his mistakes from the prequels?

No, definitely not. The new trilogy, if it happens, will contain the following:

1. Stupid "comic relief" character, ala Jar Jar -- fart and poop jokes will revolve around this character, along with a ridiculous speaking voice.

2. Lame romance with even lamer dialogue -- see Episode 2.

3. One or more long-held truths about Star Wars will be relentlessly and mercilessly murdered -- see midichlorians and the Force.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't know there's a lot of footage of him displaying dismay at the final result of his creations.

I'd like to see that footage because the only dismay he might have had would have related to FX shots not turning out how he wanted. He was probably dismayed that people didn't love Jar Jar as much as he thought they should.

Here is what should be done to Lucas:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

seriously...you guys do know that his true genius was in obtaining exclusive rights to marketing/toy line for the original flick, right? I think some 60% of his wealth came from that initial contract.

No one, no franchise had ever done what Lucas did in terms of marketing--toys and goodies; and now it is the model.

Yes, and I can still remember going to Children's Palace with my mom and dad and seeing a HUGE row lined with nothing but Star Wars toys. They must have stocked at least 1,000 figures.