Sick F*** of the Day!

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The point is that punishment will not change anything no matter how painful. It just becomes a measure of our sickness to demand his torture. Just bite the bullet and let a natural death behind bars cure the sickness.

far more expensive for us taxpayers keeping him alive over that time than killing him outright, no?

No.

Isn't the death penalty cheaper than life in prison? No. It costs a great deal more.
"Elimination of the death penalty [in California] would result in a net savings to the state of at least tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." (Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, 09/9/99)
Total cost of death penalty is 38% greater than total cost of life without parole sentences. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002)
Since its return to New York in 1995, $160 million has been spent. The New York Daily News estimates that before the first execution takes place, $238 million will be spent.
In addition to the funds required to try death penalty cases, the New York Department of Correctional Services spent $1.3 million to construct New York's 12-inmate death row and pays nearly $300,000 per year to guard the unit. (New York Law Journal, April 30, 2002)


2. Because of the extra expense of prosecuting a DP case and the appeals process (which is necessary - see reason #1), it costs taxpayers MUCH more to execute prisoners than to imprison them for life.

Theres many more.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
far more expensive for us taxpayers keeping him alive over that time than killing him outright, no?

No. I don't have time to post a lot of quotes, but here are a couple of links with info you may want to consider:

Costs of the Death Penalty.

Death Penalty/Life Without Parole.

 

[rpanic]

Death penalty is more expensive as it is now, but that is only because it gets dragged out, somehow I thing it could be made a lot cheaper. Murderers that are even caught red handed can drag things for years look at Richard Ramirez he has been sitting there since the mid 80s, should have been fried within a year.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Death penalty is more expensive as it is now, but that is only because it gets dragged out, somehow I thing it could be made a lot cheaper. Murderers that are even caught red handed can drag things for years look at Richard Ramirez he has been sitting there since the mid 80s, should have been fried within a year.

Capital punishment is more expensive because of the costs to perform the minimal constitutional requirements. There's no changing that without changing the constitution.

Considering the many people who are eventually found wrongly convicted, I'm not a fan of lessening the due process.

Disclaimer: Like nearly every country in the world, I oppose capital punishment on moral grounds.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Death penalty is more expensive as it is now, but that is only because it gets dragged out, somehow I thing it could be made a lot cheaper. Murderers that are even caught red handed can drag things for years look at Richard Ramirez he has been sitting there since the mid 80s, should have been fried within a year.

You lack experience and you lack empathy. A few years on death row as an innocent man would give you a whole new appreciation for the slowness and the expense of American law. But for every one who learns that lesson the hard way there are a million like yourself who know nothing. The fact that you are upset with the system is not a critique of the system buy a sigh of your immaturity. You have not learned to live with your emotions without allowing them to go to your head.

 

[rpanic]

You choose to have empathy and I choose not to, just as you are against someone no matter the case to not be served death and I think otherwise. You are right I haven?t experienced sitting on death row like almost all people. I have already acknowledged that its not perfect some innocent people will get screwed since we don?t live in a perfect world.

So do you have a better idea for someone that molests and or murders children, if so I would like to hear your humane solution? Im sure someone can come up with something more PC.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: rpanic
Death penalty is more expensive as it is now, but that is only because it gets dragged out, somehow I thing it could be made a lot cheaper. Murderers that are even caught red handed can drag things for years look at Richard Ramirez he has been sitting there since the mid 80s, should have been fried within a year.

Capital punishment is more expensive because of the costs to perform the minimal constitutional requirements. There's no changing that without changing the constitution.

Considering the many people who are eventually found wrongly convicted, I'm not a fan of lessening the due process.

Disclaimer: Like nearly every country in the world, I oppose capital punishment on moral grounds.

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I agree 100%.

 

[Lemon law]

As someone who became a victim of con person the authorities declined to prosecute, I then developed my own intel and watched the same person victimize countless others.
It took the same con person another three years to finally get dumped on and earn that prosecution they cried out for as my intel finally went beyond heresay to the hard documents that resulted in a conviction for student loan fraud.

I learned one damn lesson, punishment may be futile, but getting the perp off the street and shut down fast is always job one. And in my case, if I were a vengeful person, I ended up far more angry at the people in authority who looked the other way.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: rpanic
You choose to have empathy and I choose not to, just as you are against someone no matter the case to not be served death and I think otherwise. You are right I haven?t experienced sitting on death row like almost all people. I have already acknowledged that its not perfect some innocent people will get screwed since we don?t live in a perfect world.

So do you have a better idea for someone that molests and or murders children, if so I would like to hear your humane solution? Im sure someone can come up with something more PC.

If truly found guilty...life without parole. Death penalty? Easy way out. 50 years in prison as a molester? As bad as it could get for him/her.

 

[iamwiz82]

He attempted suicide today

 

[Moonbeam]

His self hate was great enough that he is willing to kill himself to avoid feeling his pain. Can you guess why he never turned himself in for help? And how did he learn such self hate in a society so eager to help him?

We are all completely chained to the dance of the sick until we learn to love, because all the forms self hate can take will appear in a society of individuals who hate themselves. What is is a mirror of how we are.

 

[teclis1023]

Heck, I wish he would have succeeded. It would save the government a lot of money and time, and he'd be out of our lives.

Edit! With people like this, I don't really care about punishing them, I just want them out of this world. It saves us money and headache.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Heck, I wish he would have succeeded. It would save the government a lot of money and time, and he'd be out of our lives.

Edit! With people like this, I don't really care about punishing them, I just want them out of this world. It saves us money and headache.

RTo state the obious, I find your views morally bankrupt and evil, and place you below the pedophile - who did not choose his defect of pedophilia, as I understand - morally.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Heck, I wish he would have succeeded. It would save the government a lot of money and time, and he'd be out of our lives.

Edit! With people like this, I don't really care about punishing them, I just want them out of this world. It saves us money and headache.

I feel the same about you. There will be more parking space.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: Craig234
RTo state the obious, I find your views morally bankrupt and evil, and place you below the pedophile - who did not choose his defect of pedophilia, as I understand - morally.

I feel the same about you. There will be more parking space.

LOL, right. I'm MUCH worse than a rapist. This guy has a history of raping people. Not only that, he rapes young girls. In fact, he ACTIVELY seeks it. He gets caught and tries to kill himself. I wish he succeeded, because it would have been HIM imposing death on himself, AND it would have saved the U.S. thousands and thousands of dollars and time.

I never claimed that he CHOSE pedophilia, but he certainly CHOSE to rape people. You've never met me, yet you think you know ANYTHING about me? Get over yourself and start living in the real world. You're a moron if you think you know the first thing about me. If you love this guy so much, why don't you contribute to his defense fund.

Pedophilia has an overwhelming rate of re-occurence, as do sexually-based crimes. We can infer from his history that EVEN if he spent 20 years in jail and was released, statistically he would attempt something like this again.

 

[rpanic]

I will ship some rope to him maybe he will have better luck next time.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: teclis1023

Originally posted by: Craig234
RTo state the obious, I find your views morally bankrupt and evil, and place you below the pedophile - who did not choose his defect of pedophilia, as I understand - morally.

I feel the same about you. There will be more parking space.

LOL, right. I'm MUCH worse than a rapist. This guy has a history of raping people. Not only that, he rapes young girls. In fact, he ACTIVELY seeks it. He gets caught and tries to kill himself. I wish he succeeded, because it would have been HIM imposing death on himself, AND it would have saved the U.S. thousands and thousands of dollars and time.

I never claimed that he CHOSE pedophilia, but he certainly CHOSE to rape people. You've never met me, yet you think you know ANYTHING about me? Get over yourself and start living in the real world. You're a moron if you think you know the first thing about me. If you love this guy so much, why don't you contribute to his defense fund.

Pedophilia has an overwhelming rate of re-occurence, as do sexually-based crimes. We can infer from his history that EVEN if he spent 20 years in jail and was released, statistically he would attempt something like this again.

I make no value judgments or try to determine who is worse than who. The fact that you might park in a spot that would otherwise be open to me is reason enough to wish you dead. You established this principle as valid yourself, the issue being money and headache as reason to off this dude.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I make no value judgments or try to determine who is worse than who. The fact that you might park in a spot that would otherwise be open to me is reason enough to wish you dead. You established this principle as valid yourself, the issue being money and headache as reason to off this dude.

When did I mention offing him? He tried it himself, I just wished him success.

I don't wish people dead because of money and headache, but I certainly don't wish them life if they've raped 5 year old girls. I just find it to be easier if he kills himself, which he seems to want to do, instead of us doing it for him.

It's like someone towing themselves to the impound after parking in a handicapped spot - it saves us time and money if they do it themselves.

That being said, I think you should re-examine yourself if you'd kill someone for a parkingspace, though I can only assume you're being super sarcastic.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: teclis1023

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I make no value judgments or try to determine who is worse than who. The fact that you might park in a spot that would otherwise be open to me is reason enough to wish you dead. You established this principle as valid yourself, the issue being money and headache as reason to off this dude.

When did I mention offing him? He tried it himself, I just wished him success.

I don't wish people dead because of money and headache, but I certainly don't wish them life if they've raped 5 year old girls. I just find it to be easier if he kills himself, which he seems to want to do, instead of us doing it for him.

It's like someone towing themselves to the impound after parking in a handicapped spot - it saves us time and money if they do it themselves.

That being said, I think you should re-examine yourself if you'd kill someone for a parkingspace, though I can only assume you're being super sarcastic.

Well, likewise, if you will tell me where I said anything about offing you I will tell you where you said it.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
He attempted suicide today

He got it right today.

 

[jonks]

Compared to what his life in prison would have been like, he made the right choice.

 

[Lemon law]

What a way to end a criminal case. Now his attorney is filing for a dismissal of all charges on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Shall we pray that he finds a place in heaven slightly above but next to Ken Lay? Ole Kenny boy was found guilty but had appealed the ruling which is why I suggest that Atchenson deserves that slightly higher ranking.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
He attempted suicide today

He got it right today.

I guess that's what we call "self policing". That big guy named bubba probably did it, but the news is not gonna tell us that.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Thank you sir for saving everyone the pain and cost of a trial.

What is it about prosecutors that they always seem to kill themselves in these situations?

Anyway, good riddance.