A lot of people who where abused as children turned out to be monsters. I believe that we do need to study them to find out exactly what got "rewired". I just believe that they should be studied cold.
A lot of people who where abused as children turned out to be monsters. I believe that we do need to study them to find out exactly what got "rewired". I just believe that they should be studied cold.
blackangst1
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Seeing how a disproportionate number of abused becomes the abuser, I say once we find out they were abused, whether its 8, 12, or 17, just shoot em then. Or sterilize them. Lets save future generations by weeding out the sick and perverted NOW! I mean really..why wait for them to ruin other's lives, pull the trigger ASAP.
We are a Christian nation and we practice Christian sentiments, right? Like:
Jesus said, "I was hungry and you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me . . . I tell you solemnly, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life." Mt 25.42-43,45-46
We will know ourselves by how we treat the least among us, right.
But this is all religious bull sh!t no, stuff you just pretend to believe. I mean surely we won't be in for eternal punishment if we hate child molesters. I mean how could that possibly be. Surely a sane person scoffs at such a notion.
Well it all depends you see on whether we are vacuum cleaners sucking on vacuum cleaners who really do hate ourselves. If, as I have said, we were put down as children and made to feel the worst in the world, and the pain from that was too much to consciously bare, and instead we suppressed all notions of our worthlessness and erected instead a false ego, a conformist monster, who denies all negative truth about the self and projects only value, that false self will hate anything that is the truth, well then of course all bets are off. That would mean that the hate for the self that we cannot allow ourselves to consciously feel, but suffer from continuously on an unconscious level will mean that in fact we are really living in hell. And it will be as permanent a hell as our ego.
And we will live in constant emotional need, that is to say we will live as a vacuum cleaner, always looking for love from out there. We will never be filled because we lack self love, the only love that can fill.
And we will project out hate out there. Anything that deserves disgust, the kind that we were made to feel for ourselves, we will feel against that out there. We will treat the least among us like we really were treated. We will loath and despise those out there who are worthless because they will be exactly what we feel ourselves, suppressed our of conscious, naturally, to be.
So Jesus warned us not to judge, because our judgment comes from self hate and when we judge others we condemn ourselves, the real self we were taught to hate. That is why you forgive you neighbor and everything that you hate, because what you really hate is yourself. Only by forgiveness of the other can you forgive yourself and until you do you will continue actually to be in hell.
But you are used to hell so you won't listen and don't care. You will get your jollies being pissed off at me.
Jesus said, "I was hungry and you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me . . . I tell you solemnly, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life." Mt 25.42-43,45-46
We will know ourselves by how we treat the least among us, right.
But this is all religious bull sh!t no, stuff you just pretend to believe. I mean surely we won't be in for eternal punishment if we hate child molesters. I mean how could that possibly be. Surely a sane person scoffs at such a notion.
Well it all depends you see on whether we are vacuum cleaners sucking on vacuum cleaners who really do hate ourselves. If, as I have said, we were put down as children and made to feel the worst in the world, and the pain from that was too much to consciously bare, and instead we suppressed all notions of our worthlessness and erected instead a false ego, a conformist monster, who denies all negative truth about the self and projects only value, that false self will hate anything that is the truth, well then of course all bets are off. That would mean that the hate for the self that we cannot allow ourselves to consciously feel, but suffer from continuously on an unconscious level will mean that in fact we are really living in hell. And it will be as permanent a hell as our ego.
And we will live in constant emotional need, that is to say we will live as a vacuum cleaner, always looking for love from out there. We will never be filled because we lack self love, the only love that can fill.
And we will project out hate out there. Anything that deserves disgust, the kind that we were made to feel for ourselves, we will feel against that out there. We will treat the least among us like we really were treated. We will loath and despise those out there who are worthless because they will be exactly what we feel ourselves, suppressed our of conscious, naturally, to be.
So Jesus warned us not to judge, because our judgment comes from self hate and when we judge others we condemn ourselves, the real self we were taught to hate. That is why you forgive you neighbor and everything that you hate, because what you really hate is yourself. Only by forgiveness of the other can you forgive yourself and until you do you will continue actually to be in hell.
But you are used to hell so you won't listen and don't care. You will get your jollies being pissed off at me.
blackangst1 and SirJonk appear to be on to something...intelligent discourse on this subject.
If someone is abused, when does the free of pity end? When should the re-programming start? At what point do they become the abuser? Is it possible to re-program at an earlier stage? Can we ever reintegrate a person so twisted from norms?
Until these questions get some attention, the chances of being the monster after being abused by one are going to continue. Kinda reminds me of Werewolves attaking you. If you die, your dead, but if you live...you become what you feared the most and have to perpetuate the violence that you once were in fear of.
If someone is abused, when does the free of pity end? When should the re-programming start? At what point do they become the abuser? Is it possible to re-program at an earlier stage? Can we ever reintegrate a person so twisted from norms?
Until these questions get some attention, the chances of being the monster after being abused by one are going to continue. Kinda reminds me of Werewolves attaking you. If you die, your dead, but if you live...you become what you feared the most and have to perpetuate the violence that you once were in fear of.
You must have a pile of skeletons in your closet.
You know why you don't just summarily execute people who you think will commit a crime? Because they haven't done it yet you idiot. Yes, supposedly save people by murdering thousands of others, what a fantastic idea. Piles of corpses across the land!
Like child molesters, they deny the humanity of their intended victims and use them as tools to satisfy emotional needs. They have a sickness that is characterized by lack of empathy. Their self hate has turned outward to the hate of the other and dreams of payback. Their hurt demands more hurt. An eye for an eye has made us all blind. Filled with a lust for revenge, we have fallen in love with it. It is all now that connects to a life we once had, the only path we feel is there to return by. We are upside down, sucking revenge from the vengeful, for ever empty.
rpanic
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No one is denying there humanity, they already ceased being human when they committed the crime. No one is dreaming of payback it is just something that must be done, and their hurt will only create their end.
Some things just have to be done, they are broken, and are not a part of humanity. There expedient removal is the safest way for the truly innocent.
Uh Craigs post was a "right" vs "left" post. Try to keep up. Yes that makes it an ideological point and puts people into groups. To that point him ignoring leftist ideology and its faithful murdering millions of people in the past 100 years is amusing.
When I hear a comment like "Some things just have to be done" I know I am hearing a bigot.
A bigot is somebody who knows he is right, is absolutely certain of it, but has no idea why and can never explain it except by going in circles. They are bad so they must be punished and they are punished because they are bad. You do not know what you are feeling and how your feelings make your truth so you have no idea where your motivation for your opinions comes from.
rpanic
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You are so full of crap, it stinks. You are calling me a bigot because I don?t think like you. What motivates me, I think children are innocent and these horrible crimes are scarring them for life, there childhood is over and they will have to deal with it tell death. If my kid was abused by someone I would completely want all that I have said to happen and more. My office is on the second floor above one of the Child Services in LA I have walked by children that have been ruined and scared, then I hear horror stories from my wife about things that have happened to children that she has had to deal with. So don?t tell me I do not know what motivates my opinion.
What motivates you? You sound so self righteous, what a load of crap troll. You can go ahead and forgive or defend people who rape children that?s your opinion.
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Why stop with pedophiles? Recidivism rates for other crimes are just as high. Let's kill all rapists and burglars. Then we can move on to those annoying street vendors, and those beggars on the subway. And then the lawyers! Let us be rid of the rabble my friends. On to Utopia!
Nah, I am just like you, a vile, mean spirited, vengeful piece of crap who can't free himself from the past. You just happen to be proud to be that way and I'm not. I know I'm wrong but I can't change how I feel. I don't want to feel hate for myself like I hate child molesters, or know, really know, I'm no better than one. We are different only in what we can see and that doesn't mean much.
rpanic
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I don?t feel proud about anything I think its horrible that in this age we still have no solution for the problem. We spend lots of money on incarcerating the monster and then forget about the victim. Since everything in this country is unfortunately about money it makes sense to take the funds and move them from incarcerating the criminal for life to providing services to the victim at least till adulthood. Most children after everything is said and done are pretty much forgotten and have to deal with the problem on their own especially in lower social economic levels. Perhaps if we did this we would see less of this cycle of abuse. It seems like a win win situation unless you?re the pedophile. And this would be treated no differently than when someone is sentenced to death except faster, they should have to fit certain criteria.
I know I am perfect and knowledgeable on every aspect so I might not be right about everything but I haven?t seen anyone else address the problem or come up with a solution that is better than what is going on now.
If I seem cold because I think some people should die for their crimes, than so be it.
zinfamous
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the way I see it, is that they never truly evolved with the rest of us. the best way to fix their problem then, is to send them back to where we all evolved--Sub-Saharan Africa--and see if they can "catch up" with the rest of us while "evolving" amongst the lions, crocodiles, mambas and such.
See, they never went through this crucial stage of development
Lemon law
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As a matter of fact no. By the time you add the legal costs to get a death penalty and all the appeals, its far cheaper to keep the prisoner alive for however many years. And this guy is 53 already and faces up to 60 years in the slammer. And I don't think the crime carries a death sentence anyway but I will defer to the legal experts on that question.
But I had wanted to revisit this thread to ask what percentage of people who later became
pedophiles were themselves sexually abused as young children? And can that causal link be established?
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