Should we adopt the regulations of Japan for purchasing a gun?

[K1052]

I have several suppressors. The process to obtain a suppressor is onerous as hell, the $205 fee (soon to be removed in 01-01-2026) the ATF paperwork, background check, fingerprinting, and wait times are extreme for an item that doesn't actually contribute to more crime. If an AR or a pistol registration was like that it would really help slow down the number of instant gun buying to go out and commit a crime inho.

I think the friction in obtaining NFA items is part of what makes them rarely used in crimes. (especially the more $ they are). SBRs being a thing while everybody is running "braces" on AR pistols is kinda absurd though. I don't really have an interest in suppressors especially given the additional lead exposure concerns.

 

[nakedfrog]

California has a 10 day waiting period which seems sufficient. Something I'd like to see is a mandatory state sponsored gun safety training course complete with range live fire that has to be completed (including a test at the end) before you can purchase/own anything at all.

Seems to be the direction WA is headed, it's already a 10 business day waiting period before you can pick up a firearm, and there's a training requirement but due to the current law there's a free online presentation you can go through fairly quickly that fulfills the requirement. They're instituting licensing now and trying to turn the training into an actual training environment.

 

[Muse]

I am in favor of stricter regulations for obtaining a firearm. Depending on the state though, some are quite strict already. In Wisconsin to buy a pistol you have to have a background check, be of a certain age, and answer and fill out the required forms and we are a less strict state than NY or Cali. The problem is that you can simply lie on the forms (Hunter Biden anyone?) get the gun that same day, and go use it for something. The latest mass shooter gave plenty of warning signs that he was off, yet no one was able to stop the process for him. I tend to agree that stricter and more onerous regulations just make it harder for the law abiding folks over the criminals ability to get a gun. However quite a percentage of recent mass shootings the perp had to obtain the gun legally, and how do you catch a nutjob that can act normally up until the time he doesn't? In so many instances when these things happen even their closest friends say things like "he was the nicest guy, we had no idea he would do this"" etc.

Regardless any steps that can be done to help, such as a 14 day waiting period perhaps, thorough background checks, can only help.

All this shit misses the fact that gun ownership for noone makes it hard to get a gun. It's not an overnight solution BUT IT IS A SOLUTION EVENTUALLY. If it's illegal to possess a gun, there will be less and less guns "out there." Patience is required. And FUCK THE 2ND AMENDMENT. That filthy rag should be stomped into the muddy soil with a twisting boot.

 

[nOOky]

All this shit misses the fact that gun ownership for noone makes it hard to get a gun. It's not an overnight solution BUT IT IS A SOLUTION EVENTUALLY. If it's illegal to possess a gun, there will be less and less guns "out there." Patience is required. And FUCK THE 2ND AMENDMENT. That filthy rag should be stomped into the muddy soil with a twisting boot.

Are you forgetting the 300 million guns or so currently in circulation that can be bought or sold or stolen? Those guns will never be taken away from anyone, don't think they will or can be lol. Americans will never allow guns to be banned, look for other solutions like mental health or social media or making parents actually parent as those are more likely.

 

[Muse]

Are you forgetting the 300 million guns or so currently in circulation that can be bought or sold or stolen? Those guns will never be taken away from anyone, don't think they will or can be lol. Americans will never allow guns to be banned, look for other solutions like mental health or social media or making parents actually parent as those are more likely.

Are you forgetting the 300 million guns or so currently in circulation...

Circulation! Ha! They won't circulate if they are jail-bait.

Typical myopia, nOOky. If it's illegal to own a gun people are just going to hang on to their jail-bait, huh? Sure. Let me show you my gun... uh, don't tell anybody. When's the last time you fired it? Uh, I don't dare because (1) there are no firing ranges anymore, (2) Monitors pick up gun shots and are cop-bait.

Can't sell your gun legally and who the fuck would want one? What are they gonna do with it? Fend off an intruder? Jail bait, mate.

I said it would take a long time, but guns would disappear. It's just in your addled head that 300 million guns are permanent fixtures of American life IF THEY ARE OUTLAWED. Hey, live your gun fantasy, man. Best of luck with it, you're gonna need it.

 

[nOOky]

Circulation! Ha! They won't circulate if they are jail-bait.

Typical myopia, nOOky. If it's illegal to own a gun people are just going to hang on to their jail-bait, huh? Sure. Let me show you my gun... uh, don't tell anybody. When's the last time you fired it? Uh, I don't dare because (1) there are no firing ranges anymore, (2) Monitors pick up gun shots and are cop-bait.

Can't sell your gun legally and who the fuck would want one? What are they gonna do with it? Fend off an intruder? Jail bait, mate.

I said it would take a long time, but guns would disappear. It's just in your addled head that 300 million guns are permanent fixtures of American life IF THEY ARE OUTLAWED. Hey, live your gun fantasy, man. Best of luck with it, you're gonna need it.

Wow you went off the rails fairly quickly there lol. Laughing at me saying I have myopia concerning existing guns? Let me state to you something that might not be obvious to you. The US will never, ever, ever, never ban guns, and existing owners will never be criminals for keeping their existing ones. I'm not saying that because I wish it to be so, I'm saying that because that is just the reality of the situation. If you can't wrap your head around that, and you think that eventually they will all be collected and destroyed and the US will be gun less, keep on keeping on I guess. If you think otherwise good luck with that, you need to focus on solutions that may actually help. Sorry for the harsh reality but blaming me personally for your desires is fine, I have strong shoulders and I can take it.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's closer to 400 million guns now.

 

[Muse]

Wow you went off the rails fairly quickly there lol. Laughing at me saying I have myopia concerning existing guns? Let me state to you something that might not be obvious to you. The US will never, ever, ever, never ban guns, and existing owners will never be criminals for keeping their existing ones. I'm not saying that because I wish it to be so, I'm saying that because that is just the reality of the situation. If you can't wrap your head around that, and you think that eventually they will all be collected and destroyed and the US will be gun less, keep on keeping on I guess. If you think otherwise good luck with that, you need to focus on solutions that may actually help. Sorry for the harsh reality but blaming me personally for your desires is fine, I have strong shoulders and I can take it.

Did I say it would happen? You should analyze your reading skills.

"There is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening." - The Medium is the Massage, Marshall McCluhan

 

[nOOky]

Did I say it would happen? You should analyze your reading skills.

"There is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening." - The Medium is the Massage, Marshall McCluhan

My point is valid regardless, but it doesn't matter as it will never happen and I explained that to you, yet you are still kind of a whiner. If that's all you got after I spanked your stupid ass maybe just keep quiet and move along it will soon be forgotten.

 

[cytg111]

I think the way you're heading right now the 2nd might just be your saving grace and might prove to be fundamental to you clawing yourself back.

 

[sdifox]

I think the way you're heading right now the 2nd might just be your saving grace and might prove to be fundamental to you clawing yourself back.

Pretty sure other places managed to overthrow dictators without 2A

 

[cytg111]

Pretty sure other places managed to overthrow dictators without 2A

And I am pretty sure other places has not?

 

[Moonbeam]

In my opinion, no matter where you personally stand on guns, the fact that guns are at the center of the debate is just more of the gun problem. Look at the anger and hostility the debate can generate between differing opinions, how easily it become a battlefield of put downs. How quickly verbal shots ring out. Little humility, decency or respect for the opinions of others.

The conversation, in my opinion, and the same on issue after issue tells me what is at root in all of it, that people are mental with a need for certainty, the other coin face of which is the fear of uncertainty. I see need and fear. What is the need, what is the fear, why does it manifest as insulting certainty? What is violence? What triggers it? Where can you go for the answers? Do you even care?

I think the gun issue is just a subset of of an other deeper issue the need for and the loss of innocence, the ignorance that exists knowing the difference between grievances and grief we hide away.

 

[HomerJS]

Are you forgetting the 300 million guns or so currently in circulation that can be bought or sold or stolen? Those guns will never be taken away from anyone, don't think they will or can be lol. Americans will never allow guns to be banned, look for other solutions like mental health or social media or making parents actually parent as those are more likely.

How about an automatic life sentence for shooting someone not in self-defense. Make the self-defense bar a high one. Your life has to be threatened. That will greatly reduce gun violence. Won't end all of it but if you know you will spend the rest of your life behind bars.

Other rules to enact
Bring back assault weapons ban. There is no self-defense or hunting justification for them. It was successful when enacted in the 90s.
No gun modifications allowed outside the scope. No silencers

 

[uallas5]

-Id love to see a standardized course at all, mandatory or otherwise.

Ironically I think it would be good for the gun industry as more people would feel comfortable with owning a gun and actually purchase one.

We don't even have standardized education requirements for police in the US, never mind gun ownership.

 

[sdifox]

And I am pretty sure other places has not?

So 2A is a wash.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Not possible with this government, since it would interfere with the multi-billion dollar school shooting industry. The answer to too many guns, is clearly more guns. /S (for the sanity impaired)

The school shooting industry is worth billions — and it keeps growing​

In the wake of those shootings, an industry has emerged to try to protect schools — and business is booming. According to the market research firm Omdia, the school security industry is now worth as much as $4 billion, and it's projected to keep growing.

What's for sale​

Inside the school safety conference, vendors in an expo hall showcase panic buttons, bullet-resistant whiteboards, facial recognition technology, training simulators, body armor, guns and tasers.

Tom McDermott, with the metal detector manufacturer CEIA USA, says schools used to be a small fraction of their U.S. business. Now they're the majority.

One display from the National School Safety Conference:

 

[sdifox]

ED-209 for every school!

I didn't know RoboCop was a documentary.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Not possible with this government, since it would interfere with the multi-billion dollar school shooting industry. The answer to too many guns, is clearly more guns. /S (for the sanity impaired)

The school shooting industry is worth billions — and it keeps growing​

One display from the National School Safety Conference:

I saw this and thought "what the fuck is wrong with us"

 

[cytg111]

So 2A is a wash.

Russia Iran Saudi NK

Your turn

Guatemala?

 

[sdifox]

Russia Iran Saudi NK

Your turn

Guatemala?

you think there are no guns in civilian hands in Russia and Iran?

NK is a different ball game, you think them having 2A in their constitution is going to make a difference? Their constitution actually mention freedom of speech and assembly lol

 

[cytg111]

you think there are no guns in civilian hands in Russia and Iran?

NK is a different ball game, you think them having 2A in their constitution is going to make a difference? Their constitution actually mention freedom of speech and assembly lol

I think there is not enough to overturn the regime.
Its hard to miss that most dictatorships have very strict gun laws.
We can only speculate as to why this is so.
Wonder what your founding fathers had in mind when they formulated the 2nd?

Anyway, I've communicated what I set out to say.

Peace

 

[sdifox]

I think there is not enough to overturn the regime.
Its hard to miss that most dictatorships have very strict gun laws.
We can only speculate as to why this is so.
Wonder what your founding fathers had in mind when they formulated the 2nd?

Anyway, I've communicated what I set out to say.

Peace

I can't think of another place with 2A in their constitution, yet think how many regime changes we have seen.

 

[cytg111]

I can't think of another place with 2A in their constitution, yet think how many regime changes we have seen.

Identical <> analogy.
Who would aid you in overthrowing a US regime - and risk getting a nuke in the front yard?

I dont like this list too much to be honest, for a number of reasons.

 

[IronWing]

ED-209 for every school!

I didn't know RoboCop was a documentary.

How is this different than what cops are doing now?