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ch33zw1z said:
If you haven't had children, then you can take a step back while the parents post.
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I thought the same thing. This human being has never had children. He views children as "spawn" and "punks" and "little snots" and "inflictions". Perhaps he is projecting?

I wonder if he advocates that HIS parents should be jailed for raising such a shithead.
 
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It varies by the individual incident, imo.

The recent school shooting where the parents are being charged now- fully justified, as they were careless and reckless about the ownership of the gun, and allowing their son free access to it. They also were contacted and warned about concerns for the mental state of their son immediately before the shooting occurred, and actively chose to handwave it away.

Cases of minors committing murder and other acts of violence are not always this cut and dry, and I don't think it's realistic to hold parents accountable for every action a kid/teenager does. Sometimes it's pretty obvious if/when the parents are also accountable, but it isn't universal, nor black and white.
 
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Pipeline 1010 said:
Thankfully, I don't think this person has "spawned".
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I believe you are correct, I got him confused with someone else.

Anyone who has raised their kids thru the teen years knows as a parent, you have no real control over the choices they make. All you have is the HOPE that you raised them right and they make the right ones. When they don't, the only control you have is the punishment they receive if the law isn't involved. But there are kids out, no matter how perfect they where raised by their parents, or the punishments they receive from their parents, who are still destined to a life of bad choices and crime. Resulting in the law punishing them, and even then, that doesn't always work. We have some of the best parents with some of the worse law breakers as their kids in this country, and it's no fault on the parents.
 
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I believe you are correct, I got him confused with someone else.

Anyone who has raised their kids thru the teen years knows as a parent, you have no real control over the choices they make. All you have is the HOPE that you raised them right and they make the right ones. When they don't, the only control you have is the punishment they receive if the law isn't involved. But there are kids out, no matter how perfect they where raised by their parents, or the punishments they receive from their parents, who are still destined to a life of bad choices and crime. Resulting in the law punishing them, and even then, that doesn't always work. We have some of the best parents with some of the worse law breakers as their kids in this country, and it's no fault on the parents.
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I get that in general, good parenting gives kids the best chance. But I know adults who grew up with absolute crap parents...alcoholics, domestic abusers, just the worst. And these kids grew up to be great adults. I also know people who grew up in very loving families who rebelled and chose to be "bad". I do think these are anecdotes, but the rush to judge the parent without even thinking just pisses me off.

In my attempts to be a good father to 3 boys, I've managed to raise 3 great boys, despite my many mistakes and flaws. The oldest is a leader and very respectful. The youngest is a sweetheart who obeys and loves so well. The middle is the most loving and emotional out of all of them, but has a diagnosis and the least compliant and most defiant. He literally has run away from school before....and at a very young age. He has kicked and spat at teachers. I have been at the park with him and literally heard other parents talking about him (their kids go to school with him) and saying some condescending shit about how bad his parents must be. They clearly either didn't know I was there or didn't care. They don't know how much EFFORT I have spent...emotional effort, one on one times, reading to him, singing to him at bedtime....the tears, the money spent, the dr visits, the walk of shame to pick him up from school when he has misbehaved and been sent home (and the PTO). It is a lazy brained, cowardly, stupid thing to rush to blame the parent and I don't easily suffer this.

That said, if your kid gets your gun and shoots someone, that's on YOU and YOU go to jail.
 
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I get that in general, good parenting gives kids the best chance. But I know adults who grew up with absolute crap parents...alcoholics, domestic abusers, just the worst. And these kids grew up to be great adults. I also know people who grew up in very loving families who rebelled and chose to be "bad". I do think these are anecdotes, but the rush to judge the parent without even thinking just pisses me off.

In my attempts to be a good father to 3 boys, I've managed to raise 3 great boys, despite my many mistakes and flaws. The oldest is a leader and very respectful. The youngest is a sweetheart who obeys and loves so well. The middle is the most loving and emotional out of all of them, but has a diagnosis and the least compliant and most defiant. He literally has run away from school before....and at a very young age. He has kicked and spat at teachers. I have been at the park with him and literally heard other parents talking about him (their kids go to school with him) and saying some condescending shit about how bad his parents must be. They clearly either didn't know I was there or didn't care. They don't know how much EFFORT I have spent...emotional effort, one on one times, reading to him, singing to him at bedtime....the tears, the money spent, the dr visits, the walk of shame to pick him up from school when he has misbehaved and been sent home (and the PTO). It is a lazy brained, cowardly, stupid thing to rush to blame the parent and I don't easily suffer this.

That said, if your kid gets your gun and shoots someone, that's on YOU and YOU go to jail.
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Yes and no. There is more to it than that. Age of your kid is a huge factor. By ages 15/16, I have to say no, not really. Because that is the age most kids have earned the trust of their parents and the age that in most states, kids are allowed to use firearms with and without parent supervision, and in many states they can use hunting rifles without parent supervision. Texas for example allows children from 9 years old an up to go hunting without supervision, with other states starting at 10,11, etc. Nearly all states they can go hunting by 16 without any parent supervision, which means access to guns. By 15/16, this is the age where parents have taught them gun safety, take them out shooting/hunting etc. They for sure have entrusted their kids to baby sit, and have the responsibility of keeping other's safe, and themselves, when they are baby sitting. By this age, most have given their children the ability to access their handguns/rifles without them being home in case of intruders. Handguns/firearms are not only a tool used for protection when parents are home, or over the age of 18, or are they?

I think there is more to it than just "if your kid gets your gun and shoots someone, that's on you to go to jail" is just to vague and full of assumptions. That's like trying to blame a parent for a teen taking the car and having an accident. I guess all I am saying is every situation is different, and a kid (depending on age) having access to a parents gun is not necessarily the deciding factor, if the kid is teenager and has earned the trust and taught the responsibilities of using/having a firearm.
 
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Yes and no. There is more to it than that. Age of your kid is a huge factor. By ages 15/16, I have to say no, not really. Because that is the age most kids have earned the trust of their parents and the age that in most states, kids are allowed to use firearms with and without parent supervision, and in many states they can use hunting rifles without parent supervision. Texas for example allows children from 9 years old an up to go hunting without supervision, with other states starting at 10,11, etc. Nearly all states they can go hunting by 16 without any parent supervision, which means access to guns. By 15/16, this is the age where parents have taught them gun safety, take them out shooting/hunting etc. They for sure have entrusted their kids to baby sit, and have the responsibility of keeping other's safe, and themselves, when they are baby sitting. By this age, most have given their children the ability to access their handguns/rifles without them being home in case of intruders. Handguns/firearms are not only a tool used for protection when parents are home, or over the age of 18, or are they?

I think there is more to it than just "if your kid gets your gun and shoots someone, that's on you to go to jail" is just to vague and full of assumptions. That's like trying to blame a parent for a teen taking the car and having an accident. I guess all I am saying is every situation is different, and a kid (depending on age) having access to a parents gun is not necessarily the deciding factor, if the kid is teenager and has earned the trust and taught the responsibilities of using/having a firearm.
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You are right. My statement was far too broad.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
How about this punk's parents?

www.upi.com

Texas police arrest 14-year-old in convenience store shooting that killed three - UPI.com

Police in Garland, Texas arrested a 14-year-old boy suspected of carrying out a shooting at a convenience store that left three other teens dead.
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Aha!!!

Police Seek 14-Year-Old Accused of Fatally Shooting 3 People at Texas Convenience Store

The teenager's father was arrested earlier this week in connection to the shooting at the convenience store, according to police.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Aha!!!

Police Seek 14-Year-Old Accused of Fatally Shooting 3 People at Texas Convenience Store

The teenager's father was arrested earlier this week in connection to the shooting at the convenience store, according to police.
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Yes, just like people here said, if the parents are shown to be involved, then of course they should be charged.

Since you left this out, I'll add it: "On Wednesday, Garland police said detectives found information that "shows that the driver of the truck, Richard Acosta, who previously turned himself in, is the father of the shooter" police were searching for."

So the father drove the truck, it's a no brainer.

Sorry bruh, your dumb comments earlier won't be washed away over this 😉
 
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Kids these days .....

2 15-year-old boys arrested following armed carjacking at Dedham Mall parking lot

www.boston.com.ico
Boston.com|26 minutes ago
Two 15-year-old boys have been arrested and police are looking for a third suspect in connection with an armed carjacking in Dedham



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No gun though, just bb

So is this thread about parents who should be charged or is it just for shaking fists at "kids these days"?
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Bazinga!

Police: Father arrested in accidental shooting of 2-year-old

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SFGate|11 minutes ago
Authorities say a Phoenix man has been arrested in an accidental shooting that killed his 2-year-old son at the family's apartment. Jail records and police say Joshua Lewis, 29, was jailed Thursday after being arrested on suspicion of child abuse-reckless in the Wednesday afternoon shooting death of 2-year-old Kayden Lewis.
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Bazinga? So now you're happy about a 2 year old dying from a firearm so a parent can be charged? That's fucked up dude.

You may want to reconsider what your goal is here
 
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