Should their be a public registry of Gun Owners?

[IceBergSLiM]

Disagree, people with guns are more dangerous than people without.

murderers are more dangerous than non-murderers

nuclear warheads are more dangerous than these

 

[CPA]

OK, I'll go get one guy with an AK47 and one guy with a knife, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

Are you serious? That's your argument as to why gun owners are more dangerous? OMG, you truly are brainwashed by your nanny government.

You really need to sit down and reread what you posted and think if that makes logical sense as to WHY lawful gun owners are more dangerous.

 

[corwin]

OK, I'll go get one guy with an AK47 and one guy with a knife, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

Seems to me the most dangerous one would be the person who could make two guys do thatD:

Please stop posting on things you've proven time and again to have nothing intelligent to add, your irrational fear of an object is getting out of hand, you should really go see a professional about that if you're ever in the states and can get past your fear of us long enough to go outside let me know, my wife is a therapist and might be able to get you over it...however I would recommend you just stay on your little island and cower in fear at the freedoms we posess

 

[Darwin333]

Disagree, people with guns are more dangerous than people without.

I notice that you haven't responded to my post that detailed my own real world experience as a gun owner.

I will ask again, given my real world encounter that I told you a very small part of in this thread, exactly how has my gun made me more of a danger to my neighbors? If I was to take a poll of said neighbors, again taking into account real world actions and not your irrational fear, what do you think they would say?


I highly doubt you will give any type of logical or intelligent response based on your previous posts. All you can say is "people with guns are more dangerous than people without" with absolutely nothing to back it up. I have given you actual real world scenarios in which normal law abiding people with guns have made an entire area much less dangerous without ever firing a single shot. Without those law abiding people with guns shots would almost definitely have been fired and some of those law abiding normal people would be dead, robbed of essential and irreplaceable supplies, raped, homes burned, etc....

Are you honestly trying to argue that the latter would have been a better or "less dangerous" situation? I don't really expect a reply, simply trying to point out how absurdly ignorant your position is.

 

[Darwin333]

OK, I'll go get one guy with an AK47 and one guy with a knife, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

Ok, I'll go get one guy with a butchers knife and one guy with a plastic knife you get in a drive-thru, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

Obviously everything but small plastic knives should be banned using your logic.

How about a baseball bat versus one of those floaty swimming pool noodles? Golf club versus rolled up news paper? MMA champion versus normal guy that works out?

Of course one has an advantage you fool, that is entirely the point. That does not make one "more dangerous" than the other. We have absolutely rock solid proof that people who legally carry guns are one of the least "dangerous" groups of people in the country.

You lose.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I am not saying gun owners are criminals like sex offenders, but like sex offenders are a danger to society, gun owners are danger too.

I don't think anyone doubts that. I think the issue that some people have is that a publicly available register might raise the risk of crime for the people in those homes.

You're not the brightest bulb in the bunch, are you? How could you think that people "won't have any doubts" about gun owners being dangerous? Illegal gunowners are a danger...not the legal ones. You are probably part of the same retarded bunch of fucktards that don't know the difference between legal and illegal immigrants as well.

 

[CPA]

Ok, I'll go get one guy with a butchers knife and one guy with a plastic knife you get in a drive-thru, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

Obviously everything but small plastic knives should be banned using your logic.

How about a baseball bat versus one of those floaty swimming pool noodles? Golf club versus rolled up news paper? MMA champion versus normal guy that works out?

Of course one has an advantage you fool, that is entirely the point. That does not make one "more dangerous" than the other. We have absolutely rock solid proof that people who legally carry guns are one of the least "dangerous" groups of people in the country.

You lose.

Thank you. His argument is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

 

[JockoJohnson]

OK, I'll go get one guy with an AK47 and one guy with a knife, they will both be the same height, same age, same weight, same build, they will stand 10ft apart and they have to kill each other. The winner is the most dangerous, you asshat.

You forget to take in their mental faculties...you are either a stupid fuck or just trolling people. You have come to your conclusion in your head and now you are making up supporting arguments. The crazy guy with a knife could be much more dangerous than the gun collector who has the AK-47 kept unloaded and locked in a safe in his basement. But go ahead and live in your fantasy land where the gun is the big bad boogeyman and if no guns were around, the world would be safer.

 

[IGemini]

I'd win if I had the gun.

...just stop talking.

4. Misplaced Confidence
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Smug remarks about offenders foolishly "bringing a knife to a gunfight" betray dangerous thinking about the ultimate force option, too. Some officers are cockily confident they'll defeat any sharp-edged threat because they carry a superior weapon: their service sidearm. This belief may be subtly reinforced by fixating on distances of 21 or 30 feet, as if this is the typical reaction space you'll have in an edged-weapon encounter.
The truth is that where edged-weapon attacks are concerned, "close-up confrontations are actually the norm," points out Sgt. Craig Stapp, a firearms trainer with the Tempe (AZ) P.D. and a member of FSRC's Technical Advisory Board. "A suspect who knows how to effectively deploy a knife can be extremely dangerous in these circumstances. Even those who are not highly trained can be deadly, given the close proximity of the contact, the injury knives are capable of, and the time it takes officers to process and react to an assault.
"At close distances, standing still and drawing are usually not the best tactics to employ and may not even be possible." At a distance of 10 feet, a subject is less than half a second away from making the first cut on an officer, Lewinski's research shows. Therefore, rather than relying on a holstered gun, officers must be trained in hands-on techniques to deflect or delay the use of the knife, to control it and/or to remove it from the attacker's grasp, or to buy time to get their gun out. These methods have to be simple enough to be learned by the average officer.
http://www.policeone.com/news_internal.asp?view=113907

Never mind that you're bringing to bear a rifle that weighs over 4 kilos using both hands, the common reaction time for bringing a <1kg pistol to level is over a second, and that's a trained reaction from police officers that drill. I'm also pretty sure a firearm ignoramus like yourself hasn't done any point shooting, in which case you have aim OR grip, but not both--and I'm not sure about the latter because the AK-47 is a pretty clumsy weapon. I'd give odds to whoever had the knife, because I'll bank I've put more rounds through an AK AND handled more knives than you ever will and I wouldn't want to take on an edged weapon at 10 feet, because I'm not so stupidly arrogant to claim victory just because I had a gun even if it was full-auto.

I don't care whether you're pro-gun or not, but don't pretend you've used one to make a case against owning firearms.

 

[TallBill]

Lol he probably wouldn't even know how to chamber a round or take the AK off safe.

 

[HAL9000]

Lol he probably wouldn't even know how to chamber a round or take the AK off safe.

I've fired an AK74 before.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No. Its to dangerious. Get rid of the drug laws and put choice back into the peoples hands . Crime would be cut in half. Tring to protect one from self is a useless endeavor

 

[Darwin333]

I've fired an AK74 before.

Did you wet yourself due to how dangerous you automatically became?

 

[corwin]

Did you wet yourself due to how dangerous you automatically became?

He wet himself just writing that post

 

[Nemesis 1]

I owned an AK47 and some nice sniper type rifles befor I realized that what I fight against I was becoming. All weapons gone now. I would rather die in peace than to win and be villainous. I perferr all to make their own choices. Based on knowledge and wisdom. Not what the world has taught them . Its in all mens hearts . Ya just have to dig down inside to bring it to the surface

 

[corwin]

I owned an AK47 and some nice sniper type rifles befor I realized that what I fight against I was becoming. All weapons gone now. I would rather die in peace than to win and be villainous. I perferr all to make their own choices. Based on knowledge and wisdom. Not what the world has taught them . Its in all mens hearts . Ya just have to dig down inside to bring it to the surface

WTF does this even mean? What exactly were you fighting against and how the hell does owning a weapon and protecting yourself and your family if needed make you villainous? Or were you afraid in your mental state you might take them out on a rampage some day?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I owned an AK47 and some nice sniper type rifles befor I realized that what I fight against I was becoming. All weapons gone now. I would rather die in peace than to win and be villainous. I perferr all to make their own choices. Based on knowledge and wisdom. Not what the world has taught them . Its in all mens hearts . Ya just have to dig down inside to bring it to the surface

Self preservation isn't villainous, it is a natural instinct that almost every form of life possesses. Guess you have bad genetics.

 

[Nemesis 1]

It is not our nature to make war, This is evil men in power making us do unnatural acts . You smuggly sitting there thinking your secure . When the boggy man in open sight draws nearer. Thats what I thought I could defend myself . The loser in all cases of history are the villians in the victories history. This country is heading for civil war. I simply choose not to make a choice as to which side I would try to kill . Its not my place to make such a choice. Its not in our nature to kill based on idealism. To survive yes. I would still prefer to not defend and place my faith and fate in he who is worthy to judge..

 

[corwin]

It is not our nature to make war, This is evil men in power making us do unnatural acts . You smuggly sitting there thinking your secure . When the boggy man in open sight draws nearer. Thats what I thought I could defend myself . The loser in all cases of history are the villians in the victories history. This country is heading for civil war. I simply choose not to make a choice as to which side I would try to kill . Its not my place to make such a choice. Its not in our nature to kill based on idealism. To survive yes. I would still prefer to not defend and place my faith and fate in he who is worthy to judge..

Umm

I can honestly say I'm glad you no longer own any weapons...and that I do.

P.S. Please seek professional help, both mental and language

 

[Gunslinger08]

I'm really not sure what purpose a national gun registry would serve. It may help in solving some crimes. Say someone was murdered with a .357 round and the police can look up all .357 owners in a 5 mile radius. Do you really want to get a knock on your door every time someone in your area commits a crime with a caliber that you happen to own? They could even fire a test round from every registered gun and keep images of the rifling pattern on file to match up against bullets used to commit crimes. I'm pretty sure that doesn't work the way it does on CSI though, so it's just going to be a VERY expensive boondoggle.

Okay, so it's not really going to be ideal for solving crimes. How about we use it like the OP suggested - build a website with a searchable Google map of each person with a registered gun. There are a couple problems:
1. People move. They're going to have to re-register every time they move. Are you really going to throw someone in jail if they forget?
2. People sell guns privately, which is legal.
3. People who are going to commit most of your crimes will not register their guns, making it a waste anyway. Will you make it a crime to not register?
4. People who search the registry will either not care or they will freak out. That's just how people are.

So to make this effective, you're going to have to:
1. Make it a crime to not register your gun, which considerably increases jail times for crimes committed with an unregistered gun.
2. Require every address change and gun sale to be registered federally. This means you'll need to create a very large new government agency (probably under ATF) to manage all of this.
3. Somehow incentivize current gun owners to register their previously purchased guns.

I just don't see it happening. The value for the money it would require just isn't there.

 

[HAL9000]

Did you wet yourself due to how dangerous you automatically became?

I did not.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'd win if I had the gun.

Ahh, someone who never heard of the 21 foot rule. The guy with the knife has a significant chance of winning. Try again.

Thank you. I was about to bring up the rule.

If the gun was holstered, you have to take a second or two to draw and then aim. Aim at the wrong thing and you kill an innocent bystander.

I bet HAL would draw and fire blindly, killing some random person. That is to say, people with guns who don't know how to use them, and certainly don't respect their power, are dangerous. People who deal with them regularly and give them the respect and healthy dose of fear that they deserve and totally safe.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm really not sure what purpose a national gun registry would serve. It may help in solving some crimes. Say someone was murdered with a .357 round and the police can look up all .357 owners in a 5 mile radius. Do you really want to get a knock on your door every time someone in your area commits a crime with a caliber that you happen to own? They could even fire a test round from every registered gun and keep images of the rifling pattern on file to match up against bullets used to commit crimes. I'm pretty sure that doesn't work the way it does on CSI though, so it's just going to be a VERY expensive boondoggle.

Okay, so it's not really going to be ideal for solving crimes. How about we use it like the OP suggested - build a website with a searchable Google map of each person with a registered gun. There are a couple problems:
1. People move. They're going to have to re-register every time they move. Are you really going to throw someone in jail if they forget?
2. People sell guns privately, which is legal.
3. People who are going to commit most of your crimes will not register their guns, making it a waste anyway. Will you make it a crime to not register?
4. People who search the registry will either not care or they will freak out. That's just how people are.

So to make this effective, you're going to have to:
1. Make it a crime to not register your gun, which considerably increases jail times for crimes committed with an unregistered gun.
2. Require every address change and gun sale to be registered federally. This means you'll need to create a very large new government agency (probably under ATF) to manage all of this.
3. Somehow incentivize current gun owners to register their previously purchased guns.

I just don't see it happening. The value for the money it would require just isn't there.

Yup. I think the point here is people like the OP and HAL are just anti-gun and cannot be reasoned with. End of story.

 

[SparkyJJO]

It is an American right to own a gun.

You should go on the knowledge that every single person is packing.

If you don't like it, you are free to leave the country.

Holy smokes, something Dave and I agree on

 

[Darwin333]

I did not.

Did you automatically become more dangerous to society the moment you picked it up?