Discussion Should the USA become a Theocracy? To all Religious Republicans here. Yes or NO?

[nOOky]

I can't speak for myself haha but many conservatives I know long for a theocracy. They want a leader as a single point of light in their dark world to show them the way, and to think for them. DJT is a good example of a spiritual leader for them, despite him merely being a narcissistic despot, they think he is simply divine. Pretty much any Trump supporter that screams he's coming back in 2024 wants to be led by him, they'd offer up their sisters to him if they could.

 

[crashtech]

No, I provided fully relevant evidence which you have completely ignored, while you provided something completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
And then you doubledown with condescending personal attacks and namecalling.
It's pathetic. You are literally the pigeon who shits on the chessboard and thinks he won. Because in a way you did, as no one is able to discuss the actual thread topic, which is clearly what you wanted.

Question though, doesn't it bother you to engage in bad faith arguments all the time? It never tugs at your conscience or anything to be a liar?

This "Christian Nationalism" has nothing to do with me or anything I have argued. I will freely admit I am a very poor advocate for my point of view. So what? That says less about me than it does about this forum. No sane, intelligent conservative would be caught dead posting in such a ridiculously hostile environment.

 

[crashtech]

I can't speak for myself haha but many conservatives I know long for a theocracy. They want a leader as a single point of light in their dark world to show them the way, and to think for them. DJT is a good example of a spiritual leader for them, despite him merely being a narcissistic despot, they think he is simply divine. Pretty much any Trump supporter that screams he's coming back in 2024 wants to be led by him, they'd offer up their sisters to him if they could.

Personally I think such a point of view (if it actually exists) is insane, but it does suggest some impulses that are common to all and not confined to conservatives. Many people need to find something to believe in, and as a counterpoint, social and/or environmental justice causes are the new religion for a great many people.

 

[Vic]

This "Christian Nationalism" has nothing to do with me or anything I have argued. I will freely admit I am a very poor advocate for my point of view. So what? That says less about me than it does about this forum. No sane, intelligent conservative would be caught dead posting in such a ridiculously hostile environment.

I'm confident that if you bothered to engage in civil good faith discussion related to the thread topic that you would be welcomed here regardless of your ideological tribalism.
IOW it's not your conservatism that generates hostility but your lack of civility and honesty.

 

[crashtech]

I'm confident that if you bothered to engage in civil good faith discussion related to the thread topic that you would be welcomed here regardless of your ideological tribalism.
IOW it's not your conservatism that generates hostility but your lack of civility and honesty.

Please review the history of this thread, I strongly believe it was you that charged out of the gate in bad faith. Am I wrong?
"Somebody's trollbot is stuck on 2016."

 

[Vic]

Personally I think such a point of view (if it actually exists) is insane, but it does suggest some impulses that are common to all and not confined to conservatives. Many people need to find something to believe in, and as a counterpoint, social and/or environmental justice causes are the new religion for a great many people.

Yes, because we need to pretend that people who care about a clean environment for their children or who uphold the principles of social justice enshrined in the Constitution are the real religious nutjobs, and not the 54% of Republicans who want their actual religion to be the law of the land.

 

[MrSquished]

Judge Orders Biden Officials to Limit Contact With Social-Media Companies

The preliminary injunction says the Biden administration’s policing of social media likely violated the First Amendment.

www.wsj.com

Yeah I think I'll wait until this case makes it out of the fucking hick states federal judges round

Right now it's just a lawsuit by a couple of hick states and it's a temporary injunction 'if what they are saying is true'

That's a big fucking if especially if you consider how much the Republican party does not deal in facts or reality these days.

Get a fucking grip.

 

[Vic]

Please review the history of this thread, I strongly believe it was you that charged out of the gate in bad faith. Am I wrong?
"Somebody's trollbot is stuck on 2016."

Yes, because you jumped right out the gate with troll rhetoric regurgitated from 2016. Because it's the "censorious far left's" fault that Republicans believe the separation of church and state is "a joke" and want to make their religion the law of the land.

 

[crashtech]

Yes, because we need to pretend that people who care about a clean environment for their children or who uphold the principles of social justice enshrined in the Constitution are the real religious nutjobs, and not the 54% of Republicans who want their actual religion to be the law of the law.

I reject this ridiculous false equivalency, think of it as a social commentary instead of some kind of headcount of who is good and who is evil.

 

[Vic]

I reject this ridiculous false equivalency, think of it as a social commentary instead of some kind of headcount of who is good and who is evil.

Says the guy who bothsides'd the discussion right out of the gate.

 

[crashtech]

Yes, because you jumped right out the gate with troll rhetoric regurgitated from 2016. Because it's the "censorious far left's" fault that Republicans believe the separation of church and state is "a joke" and want to make their religion the law of the land.

This false characterization is so far from reality that I wonder if you are stuck inside some kind of bubble. Maybe you need to go on a road trip.

 

[WelshBloke]

Judge Orders Biden Officials to Limit Contact With Social-Media Companies

The preliminary injunction says the Biden administration’s policing of social media likely violated the First Amendment.

www.wsj.com

I'm assuming that this is the same subject that the Verge reported on? The WSJ is paywalled for me.

There is a quote in it that's pretty depressing.

Judge Terry A. Doughty says "The Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the Government has used its power to silence the opposition. Opposition to COVID-19 vaccines; opposition to COVID-19 masking and lockdowns; opposition to the lab-leak theory of COVID-19; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Biden’s policies; statements that the Hunter Biden laptop story was true; and opposition to policies of the government officials in power. All were suppressed. It is quite telling that each example or category of suppressed speech was conservative in nature. This targeted suppression of conservative ideas is a perfect example of viewpoint discrimination of political speech."

Those are conservative ideas? Vaccine denial, election results denial...
Not fiscal policy, or America's place in the world. But border line looney tunes conspiracy theories.
That's where conservative values are now.

 

[crashtech]

Says the guy who bothsides'd the discussion right out of the gate.

Yes, despite the Left's demonization of the term, there really are evil people that hold all kinds of different beliefs. OMG, there are even evil leftists, just study history.

 

[Vic]

This false characterization is so far from reality that I wonder if you are stuck inside some kind of bubble. Maybe you need to go on a road trip.

Are you denying that a prominent Republican congressperson called the separation of church and state a joke?

 

[crashtech]

I'm assuming that this is the same subject that the Verge reported on? The WSJ is paywalled for me.

There is a quote in it that's pretty depressing.

Judge Terry A. Doughty says "The Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the Government has used its power to silence the opposition. Opposition to COVID-19 vaccines; opposition to COVID-19 masking and lockdowns; opposition to the lab-leak theory of COVID-19; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Biden’s policies; statements that the Hunter Biden laptop story was true; and opposition to policies of the government officials in power. All were suppressed. It is quite telling that each example or category of suppressed speech was conservative in nature. This targeted suppression of conservative ideas is a perfect example of viewpoint discrimination of political speech."

Those are conservative ideas? Vaccine denial, election results denial...
Not fiscal policy, or America's place in the world. But border line looney tunes conspiracy theories.
That's where conservative values are now.

Are you denying that a prominent Republican congressperson called the separation of church and state a joke?

If this is true, they are full of shit. I'm not a Republican anyway, I'm someone who is essentially without representation at this point. I represent myself only.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yes, despite the Left's demonization of the term, there really are evil people that hold all kinds of different beliefs. OMG, there are even evil leftists, just study history.

Leftists isn't really a thing unless you are trying to other every one that doesn't agree with you.

 

[Vic]

Yes, despite the Left's demonization of the term, there really are evil people that hold all kinds of different beliefs. OMG, there are even evil leftists, just study history.

I don't disagree that there evil leftists, nor did I ever say there weren't. The issue here is that you're doing everything you possibly can to distract from the fact that there are evil right-wingers who want to turn America into a religious theocracy in violation of the 1a.
The only logical explanations for your behavior in this regard are 1) you're a troll or 2) you're one of the 54% of Republican who support religious theocracy.

 

[crashtech]

I'm assuming that this is the same subject that the Verge reported on? The WSJ is paywalled for me.

There is a quote in it that's pretty depressing.

Judge Terry A. Doughty says "The Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the Government has used its power to silence the opposition. Opposition to COVID-19 vaccines; opposition to COVID-19 masking and lockdowns; opposition to the lab-leak theory of COVID-19; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Biden’s policies; statements that the Hunter Biden laptop story was true; and opposition to policies of the government officials in power. All were suppressed. It is quite telling that each example or category of suppressed speech was conservative in nature. This targeted suppression of conservative ideas is a perfect example of viewpoint discrimination of political speech."

Those are conservative ideas? Vaccine denial, election results denial...
Not fiscal policy, or America's place in the world. But border line looney tunes conspiracy theories.
That's where conservative values are

Leftists isn't really a thing unless you are trying to other every one that doesn't agree with you.

So the right isn't a thing either, then? Or is it okay to "other" selectively?

 

[Vic]

If this is true, they are full of shit. I'm not a Republican anyway, I'm someone who is essentially without representation at this point. I represent myself only.

And once again we must discuss your feels rather than the thread topic.

 

[crashtech]

I don't disagree that there evil leftists, nor did I ever say there weren't. The issue here is that you're doing everything you possibly can to distract from the fact that there are evil right-wingers who want to turn America into a religious theocracy in violation of the 1a.
The only logical explanations for your behavior in this regard are 1) you're a troll or 2) you're one of the 54% of Republican who support religious theocracy.

Actually, I was the only idiot to take such a preposterous supposition seriously.
IF it ever threatened to become reality, you and I would be fighting side by side to oppose it, that's how confident I am that it's a silly lefty fever dream.

 

[crashtech]

And once again we must discuss your feels rather than the thread topic.

Wow, so sorry I tried to become a person to you. I will stop that after this pot.

 

[Vic]

Leftists isn't really a thing unless you are trying to other every one that doesn't agree with you.

It's also relevant IMO to remember that the terms of right-wing and left-wing came about around the time of the French Revolution. Where those in parliament who supported the Ancien Regime of the absolute monarchy and the hereditary nobility who forcibly collected the king's taxes from the people sat to the king's right, while those who championed democracy and freedom from the king's tyranny sat to his left.
Not much has changed.

 

[soulcougher73]

This "Christian Nationalism" has nothing to do with me or anything I have argued. I will freely admit I am a very poor advocate for my point of view. So what? That says less about me than it does about this forum. No sane, intelligent conservative would be caught dead posting in such a ridiculously hostile environment.

Yet here you are.

 

[WelshBloke]

Quotes are messed up so I'll have to do it Moonie style!

Crashtech says "So the right isn't a thing either, then? Or is it okay to "other" selectively?"

Welshbloke says "the right and the left are both things, but there's a huge spectrum of thinking and policies on each side. Saying "leftists" just lumps people like Biden in with people like Corbyn and the term "leftist" then has no meaning "

 

[Vic]

Actually, I was the only idiot to take such a preposterous supposition seriously.
IF it ever threatened to become reality, you and I would be fighting side by side to oppose it, that's how confident I am that it's a silly lefty fever dream.

So you're saying that 54% of Republicans supporting Christian nationalism is a 'silly lefty fever dream?'
Yaknow... I might actually believe that if I didn't have an FB account.