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Should the (US) government ban cigarettes altogether?

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Should the US ban smokes?

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Patranus said:
Yes.

Its *my choice*.

If there is no business going to the "smoking" bars then they will go out of business. Problem solved.

Its not the role of the government to protect me from my self and hold my hand throughout my life.
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The government isn't holding anyone's hand. Stop using that cop out bullshit argument. The government and the PEOPLE WHO VOTED for these laws obviously find that the 'inconvenience' a smoker has by having to go outside is far outweighed by the health and cleanliness benefits of having every public facility in the state be smoke free. If you can't understand that I'm sorry, and if it bothers them, well then find a new habit.
 
Yes, its an addictive substance.

To prevent the complete collapse of society 😱, they should issue cigarette permits to everyone 18 and older, who want them. Then until the very last living cigarette smoker dies, cigarettes can be sold to or smoked by someone with the permit.

And I personally think pot should be completely legal.
 
SagaLore said:
Yes, its an addictive substance.

To prevent the complete collapse of society 😱, they should issue cigarette permits to everyone 18 and older, who want them. Then until the very last living cigarette smoker dies, cigarettes can be sold to or smoked by someone with the permit.

And I personally think pot should be completely legal.
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Your ideas are marvelous.

Plus, think of the money the government would soak up by charging for the permits and the yearly renewal of permits.
 
I'm all for drugs such as pot and cigarettes being legal.
However, I never buy into the, pot doesn't kill you and is less damaging to your health than cigs argument. Those arguments always seem to neglect the mental effects of the drug. Sure on pot, your body can be as healthy as ever, but the mental side effects of chronic pot usage seem to be a significant factor that is all too neglected.
 
astroidea said:
I'm all for drugs such as pot and cigarettes being legal.
However, I never buy into the, pot doesn't kill you and is less damaging to your health than cigs argument. Those arguments always seem to neglect the mental effects of the drug. Sure on pot, your body can be as healthy as ever, but the mental side effects of chronic pot usage seem to be a significant factor that is all too neglected.
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munchies?
 
astroidea said:
I'm all for drugs such as pot and cigarettes being legal.
However, I never buy into the, pot doesn't kill you and is less damaging to your health than cigs argument. Those arguments always seem to neglect the mental effects of the drug. Sure on pot, your body can be as healthy as ever, but the mental side effects of chronic pot usage seem to be a significant factor that is all too neglected.
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The idea that smoking marijuana doesn't put your at higher risk of contracting lung cancer is a myth.
 
looks like we have 84 nicotine addicts on the poll.

Patranus said:
The idea that smoking marijuana doesn't put your at higher risk of contracting lung cancer is a myth.
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I don't think this is rocket science. Most people today are smoking potent marijuana that is grown here or in canada. It really only takes 1-2 hits to get high.

1-2 hits is minuscule compared to however many hits people take off of every cigarette they smoke in a day. The difference in intake is so huge that there really is no comparison. People are also using vaporizers now, so even less burning material is introduced into the lungs.
 
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Patranus said:
The idea that smoking marijuana doesn't put your at higher risk of contracting lung cancer is a myth.
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It's not a myth according to these studies.

Cannabis smoke contains numerous carcinogens.[5][6][7] Surprisingly, an extensive study published in 2006 by Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles found that there is no significant link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.[8] The study, which involved a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) found no correlation between marijuana smoking and increased lung cancer risk, with the same being true for head and neck cancers as well. The results indicated no correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, indicating a possible therapeutic effect. Extensive cellular studies and some studies in animal models suggest that THC or cannabidiol has antitumor properties, either by encouraging programmed cell death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous, or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, or both.[9] Unlike most other studies, this one had a very large sample size and was controlled for tobacco, alcohol, and several socio-demographic factors, which likely confounded the other studies.[citation needed]

Prior, a 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients (14,033 of whom identified themselves as current smokers), also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease#cite_note-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease
 
Patranus said:
Please elaborate.

If everyone at the bar is there under their own free will and it is made clear before hand that smoking is allowed, what rights are being encroached upon?
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Workers' rights.

Is it fine for employers to offer unsafe working conditions as long as the employees agree?
 
moshquerade said:
It's not a myth according to these studies.

Cannabis smoke contains numerous carcinogens.[5][6][7] Surprisingly, an extensive study published in 2006 by Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles found that there is no significant link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.[8] The study, which involved a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) found no correlation between marijuana smoking and increased lung cancer risk, with the same being true for head and neck cancers as well. The results indicated no correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, indicating a possible therapeutic effect. Extensive cellular studies and some studies in animal models suggest that THC or cannabidiol has antitumor properties, either by encouraging programmed cell death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous, or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, or both.[9] Unlike most other studies, this one had a very large sample size and was controlled for tobacco, alcohol, and several socio-demographic factors, which likely confounded the other studies.[citation needed]

Prior, a 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients (14,033 of whom identified themselves as current smokers), also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer.[11]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease#cite_note-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease
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:hmm: The most well developed and extensive post ever? I think so...
 
We need less of a black market in this country not more. Just keep people from blowing smoke in my face (any kind) and don't go any further.
 
ch33zw1z said:
This. Not to mention all the money the gov't would lose if they banned it...
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Just think of all the money they'd gain through illegal seizures though! Once cigs are banned people will be making 10000% profit off it like cocaine, and then the money the feds find relating to the sales of it can be taxed 100%
 
moshquerade said:
It's not a myth according to these studies.

Cannabis smoke contains numerous carcinogens.[5][6][7] Surprisingly, an extensive study published in 2006 by Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles found that there is no significant link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.[8] The study, which involved a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) found no correlation between marijuana smoking and increased lung cancer risk, with the same being true for head and neck cancers as well. The results indicated no correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, indicating a possible therapeutic effect. Extensive cellular studies and some studies in animal models suggest that THC or cannabidiol has antitumor properties, either by encouraging programmed cell death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous, or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, or both.[9] Unlike most other studies, this one had a very large sample size and was controlled for tobacco, alcohol, and several socio-demographic factors, which likely confounded the other studies.[citation needed]

Prior, a 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients (14,033 of whom identified themselves as current smokers), also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease#cite_note-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease
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As a regular smoker, while I know this stuff I will tell anyone smoking anything is bad for them. If you smoke a lot you will get ash residue in your lungs. You cough it up and it looks like black chucks of tar. Smoke out of bongs or pipes a lot and you will get a build up. It's not pretty.
 
HAL9000 said:
This is the type of thing that bothers me, it's like saying "Who am I to tell someone not to fire a gun in public" If I don't like it, I should move out of the firing line.

It's not the people around that should conform to someones hobby, it's the person with the hobby that should conform to everyone else's needs. Apologies on how much this mirrors your post.
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It's nice to see that in England they've stopped trying to deny their utter disregard for personal liberty.
 
actuarial said:
Workers' rights.

Is it fine for employers to offer unsafe working conditions as long as the employees agree?
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Yes.

Its just another requirement of the job.

Would you claim workers rights if a stripper bitched because they had to get necked?
 
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