Test scores are private. Taking extra time on a test would be obvious to everyone. One of these two situations will always end with punk kids who thinks its funny to cut people down. The other wont.
Im sorry but i remember what its like to be a kid and they will make fun of you for ANYTHING they can. It's really lame and annoying but it's a fact of life. I would want my child to develop self worth on more important things than test scores.
At my law school...people with ADHD get 1.5 extra hours on a 3 hour exam. It sux, cuz people are scrambling to finish (law school exams are built to be time-pressured). It's also unfair because they compete w/in the same forced curve, too (so the better they do, the crappier everyone else does), and grades are very very important. Oh and professors don't know which student had ADHD or not, they're graded blindly. I don't think they need the extra time either because I know of one student who has ADHD, but refused to take the extra 1.5 hours and he did very very well regardless.
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alkemyst
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I think everyone here is in agreement. However, like I had said ADHD is a cruel one because the kid knows they can do it....just need more time to do it. Whereas the Down's kid, or blind kid, or deaf, etc knows they just can't. One nice thing is even with the worst handicaps there is usually always something a kid can excel in...even on a national / worldwide level.
I am a realist....I do dream too...but I tend to dream about things impropable not impossible (my level of impossible is a very very high one though)....
The sad and real fact is when a child needs a special concession that's fine, I am all for that. I am not saying that ADHD kids are useless in our society just as I don't think all the deaf and blind should be outcast. However, if a special concession is made then that concession has to be made clear and definite. So perhaps a ADHD kid can share the same classroom, get to use a calculator, or an open book....that's fine, but that has to be clearly noted on their transcripts that they got a special advantage and even then most jobs are only asking GPA and school (some don't even ask GPA)....so now that kid may be able to say I have a Havard Bachelor's and perhaps list with Honors or Very Honors. To say that would be impossible is not valid because it is very easy to get that special 'designation' and if it is widely known that that designation also brings very large advantages you are going to have that population grow.
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If tests in college are only about knowledge, then everyone should be able to take an untimed test. The time allowed is as big a part of the test as the questions asked. Especially when you get into situations where the tests are designed so that you cannot answer every question in the given time
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The main goal of college is not so much knowledge, but rather showing the completion of a [supposedly] difficult task. They keep dumbing down college though as they are allowing more and more in, as more and more get in, they have to dumb it down more as "it's not fair to fail someone trying". Tests are just the only practical meter for the process.
For most degrees you learn your field post-degree. Even doctors don't know really how to be doctors until residency.
I say go back to the days where some idiot was babbling on in Queuing Theory misusing theories and statements from pre-requisites until the professor halts him, and then escorts him to the 'humanities' class next door telling him to really think about what the right major would be for them.
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ADD is a fscking joke. I find it extraordinary that a recent generation has such a higher proliferation of a 'disease' than prior ones.
I especially loved the 'adult ADD' commercials they were playing on the radio last month.
I especially loved the 'adult ADD' commercials they were playing on the radio last month.
What ever happened to simply accepting your shortcomings, working hard to overcome them on a level playing field and working to prove people wrong when they think they're right?
Far too many people today settle for second best because they aren't willing to put in the effort. Now, I'm not saying that all situations apply, but most people are content being "handed" things today. I guess I just have too much drive, determination and grit to ever allow these things to be acceptable. If I lost both my legs tomorrow, I'd be the best damn wheelchair guy in town. Determination and self-drive have been neutered from our children by the media and the medical field. We live in a world of pessimism now where doctors tell people they're 90% likely to never walk again all the time.
Far too many people today settle for second best because they aren't willing to put in the effort. Now, I'm not saying that all situations apply, but most people are content being "handed" things today. I guess I just have too much drive, determination and grit to ever allow these things to be acceptable. If I lost both my legs tomorrow, I'd be the best damn wheelchair guy in town. Determination and self-drive have been neutered from our children by the media and the medical field. We live in a world of pessimism now where doctors tell people they're 90% likely to never walk again all the time.
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No, ADHD is bullsh!t. And I've even been diagnosed with it several times, first time when I was a kid and they still called it ADD. Crock of sh!t excuse for people with a lack of discipline and a great way for pharmaceuticals to sell pills.
Extra time? Hell no, I always finished the test first.
Extra time? Hell no, I always finished the test first.
The drug companies are evil. Drugs are prescribed for many ailments where a change in diet, lifetstyle, or the use of vitamins/supplements would solve the problem without the side effects.
That's what spending $200,000,000/yr on lobbying gets you.
I didn't know that law students with ADHD got extra time on tests. It's worse than I thought.
Funny, I was diagnosed with ADD or ADHD (one of the two). I made A's & B's in HS and got a good SAT score. Currently attending a high ranking school. Sounds to me like your daugter has problems other than her ADHD.
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Hey ripper
As you know, like you, mine go to private school and they don't get these "breaks" yet. The retarded children are with thier own kind and the ADD, ADHD, whatever; if uncontrollable are kicked out. Personally I think we should greatly increase the complexity of the tests accross the board. Time should be decided by professors/test makers test time x 2, no exceptions.
In the test of life you don't get extra time, why start teaching bad habits at an immpressionable age?
As you know, like you, mine go to private school and they don't get these "breaks" yet. The retarded children are with thier own kind and the ADD, ADHD, whatever; if uncontrollable are kicked out. Personally I think we should greatly increase the complexity of the tests accross the board. Time should be decided by professors/test makers test time x 2, no exceptions.
In the test of life you don't get extra time, why start teaching bad habits at an immpressionable age?
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Coming from someone that doesn't even know WTF they have, I say STFU!....Also for anyone that can't post what the SAT score was or what the so called high-ranking school is I call BS. Some do end up with a 1500 going to Princeton, but I have found good = 1100-1200 (this is based on scores around 1989) and high ranking to be their local state school which also has one college or so in the Top 100 (unfortunately the person bragging is usually in different college than was ranked at the university).
ADD/ADHD and whatever else they decide to call them are real 'diseases' (I hate that word to describe them). There are huge differences in someone mildly affected and another majorly. Also there is a ton of people 'claiming' it and then knowing they are lying to begin with, acting like it's no big deal
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Funny, I tell mine when riding thier dirtbikes, taking tests, or doing anything "if you're not crashing you're not improving" (IE pushing themselves to thier maximum potential and they don't know that until they have a couple "spills" to prove it and learn from the mistakes) With children IMO the more you raise the bar, embrace failure on that premise, the more they will excel to meet it and once they do an overwheling rush of personal satisfaction is realised internally by the child. JMO of course. But lowering expectations only hurts the child.
I think ADD children are high IQ kids and board stiff by not being challanged in school and at home and the results are a child who has the behavior problems discribed by ADD/ADHD.
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Or you could just do like my dad, 2 swats for a D, 5 for an F.
HE did'nt have the time nor the money for "extensive" "elegant" analysis with 6 hellraisers and corporal punishment was a very effective "attitude adjustment" and "grade inflation" tool. Maybe he got the idea from Bo sephus.Originally posted by: alkemyst
Coming from someone that doesn't even know WTF they have, I say STFU!....Also for anyone that can't post what the SAT score was or what the so called high-ranking school is I call BS. Some do end up with a 1500 going to Princeton, but I have found good = 1100-1200 (this is based on scores around 1989) and high ranking to be their local state school which also has one college or so in the Top 100 (unfortunately the person bragging is usually in different college than was ranked at the university).
ADD/ADHD and whatever else they decide to call them are real 'diseases' (I hate that word to describe them). There are huge differences in someone mildly affected and another majorly. Also there is a ton of people 'claiming' it and then knowing they are lying to begin with, acting like it's no big deal
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I was diagnosed in early elementary school, which is why about 18 years later I don't remember which one it was. Heck, ADHD might not have even been invented yet. For the record, I graduated with honors (3.5+ GPA), 1300 on the SAT (first & only try), and am attending Colorado School of Mines (which you would have been able to figure out if you read my profile).
My point was that ADD/ADHD doesn't keep anyone down, unless they choose that it will. My parents took my diagnosis to mean that they needed to push me harder to do better in school, and not let me have the idea in my head that "ADD was keeping me down".
I've had my fair share of difficulties in school, I'm sure many of which had something to do with ADD. Did it stop me? No. Am I going to cry and whine and ask for leniancy on tests? No.
EDIT: If you want to claim a disease, claim alcoholism. That's a great f$@#ing disease. Dennis Miller
By the way, these two kids go to school in affluent suburbs and have parents who are PhDs.
One of the parents constantly complains about all of the advantages that minorites have.
Sheesh!
Originally posted by: Zebo
Hey ripper
As you know, like you, mine go to private school and they don't get these "breaks" yet. The retarded children are with thier own kind and the ADD, ADHD, whatever; if uncontrollable are kicked out. Personally I think we should greatly increase the complexity of the tests accross the board. Time should be decided by professors/test makers test time x 2, no exceptions.
In the test of life you don't get extra time, why start teaching bad habits at an immpressionable age?
Yup, at my Catholic high school about 10-15% were weeded out the first year. Some left voluntarily because they didn't fit in or couldn't deal with the academics/discipline and others were thrown out.
School can be a blast when you don't have to deal with misecreants.
Agreed 100%!!! The world needs ditch diggers too. (It's just a saying people)
I was going to post something similiar until I saw you post, very nice!!
If ADHD were real (at the very least it's way, way over diagnosed), I don't think that I'd want to hire a trial lawyer who had ADHD or have a surgeon with ADHD operate on me.
If they can't take a timed test in the alloted time, do I want to put my life (figuritively or literally) in their hands?
If they can't take a timed test in the alloted time, do I want to put my life (figuritively or literally) in their hands?
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