I edited the title since I was refering to students who had ADHD getting more time, not students with physical disabilities.
Nevertheless, what I said still applies. I never intepreted for physical dissabilities (I thought it was implied learning ones).
You are absolutely right (although his A, B, C, and D's don't look like normal people's A., B, C & D's). There are a LOT of different things to try, but welcome to the wonderful world of Special Ed, where you get whatever the powers-that-be say you get. Actual useful creative thinking and good ideas are nowhere to be found.
The easy way would be to give him a bigger score sheet with bigger circles and more room between them, so that his sloppiness wouldn't matter. Or let him use a marker instead of a pencil, so that he can make a dot instead of fill in a circle. Or let him take it on the computer, which he can manage easily. But no . . . . .
SarcasticDwarf
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At earlier age, it is diagnosed by talking with people that the child interacts with on a daily basis. Teachers in particular take a major role. The doctor takes into consideration what everyone has said about him. Because the child is with many people on a daily basis, the doctor can rule out abnormalities (such as a class the child hates, etc). Of COURSE many students are put on at the advice of the teachers. Do you think children go home and have their mental and social abilities put to the test the entire time they are at home? School is the place where the behaviors are most likely to be noticeable (just like work is where the behaviors will be visible later in life).
As an adult, the testing is simply the doctor asking you to rate yourself in dozens of categories.
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minendo
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Once again, no. You changed your original question so I figured I would reanswer.
Personally, I see ADHD as being a bullsh!t diagnosis. Just about anyone could be easily told they have ADHD and get the pills to make them concentrate.
Even if they truly have ADHD, a time limit is given for a reason. In the real world, you have deadlines and these are not extended because someone is slow.
Unless you plan on repealing the Americans With Disabilities Act(ADA), it is the law... Theres really no debating it. There are certain people with certain disabilities, that should get more time. Tests in college are to test your knowledge, not your quickness.
Yes. I also have a lawyer, several doctors and therapists, and a team of educational consultants. I wish I were joking.
Yes, but certain tests to determine which college you go to, and what scholarships you get are based on how smart you are while working quickly. The SAT is timed for a reason. Everyone could get 1600 if they had unlimited time.
I think if a child has ADD or ADHD, they should not be put in the same class with children who at a different level then them. When I was in high school, the people who had ADD and ADHD were in a special program (along with others with different learning disabilities)
Yeah, but Im talking about university level already, not SAT tests.
In any even the SAT, ACT, and SAT IIs are jokes. All standardized tests are jokes, except for the GMAT, LSAT, MCAT, and some of the other professional tests.
alkemyst
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Then you know what, give everyone the extra time.
It'd be like us fighting a weaker country and saying ok we won't use that tank, or that fighter jet, or ... or ...
This is life and unfortunately not everyone should be the doctor, lawyer, physist, chemist, etc just because they and their parents want them to be. It's getting ridiculous. I will agree it's sad, but so are a lot of things in this world. What next? Are employers going to have to hire x amount of mental midgets like affirmative action tried to get done with minorities?
Some times you just got to settle to be the pawn and not the King.
I cannot ever play pro football, or win an Extreme fighting event....nor can I currently be a practicing engineer or MD....however I am not going to cry bloody murder that because I want it, I deserve it and just because I don't measure up you can't withhold that from me.
And that's the issue....these students do not measure up and should be cast aside. A bright 8th grader can pass college calc if given enough time and chances....it's doubtful he will have the mental maturity to handle more than problems and trivial matters, and more often than not that is all school is attempting to teach....the trivial things. If you can't handle that at a brisk pace when you get in the real world and have a 1 hour crunch to get something to production you can't call a time out to think longer.
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I know they are all jokes, but they get you into college. The people who get extra time are factored into the same curve as everyone else, which means it really screws everything up.
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How much an advantage would having more time to take a test provide? The only test taking experiences, I can remember where time was a factor was when I was not prepared for them. Otherwise I have always completed a test before the time allotted and usually had time to review my answers
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Brings up an interesting point...
I've got an ADHD daughter, life's going to be sort of difficult for her, why not give her a little break while she's in school? Or is it good for her to feel like an utter failure because she'd only earn D's & F's in school?
Life tends to use the same yardstick to measure everyone, what does it matter if seh takes 1/2 hour to complete a standardized test? It's not like she's going to be competing for a high paying job with anyone.
I'm personally aware of two kids who were given more time on the SAT because they supposedly have ADHD.
One scored a 1280.
I don't know what the other scored, but he's attending a first-tier university.
Their "ADHD" hasn't seemed to hurt them much. It appears that it gave them an edge.
One scored a 1280.
I don't know what the other scored, but he's attending a first-tier university.
Their "ADHD" hasn't seemed to hurt them much. It appears that it gave them an edge.
I think it is fine to give them extra time when the test is short enough that the average normal person can finish it in the time given. On the test that are like 7 hours long but your only given 50 minutes then I don't think they should get more time. Simple because how much extra time do they need to cancel out their ADHD.
Exactly. The person I mentioned whoe claims to have ADHD is number one in the grade. Now from what I have read about ADHD, it would be very hard to be able to maintain that high of a GPA while having ADHD.
alkemyst
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This is not just a bash at you....however it won't be what you'd like to hear. It's not an attack on you or your family.
First I will assume the ADHD diagnosis is a proper one, doctors are quick to say a kid has it and get them on 1 of several pills they get paid will to 'recommend'. I witness a lot of normal kid behavior and a lot more impatient parents...some of the things I hear parents say to kids is ridiculous and terrible. Some of the acquantances I know will mentions things like "my kids are too hyper, I need to get them on Ritalin...honey we should see about that...I don't think they are normal" This is all said as the kids run around free reign...no one telling them no, or stop that, or anything...just they aren't normal let's drug them so we don't have to deal with it. I am not saying you did this....I am just saying that is a typical situation.
Second...it's really not about making them feel an utter failure....it's not also about making them feel they are 'normal'...the facts are a lot of these ADHD kids are using the system to give them an advantage and yes, compete and take those high-paying jobs. ADHD does not show up on anything you apply for a job with, nor does the fact that for every A you have you got second-chances and more time. Sad fact of life is some have one arm, some are blind, some can't hear, some can't even remember their names.....they're each on different levels, but the sad truth is they are handicapped and can never compete with a double armed, sighted, hearing, smart kid at certain things and at others could even learn to excel. Another sad part is the ADHD kid comes very close to being totally normal, yet falls short....but unlike the kid that knows he can't remember his name, they know they can do just about anything if given more time to think. On that same note, the normal kid too can usually do better if given more time. The time just raises the bar and the ADHD kid basically gets to dictate their head start.
It's sort of upsetting if you have multiple kids to say you need to go to this school or take this 'special' class to this one. Also perhaps they may get lumped into the same group as the kids with more obvious problems (the drooling, barely coherent kids...that can at least learn somethings and if anything enjoy the stimulation school brings.).....
There just is only so many tax dollars....however ADHD is a large minority of children now at all age groups. Perhaps there can be a classroom for them, it would take a special teacher capable of multiple subjects and they probably wouldn't change classes like the other kids. Things like gym, perhaps musics, etc could allow the ADHD kids to mingle in....but again there shouldn't be a special classification for them.
When I was a kid there were kids that just didn't get picked until the very end every time....I still know some of those....some made lives quite well for themselves and others are doing ok, but still sort of that last picked kid. For the most part they all seem to accept their lives and appeared happy. Nowadays there is even-odd selection....a kid may be on that 'winning' team alot, however in real life they will find out their is no winning team for them and instead of accepting what's normal they now have the damage of knowing what they are missing.
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alkemyst
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ADHD effects people differently. Another reason it's hard to just say all ADHD kids should get +15 mins for this and +20 mins for that....I have even heard of allowing them open books on a closed book test.
Then you will also and probably already do have parents and kids getting those ADHD diagnosises in order to gain advantage. You have mother's pouring their coffees on competing kids in beauty contests 'accidentally' cheating the educational system would not be a stretch.
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To me, the part I bolded is disgusting. If I were in a class where someone who had ADHD was allowed open book on a test where eevery other person in the class was closed book, I would walk out, and immediately go to my guidance counselor, principle, or dean to get my class changed. Maybe I am saying this because I am in High School and have the luxury of having the same class scheduled for the same period just taught by different teachers, but to me that is unacceptable. Also, that second part of your statement makes sense. Parents that want to give there kids an unfair advantage will go to any length to do this.
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