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Linux23

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aimster
It doesn't happen all the time? Maybe if you are new to the job, but it does happen all the time.
You try driving 15 minutes to give someone a pizza knowing they won't tip you and then you have to drive all the way back because you have another 3 orders in the back of your car and you know the second you walk into the store you will have another 5 orders that are already 30minutes late.

As for me getting fired, lol no. The managers have all been drivers and they do not care about the customers. They care about their food cost and how much of a bonus they will get. The only customers they care about are the ones who order in bulk (schools, businesses, etc).

If you know someone is not going to tip you and you are trying to make money I bet you then you will do something to the pizza. You might not.... I didnt do anything for the longest time until I learned that there are people out there like you. If you honestly think your pizza does not have extra toppings because people have 'ethics" then enjoy the pizza or the restaurant you occasionaly go to that you don't tip.

i like this guys style.
 

tokamak

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Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:
 

daclayman

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I am in awe of these shenanigans proposed by Aimster; I've done the cool-downs, I retain a bottom 10 list, I don't carry pocket change to Section 8 neighborhoods and make them look for the change (cuz they gotzta have that nickel back). I have never done any physical damage to any property over the 12+ years of delivery I've put in. You must be a troll because you couldn't hide these attitudes whilst driving back to the store or even while dealing with the next customer and retain your job. I do do questionable activities but spit is never one of them. I can agree that the pizza shops are all about sales/hour and $10 pizzas to BFE are not going to pay the bills. Here's one I like to use: If you're delivering to a customer you really don't want to be a customer anymore, use the cool down method and deliver the pizza in way less than the amounted time. The customer should (a) call and complain about a cold pizza that got delivered in 30 minutes or less or (b) order less or from another company because they can't seem to figure out why a pizza is cold after a 30 minute delivery. In situation (a) if they call the store, give the manager a sheepish look when you return and tell him/her that these people are just scammers; works every time. In situation (b) who cares; if customers like poor service, I'll keep delivering to them because my company still gets their money. No spit is ever necessary. Also, when a customer is undesirable, keep them guessing. Get there super fast, knock quietly or not all and leave a note saying you were there and finish up your other deliveries, then return to the store saying their doorbell didn't work or the customer wouldn't answer. There's a ton of ways to frustrate unwanted customers legally.
:disgust:
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:



Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.


 

Nebor

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I delivered to this rich family and they ordered 5 pizzas and I didnt get a tip and on the way out guess where my key went.. on their brand new BMW X5.

If I saw you key my car, I would shoot you, no doubt. Not to say that these no-tippers are right... but there's no situation that justifies fvcking with someone's car.

Any no-tippers should also be shot.

Offer the delivery man a coke, not money.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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I don't really have a problem with Aimster's tactics... I think it's funny to keep a list of the bad people... I think that if they know you're a bad customer, and you've justified that title, then you deserve whatever you may get.

I also think that pizza delivery places should adopt what many restaraunts have, that is, the right to refuse service. If you've had particular customers before, and don't want to wait on them again, you don't have to. And if there comes a time when ALL the servers in your restaraunt have waited on them, and don't want to do it again, then the manager has to ask them to leave, and not come back. I know Benigans has it, I only wish other restaraunts did. I get tired of sitting at a table, and hearing some asshat next to me run a server back and forth getting things, one at a time, and berating them the entire time. Then when they're done, they complain to the manager, in hopes of getting a free meal.

I really just hate cheap people. Seriously. Tip waiters and drivers! Tip taxi drivers! Tip airline pilots (should you get the chance!) Buy the 256mb video card! Cheap bastards.
 

Aimster

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My store is run by an 18 year old kid. We have 6 drivers on a Friday night and we usually get 40-60 orders an hour for delivery. That means total screw up with people being a-holes about why I didn't drive any faster.

As far as me talking to the customers I do and I bring them their newspapers. I even see regulars around and I make a short conversation with them.

True you don't have to tip and if you really want people to follow your logic then you will be seeing $2.00-$3.00 delivery charges for your pizza. I know most companies do $.50- $1.00 delivery charge and the sad part is that that money doesn't even go to the driver.

Like I said give the delivery guy a tip. It will help you. Not giving a tip is just basically saying you have a low-class job and you are scum and I made you drive all the way over here to give me my pizza when you could of been working as an insider making $10.00/hour. Laugh in your face. You work hard and you give people respect one should get and you expect the same level of respect back. Having someone give you no tip and then smiling about it is just not a good feeling at all. If you do not want to tip then get your lazy ass off the couch and go pick it up yourself. You keep saying it is not a hard job right? So why are you non-tippers so lazy to get off the couch and go get your own pizza!

Delivery guys get paid Squat. Pizza business = money. They drive to make tips. Insiders make $8-12/hour.
 

styrafoam

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I have only had Airborne Express "deliver" to my house once- I checked the tracking on the day I expected the package to arrive and it said out for delivery. It doesn't come that day. The next day I checked the tracking and it say "attempted delivery on xx/xx/xxxx @ xx:xx, will re-attempt in 24hrs." I was home all day though? In the mail that day I got a notice that there was a package requiring a signature waiting to be picked up at the post office. As far as I could tell they took it straight to the P.O.
 

Saulbadguy

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Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:


Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.

What the hell? Does this guy think he is gods gift to restaurants? Im sorry man..you aren't the only customer in the place, and you arent the only one ordering a pizza. Don't expect the BEST service unless you pay for it. Ordering a pizza from a pizza place doesn't justify expecting the best service, as going to your local denny's and thinking your food will come out steaming hot, all fresh ingredients, on a silver platter also does not. I think you should lower your expectations, and be glad someone is providing you this service. You are cheap, thats all there is to it.
 

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:


Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.

What the hell? Does this guy think he is gods gift to restaurants? Im sorry man..you aren't the only customer in the place, and you arent the only one ordering a pizza. Don't expect the BEST service unless you pay for it. Ordering a pizza from a pizza place doesn't justify expecting the best service, as going to your local denny's and thinking your food will come out steaming hot, all fresh ingredients, on a silver platter also does not. I think you should lower your expectations, and be glad someone is providing you this service. You are cheap, thats all there is to it.

He is just a random jackass trying to get a rise from people. Maybe one day he will move out of the sticks and learn something....
 

Ness

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Jul 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: Phocas
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:


Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.

What the hell? Does this guy think he is gods gift to restaurants? Im sorry man..you aren't the only customer in the place, and you arent the only one ordering a pizza. Don't expect the BEST service unless you pay for it. Ordering a pizza from a pizza place doesn't justify expecting the best service, as going to your local denny's and thinking your food will come out steaming hot, all fresh ingredients, on a silver platter also does not. I think you should lower your expectations, and be glad someone is providing you this service. You are cheap, thats all there is to it.

He is just a random jackass trying to get a rise from people. Maybe one day he will move out of the sticks and learn something....



No. I'm not a random jackass. Thanks anyway.

I never said I was God's gift to restaurants, I know that when I'm paying for something, I damn well better get what I'm paying for. It doesn't take much effort to get the service that you deserve, and that's the least of what people should do. THE ABSOLUTE LEAST. If someone is getting paid to do a job, and not doing it, then there is something wrong there. I understand if someone is bogged down and had a lot to do. All I'm saying, (and you guys refuse to understand this concept) is that I AM NOT giving away any extra money to people who do only what they are already being paid to do. Why should I? Where's the logic in that. Hey! Let's tip the garbage men! They put stinky trash in a truck on hot summer days! Let's tip doctors! They save people's lives!
 

Saulbadguy

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Jan 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: Phocas
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:


Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.

What the hell? Does this guy think he is gods gift to restaurants? Im sorry man..you aren't the only customer in the place, and you arent the only one ordering a pizza. Don't expect the BEST service unless you pay for it. Ordering a pizza from a pizza place doesn't justify expecting the best service, as going to your local denny's and thinking your food will come out steaming hot, all fresh ingredients, on a silver platter also does not. I think you should lower your expectations, and be glad someone is providing you this service. You are cheap, thats all there is to it.

He is just a random jackass trying to get a rise from people. Maybe one day he will move out of the sticks and learn something....



No. I'm not a random jackass. Thanks anyway.

I never said I was God's gift to restaurants, I know that when I'm paying for something, I damn well better get what I'm paying for. It doesn't take much effort to get the service that you deserve, and that's the least of what people should do. THE ABSOLUTE LEAST. If someone is getting paid to do a job, and not doing it, then there is something wrong there. I understand if someone is bogged down and had a lot to do. All I'm saying, (and you guys refuse to understand this concept) is that I AM NOT giving away any extra money to people who do only what they are already being paid to do. Why should I? Where's the logic in that. Hey! Let's tip the garbage men! They put stinky trash in a truck on hot summer days! Let's tip doctors! They save people's lives!

Bad analogy. The difference there is..garbage men dont use their own trucks/gas to pick up your trash, and they make pretty good money for what they do. However, I did tip them (usually with a cold drink or cookies) if they removed large items for me (furniture). Doctors..how is that even a comparison to pizza delivery drivers /waiters? Its just being nice. If you choose not to be nice and curteous, that is your choice. It will eventually come back to you.

PS..you remind me of all the senile old folks around this town that think the world is there to serve and attend to their needs. This isn't the 50's, the customer is not always right, and you won't always have it your way.

 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I don't really have a problem with Aimster's tactics... I think it's funny to keep a list of the bad people... I think that if they know you're a bad customer, and you've justified that title, then you deserve whatever you may get.

I also think that pizza delivery places should adopt what many restaraunts have, that is, the right to refuse service. If you've had particular customers before, and don't want to wait on them again, you don't have to. And if there comes a time when ALL the servers in your restaraunt have waited on them, and don't want to do it again, then the manager has to ask them to leave, and not come back. I know Benigans has it, I only wish other restaraunts did. I get tired of sitting at a table, and hearing some asshat next to me run a server back and forth getting things, one at a time, and berating them the entire time. Then when they're done, they complain to the manager, in hopes of getting a free meal.

I really just hate cheap people. Seriously. Tip waiters and drivers! Tip taxi drivers! Tip airline pilots (should you get the chance!) Buy the 256mb video card! Cheap bastards.



No one deserves to have their food to be tampered with. That is downright nasty. No one deserves to have their life ruined because they don't tip a pizza guy. That is the most f'ed up logic I've EVER heard.

I'm all for places refusing service to rude customers.

When I said I want my pizza just out the oven and I want it there early before I give a tip... that was just to say that I want good service. I'm not expecting a silver platter. I'm not stupid. But I do expect what I want to be there as I was told, and I expect it done in a friendly manner. Everyone should. There's no excuse for anything less, but if you have one you'd like to pass off, go ahead and try me.

The problem that you people seem to have is that you settle for second best when you are paying for the best. Call me a cheap ass if you want, but I'm not giving away my money just because YOU think you deserve it.





 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

PS..you remind me of all the senile old folks around this town that think the world is there to serve and attend to their needs. This isn't the 50's, the customer is not always right, and you won't always have it your way.



And why not? Simply because people don't expect it, and they are letting second-rate fly.

 

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: Phocas
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: tokamak
Originally posted by: ness1469
Ahhh!!! But you fail to realize that waiters and waitresses get paid a lesser salary because they make tips. I'm more than happy to tip them, because that's why they make usually less than half of the minimum wage. And again, I will be more than happy to tip more than the expected 15% if the service is above-standard. However, I'm not the kind of person to stiff someone a tip. I'm more happy complaining about the service and knowing something will get done than keeping food out of the mouths of a waitress.

As for bellhops and doormen... never had to deal with them. I guess we'll see should the situation arrive.

actually i do realize that. i have been a waiter. i made $2.13 an hour. my job was to take orders and serve drinks and food. by your earlier logic, that means you would not tip me for doing so. but now you say you would. that leads me to believe that what you really mean is that you tip those who make less than the minimum wage. so, hypothetically speaking, if they passed some law that allowed super market tellers to be paid $1 an hour, would you tip them as well? im so confused...:confused:


Gratuity is a restaurants way of saying that they are rewarding you for being able to get more customers in and out of their restaurant, thus earning them more money. So, in order to keep this process rolling, gratuity has become an expected part of restraunt dining. Federal and state (maybe just state?) say that if you work at a job where gratuity is a given, then the employer is only required to pay you half of minimum wage, and if you don't make up the difference in tips (which means making less than 3 dollars per hour) then the employer is required to pay the difference. Obviously, having been a waiter, you know this. I have no problem tiping at a place where tips are expected to make the difference between minimum wage and below the normal wage.

Which is exactly why I don't tip pizza people for standard service. They are already getting paid what they should be paid to do the job they are supposed to do. If they do any better, I will tip. But simply doing your job is nothing short of expected. If Pizza places fell into the category where they could employ people for half of minimum wage, then I would tip them everytime. But that is not the case.

Another example: On many military bases the grocery store baggers work for tips alone. No paycheck at all. I tip them, even if it's just a buck. Making one dollar for bagging groceries for a minute or two is well worth it. Better rate than the kids trying to save for college busting their humps at fast food restaurants. If the baggers were being paid, I would not tip, because they are already being paid to bag groceries. I don't see the logic behind paying them to do a job they are already being paid for. And, once again, if they go beyond the job they are being paid to do, I make sure they are paid for portion of the job they did.

What the hell? Does this guy think he is gods gift to restaurants? Im sorry man..you aren't the only customer in the place, and you arent the only one ordering a pizza. Don't expect the BEST service unless you pay for it. Ordering a pizza from a pizza place doesn't justify expecting the best service, as going to your local denny's and thinking your food will come out steaming hot, all fresh ingredients, on a silver platter also does not. I think you should lower your expectations, and be glad someone is providing you this service. You are cheap, thats all there is to it.

He is just a random jackass trying to get a rise from people. Maybe one day he will move out of the sticks and learn something....



No. I'm not a random jackass. Thanks anyway.

I never said I was God's gift to restaurants, I know that when I'm paying for something, I damn well better get what I'm paying for. It doesn't take much effort to get the service that you deserve, and that's the least of what people should do. THE ABSOLUTE LEAST. If someone is getting paid to do a job, and not doing it, then there is something wrong there. I understand if someone is bogged down and had a lot to do. All I'm saying, (and you guys refuse to understand this concept) is that I AM NOT giving away any extra money to people who do only what they are already being paid to do. Why should I? Where's the logic in that. Hey! Let's tip the garbage men! They put stinky trash in a truck on hot summer days! Let's tip doctors! They save people's lives!

Bad analogy. The difference there is..garbage men dont use their own trucks/gas to pick up your trash, and they make pretty good money for what they do. However, I did tip them (usually with a cold drink or cookies) if they removed large items for me (furniture). Doctors..how is that even a comparison to pizza delivery drivers /waiters? Its just being nice. If you choose not to be nice and curteous, that is your choice. It will eventually come back to you.

PS..you remind me of all the senile old folks around this town that think the world is there to serve and attend to their needs. This isn't the 50's, the customer is not always right, and you won't always have it your way.

Yes you are a jackass.
If you lived in a real city you would realize that pizza/chinese/etc delivery guys/gals do work for tips. Thats why most of the time they do get minimum wage to use their cars to deliver. Not all pizza places charge extra for delivery, you ignorant fvcktard. Just shut your hole until you know what you are talking about.
 

Saulbadguy

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Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

PS..you remind me of all the senile old folks around this town that think the world is there to serve and attend to their needs. This isn't the 50's, the customer is not always right, and you won't always have it your way.



And why not? Simply because people don't expect it, and they are letting second-rate fly.

From what you have said, you only tip the pizza guy if he provides exceptional customer service. What I draw from that is, you only tip pizza guys if they go above and beyond. I think using their own vehicle, legally its uninsured when they are driving it to deliver pizzas, and using their own gas money, and dealing with people like you (unless you change my opinion some how), is above and beyond. Would they get fired if they took an hour to get you your pizza? Probably not. The fact is, you should tip them all times unless they do something that is below the normal expectation of his job. Such as..dropping the pizza in front of you, being rude, insulting you, parking in your lawn, hitting a parked car or anything in your driveway, or taking an extra long time to get it to you. I understand sometimes on a busy night things get rough, but anything over an hour is unacceptable. If they apologize for the time, I will tip them. If they do not apologize, I will not tip them, or tip them less than I usually would. Again..im just drawing conclusions from what you have said, how you expect the pizza to be hot out of the oven, and you expect the pizza guy to go above and beyond the normal call of duty (which he is anyways, but apparently not in your eyes.)
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

PS..you remind me of all the senile old folks around this town that think the world is there to serve and attend to their needs. This isn't the 50's, the customer is not always right, and you won't always have it your way.



And why not? Simply because people don't expect it, and they are letting second-rate fly.

From what you have said, you only tip the pizza guy if he provides exceptional customer service. What I draw from that is, you only tip pizza guys if they go above and beyond. I think using their own vehicle, legally its uninsured when they are driving it to deliver pizzas, and using their own gas money, and dealing with people like you (unless you change my opinion some how), is above and beyond. Would they get fired if they took an hour to get you your pizza? Probably not. The fact is, you should tip them all times unless they do something that is below the normal expectation of his job. Such as..dropping the pizza in front of you, being rude, insulting you, parking in your lawn, hitting a parked car or anything in your driveway, or taking an extra long time to get it to you. I understand sometimes on a busy night things get rough, but anything over an hour is unacceptable. If they apologize for the time, I will tip them. If they do not apologize, I will not tip them, or tip them less than I usually would. Again..im just drawing conclusions from what you have said, how you expect the pizza to be hot out of the oven, and you expect the pizza guy to go above and beyond the normal call of duty (which he is anyways, but apparently not in your eyes.)


But I don't consider using their own car going out of their way, because that's a given when you take the job.

Call me a jackass if you want, but I know what kind of service I should be getting for what I'm paying for.

 

Call me a jackass if you want, but I know what kind of service I should be getting for what I'm paying for.

Obviously you don't, maybe someday you will crawl out of the rock you are living under and see the real world.
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Phocas
Call me a jackass if you want, but I know what kind of service I should be getting for what I'm paying for.

Obviously you don't, maybe someday you will crawl out of the rock you are living under and see the real world.



Yup, mark me up there with the criminals of the world. Put me on wanted posters. I don't tip people for simply doing their job?
Maybe if you would read what I've written you would realize that I understand exactly what I want and exactly what I expect to get. Maybe you should open your eyes and realize that settling for the service people give you may not be how you want to be treated by someone you are giving money to.

I'm not ungrateful.

What's up your ass?
 

What's up your ass?

Ill tell you what's up my ass, it's corn-fed, country-fried, inbred scumbags like you that can't tip guys/gals who count on tips to make a living.
I'd like to see you survive in NYC doing sh!t like that. Fact is that you have probably not even been outside of that hilljack town to experience what the real world is like.

 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Phocas
What's up your ass?

Ill tell you what's up my ass, it's corn-fed, country-fried, inbred scumbags like you that can't tip guys/gals who count on tips to make a living.
I'd like to see you survive in NYC doing sh!t like that. Fact is that you have probably not even been outside of that hilljack town to experience what the real world is like.


Now you're just being immature about things. Just because I live in a certain town doesn't mean I'm anything. What's even funnier is that you are trying to use this as some sort of reason why I "couldn't survive" in a big city, as if I'm some sort of moron who has never been past my own front lawn.

Count on tips to make a living? That's their problem. They are already being paid. Earning tips is fine, but expecting them isn't. I don't owe it to anyone, let alone you rude little ankle-biters to pay them for anything unless they give me a reason. That's enough said, and now, seeing how RUDE you people are, I'll be more than happy to slam the door in your faces.

Aimster, I hope you deliever pizza to me, too. Then when you key my car I'll be off the hook for smashing the sh!t out of your windsheild, so you get pulled over when you are just trying to work.

You guys are babies who clearly have more money than you know what to do with. I have my reasons for doing what I do and I've given them to you clean and clear. If the best you have is to tell me that I wouldn't understand because I live in a "hiljack town" then fine by me. It goes to show that you have nothing to offer me as a reason why I should tip the driver for doing what they are supposed to do.
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: ness1469
Originally posted by: Phocas
What's up your ass?

Ill tell you what's up my ass, it's corn-fed, country-fried, inbred scumbags like you that can't tip guys/gals who count on tips to make a living.
I'd like to see you survive in NYC doing sh!t like that. Fact is that you have probably not even been outside of that hilljack town to experience what the real world is like.


Now you're just being immature about things. Just because I live in a certain town doesn't mean I'm anything. What's even funnier is that you are trying to use this as some sort of reason why I "couldn't survive" in a big city, as if I'm some sort of moron who has never been past my own front lawn.

Count on tips to make a living? That's their problem. They are already being paid. Earning tips is fine, but expecting them isn't. I don't owe it to anyone, let alone you rude little ankle-biters to pay them for anything unless they give me a reason. That's enough said, and now, seeing how RUDE you people are, I'll be more than happy to slam the door in your faces.

Aimster, I hope you deliever pizza to me, too. Then when you key my car I'll be off the hook for smashing the sh!t out of your windsheild, so you get pulled over when you are just trying to work.

You guys are babies who clearly have more money than you know what to do with. I have my reasons for doing what I do and I've given them to you clean and clear. If the best you have is to tell me that I wouldn't understand because I live in a "hiljack town" then fine by me. It goes to show that you have nothing to offer me as a reason why I should tip the driver for doing what they are supposed to do.
I bet you've had more spit, snot and other biological impurities in your restaurant food than any other person on ATOT.

Bon Appétit!

 

Pepsi90919

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It goes to show that you have nothing to offer me as a reason why I should tip the driver for doing what they are supposed to do.
you were offered a million reasons why, you just can't get past your own ignorance.