Throckmorton
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- Aug 23, 2007
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That's BS that they denied you the internship. Even the FBI only excludes you for marijuana use within the past 6 months.
Politics driven policy = LOSE
That's BS that they denied you the internship. Even the FBI only excludes you for marijuana use within the past 6 months.
Politics driven policy = LOSE
Fenixgoon
Lifer
- Jun 30, 2003
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which is why it's a good idea not to drugs ever in the first place.
people might think "oh well, so i did drugs a little... so what?" only to have it bite them in the ass in the future. steer clear of drugs ftw.
i don't mean to be condescending and say "i told you so" or something similar in nature.. just pointing out that in the DoD and related business, it pays to be squeaky clean, even though many peers might see you as boring/loser/whatever.
Polys are easy to defeat. I've been polygraphed many times and I've intentionally lied just to see if I could beat it. And I did every single time. I strongly recommend that the OP lie, because it will make him look better than someone who willingly admits to smoking pot. Think about it, who would you hire--someone who you know smokes pot, or someone who has never done drugs in his whole life? Makes sense now doesn't it.
On a govt form its better to tell the truth than perjure yourself! (then the application WILL be trashed). Its more of an honesty question if anything..........
njdevilsfan87
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- Apr 19, 2007
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Amen to that. I'm not going to argue to that. It's something I learned the hard way. Only thing I can do to make myself useful is to make myself heard. Anyone I know who is more a regular user... (and what hurts me is I *barely* ever used it) I'm going to tell them, stop... or take the chance. It's just not worth it.
I just can't believe the consequences of it... never did I see this fore coming.
Throckmorton
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- Aug 23, 2007
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I would rather hire someone who can lie and get away with it. In my profession that counts for a lot.
m1ldslide1
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Sorry to hear that man. I've had a similar experience or two, and it is a terrible feeling. Don't worry though - it'll suck in the short term, but you'll recover and it'll be a distant memory before you know it.
BeauJangles
Lifer
- Aug 26, 2001
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When applying for something similar, I was denied for using drugs within 12 months of my application. I had to wait 3 years to apply again.
I just received unescorted access to a nuclear plant last week, so I have recent experience with this stuff, they made me take a psychological evaluation and I took 3 drug tests and a breathalyser, and they called up about 10 different people I know, brought up my credit history, plus all the other stuff that you normally have like sending your fingerprints to the FBI and stuff. And I dunno about ya'lls experiences, but just statistically speaking if you lie its highly unlikely they will ever know. Fortunately I don't do drugs so I had no problem with that, but they ask you some of these psychological questions and all and sometimes its just easier to say "I love my mother" then have to go to a shrink for an hour and explain why you have good reasons not to like her etc.
I dunno, some of it is BS imo, it wouldn't be all that hard to lie and I'm sure tons of people do and nobody ever knows. Thats why they have the additional lines of defenses like the metal detectors and the bomb detectors and the radiation detectors and the scan cards and the fingerprint scanners etc that you have to go threw everytime you go into the plant. And even with that, you can't get into the control room without a shit ton more screenings on top. Still, of the 40 people who started the same time I did only 1 of them was rejected (for not paying child support), so it doesn't seem like all that many people are screened out (or else they just don't apply to begin with)
I dunno, some of it is BS imo, it wouldn't be all that hard to lie and I'm sure tons of people do and nobody ever knows. Thats why they have the additional lines of defenses like the metal detectors and the bomb detectors and the radiation detectors and the scan cards and the fingerprint scanners etc that you have to go threw everytime you go into the plant. And even with that, you can't get into the control room without a shit ton more screenings on top. Still, of the 40 people who started the same time I did only 1 of them was rejected (for not paying child support), so it doesn't seem like all that many people are screened out (or else they just don't apply to begin with)
that's a negative. You do NOT want to lie on a clearance form at all. It's a step process, they maky not check up on it for your "secret" clearance, but if you try to get your "top" secret, they will bug every person you've had contact with by 20 degrees. IUf one of those people should be someone that rats you out, you will lose your clearance and your job. It's better to be upfront about any and everything rather than have them find out later that you lied about one seemingly inconsequential indiscretion.
Oh and btw, you have now made this information public, so if they wanted to they could find it here. So now, you've pretty much put yourself in a box and need to tell the truth about smoking pot.
be careful with what you disclose. You shouldn't be disclosing information like this over a public forum. you have actually placed yourself in situation where someone can possibly blackmail you. I know it sounds a bit paranoid, but you should never ever let anyone know what type of clearance you've got or if youre trying to obtain one. Just hope noone ever comes across this thread that may be interviewing you for any higher clearances.
EarthwormJim
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JulesMaximus
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Locut0s
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Someone mentioned SF 86 above so I did a google and pulled up the PDF. Man that is a lot of detail to have to fill out my hand hurts just looking at the length of it, luckily I'm not interested in military service hehe (Canadian also). If that's the form your filling out looks like here's the relevant section:
"
The following questions pertain to the illegal use of drugs or drug activity. You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, and your failure to do so could be grounds for an adverse employment decision or action against you, but neither your truthful responses nor information derived from your responses will be used as evidence against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding.
"
So basically you aren't going to get into trouble for telling the truth but could potentially get into deep sh!t for not. I'd tell the truth.
However I would not tell the truth about the following section if the truthful answer is yes. LOL
:
"
(A)
Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?
(B)
Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?
If you answered "Yes" to a or b, explain in the space below.
"
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/sf86.pdf
"
The following questions pertain to the illegal use of drugs or drug activity. You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, and your failure to do so could be grounds for an adverse employment decision or action against you, but neither your truthful responses nor information derived from your responses will be used as evidence against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding.
"
So basically you aren't going to get into trouble for telling the truth but could potentially get into deep sh!t for not. I'd tell the truth.
However I would not tell the truth about the following section if the truthful answer is yes. LOL
:"
(A)
Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?
(B)
Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?
If you answered "Yes" to a or b, explain in the space below.
"
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/sf86.pdf
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Someone mentioned SF 86 above so I did a google and pulled up the PDF. Man that is a lot of detail to have to fill out my hand hurts just looking at the length of it, luckily I'm not interested in military service hehe (Canadian also). If that's the form your filling out looks like here's the relevant section:
"
The following questions pertain to the illegal use of drugs or drug activity. You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, and your failure to do so could be grounds for an adverse employment decision or action against you, but neither your truthful responses nor information derived from your responses will be used as evidence against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding.
"
So basically you aren't going to get into trouble for telling the truth but could potentially get into deep sh!t for not. I'd tell the truth.
However I would not tell the truth about the following section if the truthful answer is yes. LOL
"
(A)
Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?
(B)
Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?
If you answered "Yes" to a or b, explain in the space below.
"
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/sf86.pdf
For these questions you should answer 'yes' if you want to be in the CIA. Basically they are recruiting questions. They let the Agency know who has opportunity and access to information about these groups.
Locut0s
Lifer
- Nov 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: gentobu
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Someone mentioned SF 86 above so I did a google and pulled up the PDF. Man that is a lot of detail to have to fill out my hand hurts just looking at the length of it, luckily I'm not interested in military service hehe (Canadian also). If that's the form your filling out looks like here's the relevant section:
"
The following questions pertain to the illegal use of drugs or drug activity. You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, and your failure to do so could be grounds for an adverse employment decision or action against you, but neither your truthful responses nor information derived from your responses will be used as evidence against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding.
"
So basically you aren't going to get into trouble for telling the truth but could potentially get into deep sh!t for not. I'd tell the truth.
However I would not tell the truth about the following section if the truthful answer is yes. LOL
"
(A)
Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?
(B)
Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?
If you answered "Yes" to a or b, explain in the space below.
"
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/sf86.pdf
For these questions you should answer 'yes' if you want to be in the CIA. Basically they are recruiting questions. They let the Agency know who has opportunity and access to information about these groups.
Hmm guess I never thought about it really, makes sense. Of course I'm sure if you answer yes you'd some under some REALLY heavy scrutiny before getting in.
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