Should Europe reimburse the US for aid given under the Marshall Plan?

[Riprorin]

I've never heard any discussion about this.

Why shouldn't the US be reimbursed for rebuilding Western Europe?

 

[Whitecloak]

I've never heard any discussion about this.

Why shouldn't Europe be reimbursed colonizing North America?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Should Europe reimburse former colonies that they basically raped?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: whitecloak
I've never heard any discussion about this.

Why shouldn't Europe be reimbursed colonizing North America?

I thought this thread might stimulate intelligent discussion. It may yet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ancient history. Nope.

 

[ElFenix]

should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

Not to mention defending Western Europe from the Soviet Union.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

France was not being completely altruistic when they helped us. Their enemy at that time was Britain. Figure out the rest for yourselves.

And yes, the US had many reasons to help Europe rebuild after the Europeans had destroyed their continent and some of them were selfish, better trade, less chance of another war breaking out, etc..

 

[conjur]

Should the U.S. pay the Native Americans and give them their land back?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I never heard of this one, but if one wants to pick something to be reimbursed, then it is fair for others to expect to be reimbursed as well. Since I am part Cherokee, I can make pretty good claim that my people were abused, and that the US engaged in subjugation and genocide of native americans. How many hundreds of trillions of dollars does that amount to when all the land european settlers and later US citizens belonged to my ancestors and people like them? All the natural resources? If we play this fair, you owe me every cent you ever made and then some. Then there is reparations for slavery.

No, reimbursments and reparations make no sense. All it would do is create chaos.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: conjur
Should the U.S. pay the Native Americans and give them their land back?

I hereby proclaim you the master of the non sequitur.

 

[Whitecloak]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: whitecloak
I've never heard any discussion about this.

Why shouldn't Europe be reimbursed colonizing North America?

I thought this thread might stimulate intelligent discussion. It may yet.

My question is as valid as yours and ought to be discussed alongside with the same.

 

[sMiLeYz]

While we're at it... what about repreations for slavery?

I haven't heard any discussion on this.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
While we're at it... what about repreations for slavery?

Sure, to all living slaves, what a stupid arguement.

Are people that directly benifited from the Marshall plan still alive?

Try again smiley.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: ElFenix
should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

Not to mention defending Western Europe from the Soviet Union.

We did both, reluctantly, in our manifest and enlightened self interest, much as France helped us secure our independence.

 

[sMiLeYz]

While we're at it, we should pay for all the mess we made in Vietnam thirty some years ago. People are still alive then aren't they etech?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Handouts for everyone!

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
While we're at it, we should pay for all the mess we made in Vietnam thirty some years ago. People are still alive then aren't they etech?

Sure, right after France reimburses them since it was France's colonial asperations after WWII that caused that entire mess. We can reimburse the government of South VietNam since they were invaded by the North and we all know that liberals could never in anyway condone an invasion or illegal land grab of that sort.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Handouts for everyone!

hey, why not...

The Japanese can pay for what they did in China...Europe (especially spain and portugal) can return the ENORMOUS amount of gold they stole from South America, the Egyptians can pay reparations to the decendants of the slaves who built the pyramids...


The reason there isn't any "serious discussion" about it is because EVERYONE gets screwed over in the long run. Pretty much all nations are built on bloodshed.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ElFenix
should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

France was not being completely altruistic when they helped us. Their enemy at that time was Britain. Figure out the rest for yourselves.

And yes, the US had many reasons to help Europe rebuild after the Europeans had destroyed their continent and some of them were selfish, better trade, less chance of another war breaking out, etc..

Uh the US played a big role in the destruction of Europe. A BIG ROLE.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ElFenix
should france pay when france secured our independence? or, since that was a different france (the monarchy) should they pay for us having pulled their britches from a couple of big ones early last century?

France was not being completely altruistic when they helped us. Their enemy at that time was Britain. Figure out the rest for yourselves.

And yes, the US had many reasons to help Europe rebuild after the Europeans had destroyed their continent and some of them were selfish, better trade, less chance of another war breaking out, etc..

Uh the US played a big role in the destruction of Europe. A BIG ROLE.

Yes, we did, now what the hell does that have to do with anything being discussed in this thread.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I've never heard any discussion about this.

Why shouldn't the US be reimbursed for rebuilding Western Europe?

After WWII US had a huge industry that had been making weapons, instead of just stopping this rendering lots of people unemployed they changed the production to rebuild Europe. When rebuilding Europe you also created a market where you could sell the goods created in US, increasing trade and thereby wealth for both areas.
Also it was realized if you wanted peace, you would need a wealthy Europe that traded a lot so that war would become a loose-loose situation and that US wouldn't need to go into another war in Europe. And of course keeping the Sovjets out of Europe. It was clearly in US interest to keep Europe rich and peacefull. The Marshall plan was a win-win plan so I can't really see why we should send any money back, since US also prospered from it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Thinki of the money we saved by having a stable Western Europe. The Marshall Plan was a sound investment.

 

[syzygy]

maybe we can squeeze the spanish socialists for some reimbursement, provided the money comes
only from their war chest built from voluntary contributions. they have done enough to dishonor the
memory of the brave who lost their lives fighting the great threats of their day.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: syzygy
maybe we can squeeze the spanish socialists for some reimbursement, provided the money comes
only from their war chest built from voluntary contributions. they have done enough to dishonor the
memory of the brave who lost their lives fighting the great threats of their day.

LOL, are you talking about the Facists under Franco?