i don't believe they did either - can't recall for certain, not important - but my comment above
was vague. i was referring to the fact that these present day socialists crawled under the rock
after they suffered their first terrorist attack while the one's of franco day fought on against their
pervasive and/or imminent threats.
tony blair is, despite the talk, walk, and dress, is technically head of the labor party, yet,
miraculously, he matured, tossed his party's failures and handicaps, and is counted among
the more conservative and sober leaders in all of europe - if not the world. but these spanish
socialists - yes, today's version - are relics without any spine.
they have given a new definition to cowardice. contrast them with fabritsio kuatrokki, the italian
hostage murdered after telling his captors off. the two should not have to share the same continent
as a residence. i would recommend we relocate all these lowly spanish socialists to moqtada al-sadr's
mosque. he would love to have them.
They were against the war from the very beginning, now that they are the ruling party, they are getting their soldiers out of there.
What, exactly has been accomplished in Iraq? Peace? Democracy? An end to torture, murder and rape? Have any WMD's been found? Has any actual threat been removed?
They have spine enough to give Bushie boy the finger and get their soldiers out of harms way in a war that was built on lies and deception, continues to cost lives and continues to be nothing but an embarrasment for pretty much every country involved.
Meanwhile, somewhere in Pakistan, Bin Ladin is laughing at the removal of the secular Saddam regime and at the fundamentalists uprisings. He should send Bushie boy a thank you note.
Well I would say the US were already reembursed - The Marshall plan was a financial aid of $13 bill - about 70% of that sum went right back into the US for buying US goods.
Germany alone received 1.4 bill in aid. I guess by trade this already came back - it was a win-win situation...
If u really want to go there Riporin: why not consider our efforts for Iraq part I as reembursement, dunno how much $17bill of 1991 are in 1947-1950 dollars thóugh
Germany alone received 1.4 bill in aid. I guess by trade this already came back - it was a win-win situation...
If u really want to go there Riporin: why not consider our efforts for Iraq part I as reembursement, dunno how much $17bill of 1991 are in 1947-1950 dollars thóugh
Originally posted by: B00ne
Well I would say the US were already reembursed - The Marshall plan was a financial aid of $13 bill - about 70% of that sum went right back into the US for buying US goods.
Germany alone received 1.4 bill in aid. I guess by trade this already came back - it was a win-win situation...
If u really want to go there Riporin: why not consider our efforts for Iraq part I as reembursement, dunno how much $17bill of 1991 are in 1947-1950 dollars thóugh
If there WOULD be an reimbursement, would half of us get a tax cut? DDR didn't benefit from the Marshall plan.
No East germany didnt get the Marshall plan quite the contrary, they provided the Marshall plan for the USSR
Originally posted by: B00ne
No East germany didnt get the Marshall plan quite the contrary, they provided the Marshall plan for the USSR
Yeah, pretty much, and when the wall fell it needed to be rebuilt, economically and structurally.
to those that lived during those troubled times, it might be said that the US played a big role in saving Europe. A VERY BIG ROLE.
but to answer the OP, the loans made in addition to the Marshall Plan have been repaid.
The reason why the Marshall Plan was so successful was because it did not require Europe to pay anything back to the US. The reparations would be in the form of increased trade.
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damn beat me to it again!
Lets settle thing thing once for all, everyone pay everyone:
reparations to former slaves
reimburse france for helping us fight for independance
reimburse germany for WW1 reparations
have germany reimburse us for ww2
reimburse native americans for wiping em out
have europe reimburse us for the marshall plan
reimburse buffalos for wiping em out also (see the 2 line above)
have israel reimburse us for our 18bil / year umm contribution
reimburse all jews for holocaust
reimburse all vietnamese civilans for vietnam war
have vietnam reimburse us for the 40some thousand people that died there
have catholic church reimburse everyone for the crusades and molestation of little boys
have michal jackson reimburse everyone for flooding the media with the last thing above
reimburse me for wasting my time reading this idiotic idea
....
:roll:
Actually no, not such a big role, the biggest role was played by the Russians, then the Brits, THEN, in the last minutes of the war, the US were attacked, so they did what they did and now they are seen as Europes saviours.
They also brought the gift that keeps on giving to the Japanese, how kind, blew two big cities filled with civilians to hell, their children and neighbouring children to hell, eversince, the mortality rate of Nagasaki and Hiroshima has been a lot higher than average.
Don't pretend if you can't hold your own glory up.
Yeah, that bugs me to about these calculations, Europe recieved 17.1 billions to rebuild, in 60 years, Israel gets 18 billions yearly and WE are supposed to pay back something?
As a semite and jewish heritage i should probably feel something for the state of Israel, well i don't, except that it is a country run by a terrorist ans supported by the US.
you're in good company. just a couple years ago, they featured a jewish atheist - his self-identification, not mine - who was also a holocaust denier ! a pity i can't recall his name, but the documentary (on
the discovery channel) showed him walking through aushwitz, picking through the remains, mouthing
his wisdom and learning.
You forgot about a ton of European atrocities, especially during colonialism. In the end, I think Europe would probably be bankrupt from paying everyone that they have caused immeasurable harm to. Fortunately for some, this is a ridiculous idea.
Should the U.S. reimburse black slaves along with their living distant relatives who were basically raped ?......How about we just move on and not act all bitter and angry about the past ? I guess Republicans can be just as bitter and angry as Dem's.
I am a holocaust denier, YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!
My grandparents escaped the holocaust, i would not be alive if it wasn't for a Swede.
YOU GET IT YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT?
I am a semitic with jewish heritage.
You are a brainded piece of sh!t with scumbags for parents, obviously!
The same could be said of European powers, too. Let's not forget that European powers brought slavery to the Americas and practiced it here.
I wasn't being serious anyways. However, this doesn't mean that we should forget about world history.
lol, look at klixxer go crazy. I like how he says he's a holocaust denier! Do you mind if I quote you saying that in my sig?
You are a riot!
It's possible, but not likely. The US as a superpower has been far more responsible than European superpowers. Has it done idiotic and horrible things? Sure. However, never on the scale of what European powers have done.
No, I don't think anyone will ever come near the atrocities that Europe has done. A lot of these atrocities were even happening when the US already existed.
I agree with that, history should be remembered so it won't be repeated, but don't just remember how it ended, remember how it started too.
I love how you guys joke around, let me joke too, US are the new Nazis, raping, torturing, putting in camps without any charges, with no means to communicate with the outside world, not only the ones they are fighting, citizens of the entire world. oops, guess i slipped and spoke some truth.
Actually, I wouldn't mind if you stated that with realism. In fact, there are lots of people running around basically saying the same thing about the current administration.
My problem is that a lot of Europeans, especially on this forum, like to pretend that they're 'morally superior' and that US history is full of atrocities...when if we look at European history and history as a superpower, the entire world suffered 100x over.
A rule for Europeans should be to never reference history and atrocities in this application , because you'll lose every single time.
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