Should AT include OC'd Cards in Reviews?

[Gikaseixas]

because the 6800 series was not the king of the hill?

wrong, they dominated the competition didn't they?

 

[Madcatatlas]

That's just plain dumb of you to say. I'm disappointed.

Since when where 6870 suppose to beat 5870? AMD positioned those cards to compete with GTX 460, not GTX 470 or 5870.
If you have to make a point at least try harder next time.

EDIT: I want to offer apoligies to RS. I do think what you said is abit over the edge Gikaseiax. RS is from all accounts very disappointed in not seeing AMD keep to its 3 generation old naming convention.
Instead of saying THAT, he is instead focusing on the wrong thing. He is saying that the HD6870 should have been 50% better than the HD5870. This again, because he doesnt like the naming convention change (its the only thing that makes sense that he would be pissed about)

RS, it will take you some time to get used to 6970 being the new 5870. Prove me wrong.

 

[Gikaseixas]

i agree, and my IQ and eyes bleed when i see something as obviously misplaced as that argument. I mean what are you (general) trying to achive saying "you amd fanbois thought it would beat the gtx480".. it makes me picture you naked, swinging a club over your head hunting mammoths.

Yep, i don't know what he was thinking

 

[formulav8]

it makes me picture you naked, swinging a club over your head hunting mammoths.

Yuk Yuk Yuk :biggrin: I was just picturing what you were picturing...

 

[RussianSensation]

That's just plain dumb of you to say. I'm disappointed.

Since when where 6870 suppose to beat 5870?

I agree that we didn't know that 6870 will or will not beat an HD5870. My point still stands that HD68xx launch was massively overhyped.

Now that the dust has settled, AMD basically took 13 months to release a 10% faster card from HD5850 at $239, except that HD5850 is now $195.

How is that not disappointing to you?

i agree, and my IQ and eyes bleed when i see something as obviously misplaced as that argument.

When HD5770 was released, I thought it was a failure (I instead purchased a HD4890). The difference is, when I had an "ATI" card, no one accussed me of bias and speaking my mind about how HD5770 was a poor attempt from AMD. Compared to a $195 HD5850 which you can buy on Newegg, HD6870 $239 is mildly disappointing. You don't have to agree. However, to state things like "HD6870 was supposed to be faster than a GTX480" is just disrespectful. I never made such claims in this post; and I never degrade you personally.

 

[Madcatatlas]

I agree that we didn't know that 6870 will or will not beat an HD5870. My point still stands that HD68xx launch was massively overhyped.

Now that the dust has settled, AMD basically took 13 months to release a 10% faster card from HD5850 at $239, except that HD5850 is now $195.

How is that not disappointing to you?



When HD5770 was released, I thought it was a failure (I instead purchased a HD4890). The difference is, when I had an "ATI" card, no one accussed me of bias and speaking my mind about how HD5770 was a poor attempt from AMD. Compared to a $195 HD5850 which you can buy on Newegg, HD6870 $239 is mildly disappointing. Sorry, if you don't agree.

I think its still kinda funny RS. your this disappointed in AMD for making you wait a month longer for the replacer to the HD5870 card.

I guess its your choice. You should leave the HD6870 out of it though, it was always ment to replace the midrange cards. I mean, why drag down such a nice card when what you want to diss is getting released/launched in one month from now?

Now say with me: I am not disppointed in seeing the increase in midrange performance from AMD going from HD5770 -> HD6870.

You should all also say with me: Im looking forward to seeing how Cayman performs.

Edit: Yes, my apoligies RS. I thought about it and it was on the rude side of things. I do however not understand how someone with your post statistics (unbiased) goes from being unbiased, to basicly nagging about AMD changing the naming convention and releasing the 6770 as the 6870 and the replacement to 5870 as the 6970.
My apoligies once again, Im sorry if i insulted you.

 

[RussianSensation]

You should all also say with me: Im looking forward to seeing how Cayman performs.

I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. I can be utterly impressed by HD69xx series, but that doesn't mean my view of the HD6850/70 series will somehow be any different. When X1900XT brought awesome performance increase for a refresh over X1800XT, I recommended it. When HD4870 launched at $299 vs. $399 GTX260, I loved every minute of it. When HD4890 could be had for $185 12 months after $649 GTX280 launch, I was extatic. I am sorry that my expectations have been spoiled by some of the best ATI launches in the past.

Put it this way, I thought HD5850 was the best card since September 2009 for majority of the time, with HD5770 being mediocre and HD5870 overpriced. In a similar fashion, I can be blownaway by HD69xx series, but that doesn't make me fond of HD5850+ performance 13 months later or HD5770 not being updated at all. I just want more progress on the video front from both camps I guess

 

[mosox]

Now that the dust has settled, AMD basically took 13 months to release a 10% faster card from HD5850 at $239, except that HD5850 is now $195.

First of all, your "$195" link goes to a $255 MSI R5850 Twin Frozr II.
But if you know a $195 HD5850 in there, buy me a dozen (I'll send you the money), I want to make some $$$ in order to get that awesome EVGA FTW. Not really available in Europe but you can send me one of those with the 5850s. Get me the "review edition" please.

 

[RussianSensation]

Hey mosox, the linked 5850 has a rebate on it, which brings its price to $195. I realize tjat in other markets, the prices are completely different. I realize that HD6870 may be priced near 5850s in Europe, in which case it's definitely the better card.

 

[mosox]

Sorry about that, didn't bother to put it the basket. In my country the cheapest HD5850 is some $350. Yep, $350.

 

[RussianSensation]

Sorry about that, didn't bother to put it the basket. In my country the cheapest HD5850 is some $350. Yep, $350.

Wow, how does that compare to GTX460s and the new HD6850/70 series?

 

[mosox]

Same ratio to the 470, 6850 = in between the two 460, 6870 = 5850. 24% sales tax! Yay for Big Government.

 

[Hard Ball]

Sorry about that, didn't bother to put it the basket. In my country the cheapest HD5850 is some $350. Yep, $350.

Wow, which country do you live in, may I ask.

Remind me to never even think about moving there.

 

[Idontcare]

Wow, which country do you live in, may I ask.

Remind me to never even think about moving there.

Must be Romania?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

Only country listed with 24% VAT. Although on the plus side, only 16% income tax

 

[RussianSensation]

Must be Romania?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

Only country listed with 24% VAT. Although on the plus side, only 16% income tax

They also have pretty girls, castles and cheap booze. :thumbsup:

 

[betasub]

They also have pretty girls, castles and cheap booze. :thumbsup:

Maybe summer break next year then -- after I have made my hardware purchases

 

[tviceman]

Look at the facts. The 850 parts is only sold in very limited numbers. Fact. Care to argue about that?

No professional expect the 850 parts to be sold in measurable numbers. The consumers cant buy product that is only on the shelves for 4 hours each week. They buy volume products, as seen by the numbers in the steam survey.

You cant buy a non existing product. Thats the deal.

Unfortunately it's out of stock.

Doesn't matter what they cost when you can't buy one.

The card is now back in stock $229 with a $10 MIR. Yes, yes I know this flies in the face of it being a halo product and having extremely limited availability, but the fact is it sold it very quickly when introduced and was then also restocked very quickly.

 

[Hard Ball]

Must be Romania?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

Only country listed with 24% VAT. Although on the plus side, only 16% income tax

Could well be;

I can't imagine living somewhere where that much sales tax is taken with every purchase. I can't see that being good for consumer spending, or e-commerce in general.