Should Asthmatics Suffer and Die to "Save the Ozone?"

Amused

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A GF of mine has asthma. She just ran out of the last available Albuterol using CFCs and was switched to Pro Air (at twice the cost).

She gets very little to no relief with the pro-air. Advair is similarly disappointing.

I find it disturbing that the environuts now seem OK with tampering with people's meds to "save" an Ozone layer that has never been observed intact over the south pole anyhow.

First tens of millions die of malaria because of DDT hysteria, now asthmatics have to suffer?
 

Tarrant64

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I got switched to Advair a few years ago. Now, I never really used it that much except during the winter when my asthma got really bad, but it didn't do much at all. When I was on albuterol I never had any problems and used it more frequently than Advair. It's hard to stick with a med. that doesn't seem to do anything at all.
 

waggy

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i just switched to Advair. but i still use my abuterol nearly daily.

and as for the ozone? SCREW IT! as long as i get to breath longer i don't care! bwhahahah ha..ha..caugh wheeze..wheeze.. damn where is my inhaler..PUFF! ahh! hahahahahhahahah!
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Isn't there a different way to administer Albuterol other than aerosols?

I'm having a brain fart on the name but the only other way I know is a machine called _______ that you basically pour liquid Albuterol into, put on a mask, and that liquid gets turned into vapor for you to inhale. We have two for my son and they aren't exactly portable.

And this decision really is crap. With all the CFCs that get pushed out by styrofoam, hair sprays, etc....why target something that only a fraction of the population uses and is actually beneficial for those that are using it.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Isn't there a different way to administer Albuterol other than aerosols?

I'm having a brain fart on the name but the only other way I know is a machine called _______ that you basically pour liquid Albuterol into, put on a mask, and that liquid gets turned into vapor for you to inhale. We have two for my son and they aren't exactly portable.

Nebulizer.

And no, it is not a valid replacement for the reasons you posted.
 

funboy6942

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Welcome to the "It doesnt work for me, I dont like it, I see no use for it, it is completely useless to me, that kills off this (suposedly) so it must go no matter the cost to what life or what ever, I dont like what your doing even tho it has no effect towards me, I just see no use for what your doing so I must stop you from doing it because youre, and its stupid" United States of America.

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Isn't there a different way to administer Albuterol other than aerosols?

I'm having a brain fart on the name but the only other way I know is a machine called _______ that you basically pour liquid Albuterol into, put on a mask, and that liquid gets turned into vapor for you to inhale. We have two for my son and they aren't exactly portable.

Nebulizer.

And no, it is not a valid replacement for the reasons you posted.

Thank you. You'd think that would be a name I could remember after using it for the past 4 years.
 

Mo0o

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You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?

No, but a nebulizer is the size of a large suitcase.

Rather hard to fit in one's pocket.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Mo0o
You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?

No, but a nebulizer is the size of a large suitcase.

Rather hard to fit in one's pocket.

Oh, my GF has one and she just keeps it in her purse. So are those still legal?
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Isn't there a different way to administer Albuterol other than aerosols?

I'm having a brain fart on the name but the only other way I know is a machine called _______ that you basically pour liquid Albuterol into, put on a mask, and that liquid gets turned into vapor for you to inhale. We have two for my son and they aren't exactly portable.

And this decision really is crap. With all the CFCs that get pushed out by styrofoam, hair sprays, etc....why target something that only a fraction of the population uses and is actually beneficial for those that are using it.

They banned the only effective asthma medicine? That's ridiculous. It's an insignificant amount compared to the other ozone depleting substances that get up there.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Mo0o
You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?

No, but a nebulizer is the size of a large suitcase.

Rather hard to fit in one's pocket.

no they aren't. they are pretty small now.


Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Albuterol smells awful.

they taste even worse.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, there isn't and the current replacement is not effective and IS twice the price.

You've already established that inhaler isn't going to be her final replacement :)


I don't recognise any of the brand names but there are lots of inhalers over here, I've been on 4 or 5 of them. People react differently to meds but it sounds like ProAir is a non-starter for most. There has to be something better than that knocking about. With a lot of p1ssed off patients, there's bound to be a solution in the near future.

How do the pharmaceuticals justify the 2/3x price difference to the insurers, hospitals and consumers? Don't they have to answer to a regulatory body? Also, given it's so ineffective, how did it make it through clinical trials? :confused:
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Mo0o
You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?

No, but a nebulizer is the size of a large suitcase.

Rather hard to fit in one's pocket.

Suitcase sized pockets FTW! :D
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Mo0o
You'd think they'd just find another delivery system, does a nebulizer also use CFCs?

No, but a nebulizer is the size of a large suitcase.

Rather hard to fit in one's pocket.

no they aren't. they are pretty small now.

Compared to the inhalers, they are gigantic. Plus you have to carry around the squeeze vials and the mask. Plus it takes several minutes to administer a dose compared to seconds for an inhaler.
 

Queasy

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Link - Sounds like Albuterol will still be around just with a different propellant (ed: and higher cost).

They look, taste and feel different, so Dr. David Skoner understands why some of his patients are wary of a government-mandated change in "rescue" asthma inhalers.

"People that come in to see me, they're frightened" of the change, said Skoner, director of allergies, asthma and immunology at Allegheny General Hospital on the North Side. "These are inhalers that they depend on to save them in an asthma attack."

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is phasing out albuterol inhalers that use chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, to propel the medicine into asthmatics' lungs because those chemicals deplete the ozone layer. CFC inhalers are being replaced with inhalers that use a different propellant, called hydrofluroalkane, or HFA, which does not harm the environment.

The transition must be made by Dec. 31, 2008, and area pharmacies are switching.

"We're phasing it out because we have to," said Tom Riley, a pharmacist at Lebanon Shops Pharmacy in Castle Shannon. The pharmacy expects to complete the transition in the next few weeks. "We're running out of stock" of the CFC inhalers, he said.

Giant Eagle is phasing out CFC inhalers, and its pharmacists have started telling customers that they need to talk with their doctors about switching to the new type, said spokesman Dick Roberts.

More than 12 percent of Pennsylvania adults have asthma, compared with 7 percent nationwide, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Both types of inhaler deliver the same medicine -- albuterol -- to relax muscles that constrict breathing during asthma attacks. But there are no generic HFA inhalers available yet, and brand name inhalers cost about $30 to $45, twice as expensive as the generic CFC inhalers.

There are now at least four CFC-free albuterol inhalers available in the U.S., two of which have been on the market for at least four years.

Asthmatics should make sure they are comfortable with the HFA inhalers before they have to use them in an asthma attack, Skoner said. HFA inhalers have a less forceful, broader spray that tastes slightly different and doesn't feel as cold as the spray from CFC inhalers.

Russ Price was an early convert to HFA inhalers because he liked that they were more environmentally friendly. But the cost prompted him to begin using the generic CFC-containing inhalers more often.

"Especially when I was an undergraduate and in high school, I loved the fact that I was helping make the transition from CFC dependency," said Price, 25, of Squirrel Hill. "When I graduated from college and started paying for my health care, I noticed the price, and started using the generic inhaler more."