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SHOOTING IN FORT HOOD, Texas

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shortylickens said:
Black people shoot each other all the time every day in America. he's also president.
He sure jumped on that white cop/black resident situation his first week in office pretty god damn fast.


And as for "Commander In Chief" why did he never comment on all the times some marine raped a little afghani girl or some bullshit like that?

ASSHOLE!
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Dude, take your :awe: meds.
 
Just tuned in for a Noon check. God! More craziness here then at FT. Hood.
Veteran with a mental condition (PTSD) acting out. No deep (Obama)conspiracy or terrorist plot found.
 
WHAMPOM said:
Just tuned in for a Noon check. God! More craziness here then at FT. Hood.
Veteran with a mental condition (PTSD) acting out. No deep (Obama)conspiracy or terrorist plot found.
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But, what if it was staged to swing sympathy for the need for far better mental health care in the US. And, with that sympathy support, expanded Obamacare even more! This could be a ruse to triple our national debt in 6 months!


It really sucks this happened. And, I am sure a lot of the security forces are going to get some shit for this (at least, internally). I don't know about Army bases, but on Air Force bases you can't just go bringing a gun. I feel bad for people trying to get onto bases now, as it is about to get a lot most strict in their searches.
 
It's sad, he was clearly suffering mentally, taking drugs for it, and that still wasn't enough to prevent him from taking this path.
 
Those drugs aren't some magic cure all. Hell, don't most of them say they may increase the risk of suicide in teens?
 
Jaskalas said:
Those drugs aren't some magic cure all. Hell, don't most of them say they may increase the risk of suicide in teens?
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I would hope they didn't just give him the pills. But, he would be seeing someone as well.

In those moments of interacting with the Dr, they could/would have talked about whats up and what is going on.
 
Looks like he even bought his gun from the same place as the last Fort Hood shooter. I'm guessing ATF will be going over their paperwork real soon. Hope they followed all the laws when selling.
 
Jimzz said:
Looks like he even bought his gun from the same place as the last Fort Hood shooter. I'm guessing ATF will be going over their paperwork real soon. Hope they followed all the laws when selling.
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I suspect they will run a federal background check on the shooter and as long as it comes back clear nothing more will be done.
 
Relatives on lock down again, possible IED's on base and in town.

They just got transferred there and are ready to get out of there.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
I suspect they will run a federal background check on the shooter and as long as it comes back clear nothing more will be done.
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I think the way it works now is they send the application in and get return with a 'yes' or 'no' from the FBI. While the Army certainly does have a waiver for everything, I would wager the vast majority of military members could pass the required background check to purchase a firearm. Hell, showing your military ID would likely be enough to leave with it, and they just push the paperwork through as a formality.

This guy looks to have been in the process of getting diagnosed with PTSD and after some sessions showed no signs of violent behavior or indicators he would react in this kind of manner.
 
Now the Army is painting the shooter as having serious mental health issues, and say that he had been seeking help for his mental health issues. I am confused, if this is the case why wasn't he involuntarily dismissed? Isn't having a serious mental health issue a red flag? Aren't they suppose to let anyone go if they have bipolar or schizophrenia or such?
 
Oldgamer said:
Now the Army is painting the shooter as having serious mental health issues, and say that he had been seeking help for his mental health issues. I am confused, if this is the case why wasn't he involuntarily dismissed? Isn't having a serious mental health issue a red flag? Aren't they suppose to let anyone go if they have bipolar or schizophrenia or such?
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It isn't like a normal job where they can just fire you. It is a long process and they do a medical review board. There is also line of cases ahead of him. I think it is pretty obvious he had serious mental health issues; normal people don't go on a shooting spree.

Reports were, and may have changed, that medical evaluations didn't give any flags that he was dangerous and they were just going to monitor him.
 
Oldgamer said:
Now the Army is painting the shooter as having serious mental health issues, and say that he had been seeking help for his mental health issues. I am confused, if this is the case why wasn't he involuntarily dismissed? Isn't having a serious mental health issue a red flag? Aren't they suppose to let anyone go if they have bipolar or schizophrenia or such?
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The Army operates on a "you break it, you bought it" policy. Just because someone has problems doesn't mean you can toss them out onto the street. They'll be helped as much as possible to return to duty, and if that's not possible a medical review board will determine how they should be handled. They might be reclassified to a less stressful job, medically retired from the military or simply told to leave.
 
smackababy said:
... I think it is pretty obvious he had serious mental health issues; normal people don't go on a shooting spree.
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Terrorists such as Major Hasan would prove you wrong.

That this recent shooter was crazy is "pretty obvious" only because terrorism is so rare here. I too consider it a safe bet. We have more crazies than we do terrorists.
 
Jaskalas said:
Terrorists such as Major Hasan would prove you wrong.

That this recent shooter was crazy is "pretty obvious" only because terrorism is so rare here. I too consider it a safe bet. We have more crazies than we do terrorists.
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I'm sorry, but anyone who decides it is a good idea to shoot people for an imaginary being in the sky has serious mental problems.
 
smackababy said:
It isn't like a normal job where they can just fire you. It is a long process and they do a medical review board. There is also line of cases ahead of him.
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Nebor said:
The Army operates on a "you break it, you bought it" policy. Just because someone has problems doesn't mean you can toss them out onto the street.
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Maybe this is the problem. Too much government red tape.
 
frowertr said:
Maybe this is the problem. Too much government red tape.
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While, it seems like a lot of red tape, is it really about them covering their asses. If you get injured (to the point of being non deployable) while in the military, they do what they can to keep you in (if you're not a total fuck up, which means basically just showing up when you're supposed to) or get you out with some benefits. Most of the time, the member themselves doesn't want to get out and the higher ups will try and fight for them to have different duties or being in a different position to allow them to continue their career. Most of the time, I think it comes down to them just not being eligible for reenlistment and are able to finish their contracts honorably.

And, even then, if you have documented medical problems which occurred while in military service, the VA will give you disability of a varying amount.
 
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