boomerang
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I don't know what you're basing that on. Reports I have read stated that the shooter was under psychiatric care.
That's exactly what this particular incident sounds like, not terrorism.
My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
Phoenix86
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Didn't realize we had so many crazy people on this forum...that is scary
Exactly.
Stewox
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Just tuned in for a Noon check. God! More craziness here then at FT. Hood.
Veteran with a mental condition (PTSD) acting out. No deep (Obama)conspiracy or terrorist plot found.
Veteran with a mental condition (PTSD) acting out. No deep (Obama)conspiracy or terrorist plot found.
But, what if it was staged to swing sympathy for the need for far better mental health care in the US. And, with that sympathy support, expanded Obamacare even more! This could be a ruse to triple our national debt in 6 months!
It really sucks this happened. And, I am sure a lot of the security forces are going to get some shit for this (at least, internally). I don't know about Army bases, but on Air Force bases you can't just go bringing a gun. I feel bad for people trying to get onto bases now, as it is about to get a lot most strict in their searches.
shortylickens
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Newell Steamer
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It's sad, he was clearly suffering mentally, taking drugs for it, and that still wasn't enough to prevent him from taking this path.
Newell Steamer
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I would hope they didn't just give him the pills. But, he would be seeing someone as well.
In those moments of interacting with the Dr, they could/would have talked about whats up and what is going on.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
I suspect they will run a federal background check on the shooter and as long as it comes back clear nothing more will be done.
Relatives on lock down again, possible IED's on base and in town.
They just got transferred there and are ready to get out of there.
They just got transferred there and are ready to get out of there.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Got a link to back up this claim? Neither Fort Hood not 1st Cavalry Division are tweeting such.
https://twitter.com/forthood
https://twitter.com/1stCavalryDiv
I think the way it works now is they send the application in and get return with a 'yes' or 'no' from the FBI. While the Army certainly does have a waiver for everything, I would wager the vast majority of military members could pass the required background check to purchase a firearm. Hell, showing your military ID would likely be enough to leave with it, and they just push the paperwork through as a formality.
This guy looks to have been in the process of getting diagnosed with PTSD and after some sessions showed no signs of violent behavior or indicators he would react in this kind of manner.
Oldgamer
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Now the Army is painting the shooter as having serious mental health issues, and say that he had been seeking help for his mental health issues. I am confused, if this is the case why wasn't he involuntarily dismissed? Isn't having a serious mental health issue a red flag? Aren't they suppose to let anyone go if they have bipolar or schizophrenia or such?
It isn't like a normal job where they can just fire you. It is a long process and they do a medical review board. There is also line of cases ahead of him. I think it is pretty obvious he had serious mental health issues; normal people don't go on a shooting spree.
Reports were, and may have changed, that medical evaluations didn't give any flags that he was dangerous and they were just going to monitor him.
Nebor
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The Army operates on a "you break it, you bought it" policy. Just because someone has problems doesn't mean you can toss them out onto the street. They'll be helped as much as possible to return to duty, and if that's not possible a medical review board will determine how they should be handled. They might be reclassified to a less stressful job, medically retired from the military or simply told to leave.
Jaskalas
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Terrorists such as Major Hasan would prove you wrong.
That this recent shooter was crazy is "pretty obvious" only because terrorism is so rare here. I too consider it a safe bet. We have more crazies than we do terrorists.
I'm sorry, but anyone who decides it is a good idea to shoot people for an imaginary being in the sky has serious mental problems.
frowertr
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While, it seems like a lot of red tape, is it really about them covering their asses. If you get injured (to the point of being non deployable) while in the military, they do what they can to keep you in (if you're not a total fuck up, which means basically just showing up when you're supposed to) or get you out with some benefits. Most of the time, the member themselves doesn't want to get out and the higher ups will try and fight for them to have different duties or being in a different position to allow them to continue their career. Most of the time, I think it comes down to them just not being eligible for reenlistment and are able to finish their contracts honorably.
And, even then, if you have documented medical problems which occurred while in military service, the VA will give you disability of a varying amount.
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