There are adults and teens posting here. It is easy to tell the difference.
Now let's go back to the topic shimmering......
Now let's go back to the topic shimmering......
Good post. I agree... As much as Ackmed and I have gotten in arguments (well not as much as some
) he is only stating what's happening and he's continually getting shot down with denial and excuses.Originally posted by: yacoub
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: crazydingo
You missed the whole point probably. Didnt the same guys (Brent & Kyle) "announce" that shimmering was non-existant? Maybe more people should put down their green and red glasses.
you missed the whole point of the review. Its about whether 7900 is a good / bad card, not about shimmering. ...
And you're missing the whole point of this thread, but that's not surprising considering your historic inability to grasp even simple concepts.
Ackmed: I'm sure you're not in the least bit surprised at the responses your intial post has generated:
*Attempts to derail and misdirect
*Inability to comprehend your simple post
*Reactionary flaming from fanboys on both extremes
*Attempts to label you as angry (wtf was that "temper" comment about?? honestly...) when you're just verifying for those in denial that the problem actually exists.
Very typical around here.
consider your "NEED" to flame rather than explain things in a civil way, I see you are just another 10 yr old ati fanboy who is here to crap.
so tell me, what is the point of these thread? the same shimmering issue has been brought up again and again and again, its old news and a repost. The referenced review pointed out 7900 is indeed a good buy *regardless* of shimmering, so the title itself is misleading.
Apparently shimmering can never be brought up enough.
If it was "news" last week, it will be "news" next week. (and the week after...and the week after....)
The thread title says "Shimmering brought up in HARDOCP 7900 article." Shimmering was "brought up" in the article...
How is that misleading?? Ackmed didn't write "Shouldn't buy 7900 because of shimmering" did he??
And you love to label people "ATI fanboy" don't ya?
The focus of the article isn't on shimmering, its on 7900. anyone who read the article will know about shimmmering, its old news and its not the main point of the article.
The thread title says "brought up". What does that mean???? It means it was MENTIONED. "Brought up" doesn't mean that's the focus of the article. You understand now??
And how do you know everyone that's in the market for a 7900 series card knows about shimmering?? Maybe YOU know but doesn't mean everyone else here knows.
Alright then in YOUR opinion, how should he have worded the title then??
I think "brought up" is fairly low on the verb force scale as it is.
akugami
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You guys are arguing over how someone worded the title to a thread they started? Man, if it bothers some of you so much don't read the thread and/or start your own on the same subject with a differently worded thread. Problem solved. You go play in your sandbox and I'll play in mine. :roll:
Shimmering is a problem, I haven't commented too much on it since I don't have a next gen video card yet (will make my choice soon, either X1900XT or 7900GTX, leaning towards ATI still though). However, until both companies fix all shimmering problems it will continue to be brought up. Even if only one fixes the shimmering the fanboys of that company will continue to bring up shimmering as a negative for the cards of the second company. Shimmering comments will stop when both companies fix it.
Shimmering is a problem, I haven't commented too much on it since I don't have a next gen video card yet (will make my choice soon, either X1900XT or 7900GTX, leaning towards ATI still though). However, until both companies fix all shimmering problems it will continue to be brought up. Even if only one fixes the shimmering the fanboys of that company will continue to bring up shimmering as a negative for the cards of the second company. Shimmering comments will stop when both companies fix it.
Keysplayr
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What makes you think it should have been brought up again at all? And at the launch of the 7900 cards? Coincidence? Don't even go there. Just because H mentioned shimmering in the article does not make this new news. Man o Man...
It has been disputed to DEATH....
Anyway, ormandj has it pretty well nailed with that last post of his.
I was just responding to Beggerking who said it was misleading...but I really should learn not to argue with him...it never gets anywhere.
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He mentioned it at the launch because HardOCP finally acknowledged it in the 7900 review. That was hard to figure out wasn't it?
AznAnarchy99
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i dont notice shimmering on my 7800gtx but i do notice its amazing loud fan and how hot it gets.
It was brought up right after the 7900 launch because that's when the article was written (because the cards were just released).....(oops..Praxis beat me to it)
If the thread was about 7800 shimmering then I can see your point.
Just like the 3DMark IQ problem was brought up right after the launch of the X1900.
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Then by all means don't get the X1800/X1900 series. It is hotter and louder (under load).
I can tell you based on my own experience, I had both cards for a week.
I kind of disagree about the GTX. System fans and CPU cooling is louder than the GTX.
The 7800GT is indeed a bit louder, Í replaced the original fan with an Artic Silencer.
If yours is really loud and running hot, perhaps the heatsink is not properly set or your case has bad airflow. Try to check it.
You can try turning down the fan speeds through Rivatuner. I changed the default 47 fan speed to 33 and my cards are now inaudible over the CPU fan. The speed decrease seemed to only affect load temperatures by one degree for me.
Of course and since the major selling points for nv are quiet, cool and the wierdest of all, smaller and cheaper to make (strange to see a company use high profits as an advertising point) - expect to see repeated references to this. The major selling points for ati are iq and new features - so no surprise to see this repeatedly referred to. Hope the next gen comes soon - as this could get very boring.
edit: Oops forgot the supposed advantage of sli over crossfire, though iq tends to negate most of that for me (but and i have no interest in having 2 graphic cards of this generation anyway).
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With my comp, the only thing you can really hear are the optical drives when they spin and my video card at load. Ive checked all of that and basically what im doing is waiting for the vf900 to come out to replace my stock. I would go silencer or vf700 but i want to be SLI upgradable later and i dont want an x1 because its ugly (even though i wont ever see it lol..)
Long time lurker?
Anyway, I Think that nVidia should fix it, especially after saying they fixed it with a patch. The fact that it's not "new" is what makes it so annoying (imo).
Keysplayr
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Ok, and what is the difference between a 7800GTX and a 7900GTX? Die shrink and clocks. Any added features advertised like improved AF or anything? Not that I saw.
You guys will see it the way you see it. I will see it the way I see it. And you really have no choice but to deal with it as I do.
Originally posted by: thilan29
I was just responding to Beggerking who said it was misleading...but I really should learn not to argue with him...it never gets anywhere.
arguing with you gets nowhere either..
I guess it doesn't bother you to hear / read about shimmering over and over again everytime you open up anandtech/forum page.
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omg begger cmon. Just ignore the thread. Unless there is more than 1-2 about a single topic at any one time it isn't that bad to see.
Yeah, you can. People with hardware that doesnt have show shimmering as badly. As Ive been saying for months, you need a very large display to see just how bad it is. Its sad that people with the bigger monitors, get the worse IQ
No, 21" doesnt show it near as bad as a 24" LCD does. I had a 2005FPW, and a X800 Pro. Went to a 6800GT, and noticed the shimmering. But not that much of a difference. I then got a X850XT/PE and a 2405FPW when it came out, shimmering was all but gone. Then got a 7800GTX (later another) and as soon as I put the GTX in, *bam* it was back in force. Much worse than ever. What does that tell me? That its MUCH more noticable in a larger screen. Again, its sad people with bigger/nicer monitors get worse IQ.
I dont really care if you hook up your Apple 30" or not. I would say you would notice it a lot easier, and it would be much worse on the 30". Especially in games that have it worse than others.
Oh, so first it was "no real review mentions it", and now its not a real review? When does it end? HardOCP is NV bias if any. They are one of the biggest and most trusted hardware sites around. Why dont you go post and tell them that their review is not factual. Brent is always posting on the forums, and answers any questions about any article he writes.
Its not a clause, its the truth. Shimmering is worse on different hardware. Why cant some of you people grasp that? Its much less notiable, or not even at all, on a small, lower res CRT. Than on a huge, high res LCD. I didnt write it like that at all, and I dont cuss. I dont really care what you suggest, Im not trying to go anywhere. Much less, go "farther".
Except, it is a fact. There are many people with all sorts of hardware, that notice it. Yes most are on a large LCD, but not all. Several in this post alone notice it on a CRT. Personally, I think you do have it. And just dont know what it really is, or dont play a game that suffers as badly as others from it.
Its not just what I have said, but many others. And *gasp*, even reviewers now are mentioning it. Niche? Perhaps, but so its SLI, Crossfire, or heck, even $500 cards. I can tell you the real cause of my problems, its my NV cards. Which are sold, and being shipped off Monday. I bought a X1800XT to try out a month or so ago. Guess what? My shimmering in BF2 was all but gone. It looked MUCH better than on my GTX's. Sold the X1800XT because I just waneted to see if the IQ was as good as I remember, and it was. But the X1800XT was too slow for my needs, and I wanted a X1900 series. I got a steal on the X1800XT and sold it for a profit, after I got to test it for about a week.
It is that bad. Sadly, I was at the end of a double edged sword. My 1920x1200 res is very demanding. And my X850XT/PE just couldnt keep up in BF2 to my liking. The X1800 was late, and the 7800GTX was much faster than my X850. Especially in my favorite game of the time (and still today), BF2. I already had a A8N-SLI, because it was the first PCIe mobo out, and was a good one at that. So I snagged a GTX, and was very happy with the performance. However, the second I loaded up BF2, there was the shimmering. I suffered thru it, because as I said, my X850 was just too slow for me. Then came F.E.A.R and CoD2.. and still the X1800XT wasnt out. So I got yet another GTX, because the single GTX struggled at my res. However, now that the X1900's are out, Im going back to ATi. Ive got enough cash to get 2x7900GTX's, but its just not worth it to me, because of the IQ loss. Im going with just one X1900, because I dont think Crossfire has the same performance gains that SLI does. And, because the 7900GTX's block two our of four of the SATA plugs on my A8N32. Since I have three SATA drives.. that sucks. But thats another story.
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