Sheehan's protest increasing war support

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Unlike Saddam, Hitler was already actively marching across most of western Europe by the time we entered the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known|

Ahhh, I see. Ex post military action, right? Let's sit on our f***ing hands and wait until Saddam "was already actively marching across most of [the middle east] by the time we [enter] the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known." 100,000 Kurds doesn't equal 6,000,000,000 Jews, so we had more time to wait, right?

Oh, and thanks for the personal attacks directed toward me, too. :brokenheart:

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Originally posted by: Harvey

Unlike Saddam, Hitler was already actively marching across most of western Europe by the time we entered the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known|

Ahhh, I see. Ex post military action, right? Let's sit on our f***ing hands and wait until Saddam "was already actively marching across most of [the middle east] by the time we [enter] the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known." 100,000 Kurds doesn't equal 6,000,000,000 Jews, so we had more time to wait, right?

Oh, and thanks for the personal attacks directed toward me, too. :brokenheart:

Ok please provide proof that Saddam had a realistic plan to invade and/or attack the US.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: owensdj
umbrella39, are you joking? The terrorists in Iraq aren't fighting against a foreign occupation, at least not any more. They're fighting against the democratically elected government of Iraq.

I honestly doubt that the current govt is a thorough representation of democratic elections.. considering that there were many assassinations and murders of people who wanted to join the govt..

and.. since the people actually identify themselves with their religion instead of their ideas or principles - the Sunnis outnumber everyone else 2:1 AND THEY ALL DISLIKE EACH OTHER 🙁

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BushBasha
Right, and it was Japan (al qaeda ) that attacked us, so why are we occupying Germany (Iraq).

What a truly piss poor analogy. In WW II, Germany declared war on the U.S., not the other way around, but had we been prepared and as politically alert as we should have been, we should have been all over Hitler's army years earlier. Unlike Saddam, Hitler was already actively marching across most of western Europe by the time we entered the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was knownthe same unfounded bullsh8 zendari was spewing.

So you encourage a pre-emptive strike on Hitler even though neither he nor any of his forces ever touched US soil, nor were any threat to the US homeland? A declaration of war is merely a formality.

Saddam did his job in gassing the kurds.

Lack of documentation regarding Hitler and the United States

I guess if you had a problem with the "fuzzy intel" for Iraq you must have huge issues with this lack of documentation.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari

All one has to do is listen to the hate filled rhetoric and gems like "This country isn't worth dying for" to see how the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion are inherently anti-American and anti-freedom.

You're blowing smoke, and haven't answered my question. How, specifically, do Mrs. Sheehan's words represent "the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion"?

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BushBasha
Right, and it was Japan (al qaeda ) that attacked us, so why are we occupying Germany (Iraq).

What a truly piss poor analogy. In WW II, Germany declared war on the U.S., not the other way around, but had we been prepared and as politically alert as we should have been, we should have been all over Hitler's army years earlier. Unlike Saddam, Hitler was already actively marching across most of western Europe by the time we entered the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was knownthe same unfounded bullsh8 zendari was spewing.

So you encourage a pre-emptive strike on Hitler even though neither he nor any of his forces ever touched US soil, nor were any threat to the US homeland? A declaration of war is merely a formality.

Saddam did his job in gassing the kurds.

Lack of documentation regarding Hitler and the United States

I guess if you had a problem with the "fuzzy intel" for Iraq you must have huge issues with this lack of documentation.

Funny, I don't remember Hitler beeing contained for a period of 12 years prior to US involvement. Actualy as far as I remember he was on a rampage throughout Europe and Russia.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

Ahhh, I see. Ex post military action, right? Let's sit on our f***ing hands and wait until Saddam "was already actively marching across most of [the middle east] by the time we [enter] the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known." 100,000 Kurds doesn't equal 6,000,000,000 Jews, so we had more time to wait, right?

Oh, and thanks for the personal attacks directed toward me, too. :brokenheart:

Your post defies the reality of the situation, and it's telling you'd resort to such tactics.

Saddam Hussein lacked the present ability or initiative to "march across" the Middle East when we undertook OIF. He was weaker than he'd ever been.

As for the oft-cited gonocide of the Kurds, he did that while on our payroll, using chemicals we sold him. We continued to support him with money and weapons after he killed 100,000 Kurds. We later even fought a little war known as Operation Desert Storm, again, after his mass killings of Kurds. If you consider his actions in the late '80s as motivation for deposing him in 2003, your beef is not with liberals but with George Herbert Walker Bush. Is that why you call yourself "BushBasha"?

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: jman19
You know, the only time I hear anything about this woman is when some republican is complaining about her. I find this to be quite ironic as most republicans don't want her in the news...

Actually, most Republicans I know want her in the news more.

They simply want the news to report everything about her.

The anti-war movement loses all credibility if she is the head of it. As long as its nutjobs like Cindy Sheehan that are leading the anti-war movement the average American will not sign on to their agenda.

 

[raildogg]

who cares what she says. she probably hates America, hates everything decent and right. so what? there are many people like that, and a lot of them post on these forums.

i'm surprised she wasn't a human shield for Saddam Hussein. Remember, people like her could care less for the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people Saddam and his sons and generals butchered. and countless women they raped.

all they care about is not hurting the various socialist leaders of this world, especially if its the USA doing the hurting. bet she was sad when the USSR collapsed

oh well. don't mind what she has to say. she shares commonality between the Italian journalist

 

[Deudalus]

Funny, I don't remember Hitler beeing contained for a period of 12 years prior to US involvement. Actualy as far as I remember he was on a rampage throughout Europe and Russia.

We had Germany contained through the Treaty of Versailles.

Once Hitler took power he basically did the same thing Saddam Hussein did which was thumb his nose at the treaty/regulations.

Hitler remilitarized the Sudentenland.

Saddam began building Al Samhoud II missiles and shooting at planes in the no fly zone.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

All one has to do is listen to the hate filled rhetoric and gems like "This country isn't worth dying for" to see how the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion are inherently anti-American and anti-freedom.

You're blowing smoke, and haven't answered my question. How, specifically, do Mrs. Sheehan's words represent "the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion"?

She's become a front for Michael Moore, moveon, and such an agenda.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha
Oh, and thanks for the personal attacks directed toward me, too. :brokenheart:

You're quite welcome to them. You earned every bit of it and more, and I documented why. 😛

I still haven't seen any documentation for the claim by you and zendari that Cindy Sheehan is antisemitic. Those are your words and his. They certainly aren't hers. Either prove it, or STFU!. :|

Originally posted by: zendari
So you encourage a pre-emptive strike on Hitler even though neither he nor any of his forces ever touched US soil, nor were any threat to the US homeland? A declaration of war is merely a formality.

Saddam did his job in gassing the kurds.

Where did I say that? Your memory seems to be very short and shallow so I'll repeat -- Hitler was invading and subjegating western Europe for years before we entered WW II. It isn't possible to discuss the entire history of international relations before WW II in this thread, but unlike Hitler, Saddam was already in a box and under control. He wasn't anybody's nice guy, but he wasn't going anywhere, and we were already using our military for the right purposes, going after those in Afghanistan who actually attacked us.

What's worse is, Bush took his eye off that objective to divert our resourses to Iraq. In doing so, he blew the opportunity to finish the job and get Osama and most of what existed of Al Qaeda at the time.

Lack of documentation regarding Hitler and the United States

I guess if you had a problem with the "fuzzy intel" for Iraq you must have huge issues with this lack of documentation.

I didn't say we were flawless in how we handled Hitler's Germany, but nothing in your link supports your previous idiotic statement:

BTW, we attacked Germany in 1945.

Sorry, but almost everything you say is complete nonsense. :roll:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito

You're blowing smoke, and haven't answered my question. How, specifically, do Mrs. Sheehan's words represent "the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion"?

She's become a front for Michael Moore, moveon, and such an agenda.

Ah, I see. So I take it you can't actually answer my question (i.e., how Mrs. Sheehan's anti-war agenda has anything whatsoever to do with "socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion")?

I'd just PM you about this, but last time we tried that, you insulted me by PM, then blocked my messages (and kudos to you on that mature rhetorical tactic!).

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Saddam began building Al Samhoud II missiles and shooting at planes in the no fly zone.

I forgot all about that. Thanks for reminding me. I wonder if Cindy would consider Saddam a 'freedom fighter' for targeting our evil Air Force flying sorties over HIS country.

 

[filterxg]

I pity Sheehan. She was a very liberal mother who lost her child. But now that her 'crusade' has gotten so much publicity she has proved incapable of staying focus on her original goal. She has fallen into hatred and has begun justifying that hatred by altering the surrounding reality. Needless to say terrorists aren't freedom fighters (although sometimes I wonder whether we are).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BushBasha

I forgot all about that. Thanks for reminding me. I wonder if Cindy would consider Saddam a 'freedom fighter' for targeting our evil Air Force flying sorties over HIS country.

I would tend to doubt it, since SH had agreed to peace terms that allowed for our overflight under Operations Northern Watch and Southern Watch. There's a big difference between that and Iraqi citizens fighting what is, from their perspective, an occupying force that attacked their country unprovoked, with overwhelming force, then deposed and arrested their leader.

I am not, BTW, unilaterally endorsing the notion of insurgents as "freedom fighters" - many of them clearly satisfy MY definition of "terrorist," particularly those who've come from Syria, Sudan, Saudi, etc. to attack us - but there is clearly another side to this story that some conservatives are willfully ignorant of and unreceptive to.

 

[BushBasha]

[edited since the caveat of Syria, Sudan, Saudi, etc. were added]

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: zendari
So you encourage a pre-emptive strike on Hitler even though neither he nor any of his forces ever touched US soil, nor were any threat to the US homeland? A declaration of war is merely a formality.

Saddam did his job in gassing the kurds.

Lack of documentation regarding Hitler and the United States

I guess if you had a problem with the "fuzzy intel" for Iraq you must have huge issues with this lack of documentation.

Did you fail history? Hitler did send a group of soliders to the US to act as sabateurs. They landed in the north east after being let go by a U-boat. They had $100,000 on them and blew it on hookers and parties then turned themselves into the FBI. They were convicted of being unlawful combatants and sentenced to 30 years in jail. That precedent is the one used to defend gitmo. There was also a plan drawn up to send 100,000 troops to occupy and burn new york, it's implimentation was dependent on the intelligence conveyed back by said soldiers above. So yes, Hitler did send troops to the US and he had plans, at least preliminary plans, to invade the US north east.

This also completely neglects Hitlers acts of war when he sunk the merchant shipping on it's way to Britain.

You may think at the ripe old age of 18 or 19 that you know everything, but you don't.

 

[Red Dawn]

LOL, all I know about Sheehan is what I read in Zendari's thread (man does he have a major hard on for her). Of course knowing what a reactionary Zen baby is I totally brush aside his opinion as that of an over zealous youth easily led by the nose.

What ever she says it wouldn't make a difference to me as I have already come to the logical conclusion the the Dub's ill advised and ill conceived Excellent Adventure in Iraq was a major fsck up on his Administration.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

the Dub's ill advised and ill conceived Excellent Adventure in Iraq was a major fsck up on his Administration.

Is anyone else here old enough to remember what happened on those old 45rpm record players when the needle jumped over the paper label and landed on that little yellow plastic insert that allowed 45s to play on a 33rpm player? I suspect Red remembers this phenomenon ...at the Y-M-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-A 🙂

 

[jman19]

Zendari, your knowledge of history is clearly lacking. Stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

the Dub's ill advised and ill conceived Excellent Adventure in Iraq was a major fsck up on his Administration.

Is anyone else here old enough to remember what happened on those old 45rpm record players when the needle jumped over the paper label and landed on that little yellow plastic insert that allowed 45s to play on a 33rpm player? I suspect Red remembers this phenomenon ...at the Y-M-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-A 🙂

Hey John, nice to see your trolling ass back here posting again. Well I think your last post was a troll though I'm not quite sure what it actually meant.

 

[tommywishbone]

The US attacked. We drop fire from the sky. We kill those people while they sleep. We use a multi-TRILLION dollar war machine to pulverize their country. We steal their oil. Our leader is an idiot with an IQ under 90. We're criminals and her son WAS killed by freedom fighters.

Sorry to ruin anyones day.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: zendari
So you encourage a pre-emptive strike on Hitler even though neither he nor any of his forces ever touched US soil, nor were any threat to the US homeland? A declaration of war is merely a formality.

Saddam did his job in gassing the kurds.

Lack of documentation regarding Hitler and the United States

I guess if you had a problem with the "fuzzy intel" for Iraq you must have huge issues with this lack of documentation.

Did you fail history? Hitler did send a group of soliders to the US to act as sabateurs. They landed in the north east after being let go by a U-boat. They had $100,000 on them and blew it on hookers and parties then turned themselves into the FBI. They were convicted of being unlawful combatants and sentenced to 30 years in jail. That precedent is the one used to defend gitmo. There was also a plan drawn up to send 100,000 troops to occupy and burn new york, it's implimentation was dependent on the intelligence conveyed back by said soldiers above. So yes, Hitler did send troops to the US and he had plans, at least preliminary plans, to invade the US north east.

This also completely neglects Hitlers acts of war when he sunk the merchant shipping on it's way to Britain.

You may think at the ripe old age of 18 or 19 that you know everything, but you don't.

Nope all except two where hung!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

the Dub's ill advised and ill conceived Excellent Adventure in Iraq was a major fsck up on his Administration.

Is anyone else here old enough to remember what happened on those old 45rpm record players when the needle jumped over the paper label and landed on that little yellow plastic insert that allowed 45s to play on a 33rpm player? I suspect Red remembers this phenomenon ...at the Y-M-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-A 🙂

Hey John, nice to see your trolling ass back here posting again. Well I think your last post was a troll though I'm not quite sure what it actually meant.

haha, I thought he sounded familiar 😀