Sheehan's protest increasing war support

[zendari]

Originally posted by: OrByte
someone please answer me this:

why is this woman getting SO MUCH media attention!?!!?

She is entertaining and a great argument against liberalism.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It's obvious that the GOP didn't conspire to bring her out, but Karl is benefiting from the distraction.

Keep up the deflections Secrete Agents 'Z & BB'

How so? What did he do? Who is your source, the NYT or Time Magazine? Any charges brought against him? No? Really? Hmmmmm.

 

[alchemize]

I think special forces should capture Cindy and tattoo "STFU" on her forehead. (After Chavez, then after Robertson).

 

[johnnobts]

someone please answer me this:

why is this woman getting SO MUCH media attention!?!!?

_______________________
b/c the liberal media hates george bush too.

as for the topic at hand, for cindy to say the terrorists are freedom fighters is pathetic. freedom fighters don't target their OWN people, including children. call a spade a spade and terrorists terrorists.

something that disgusted me a couple weeks ago was when someone on hardball tried to compare the insurgents in iraq to the Revolutionary War in America. And Chris Matthews jumped in and said, "Well the Birtish called the American troops 'insurgents' too." I hate this moral equivocating. The contrasts b/c the American fight for independence vs. these workers of terror here in iraq are huge!

I feel more sorry for Cindy's family at this point than for Cinidy.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari

She is entertaining and a great argument against liberalism.

Okay, tiger - you talk a big game, and it's time for you to step up to the plate:

How, in your OWN opinion, does Cindy Sheehan represent a "great argument against liberalism"?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

You know, the only time I hear anything about this woman is when some republican is complaining about her. I find this to be quite ironic as most republicans don't want her in the news...

she's just an ordinary woman, why the hell are you paying attention? geez she is no expert, no politician, no anything but a grieving mother demanding an explanation to satisfy her own feelings about her son. quit giving her credibility by attacking her like shes bill clinton. sheesh.

The anti-war movement and the media are the ones attempting to keep her in the spotlight...various news agencies and media reports provide commentary or coverage of her protests on a daily basis.

At least the positive news coverage she has received dismisses all accusations of the news media being controlled by the fascist Bush regume.

take a look at p&n, look closely on what types of posts are about her and from whom

You realize that ATP&N comprises about 30 people, right? You can draw no legitimate inferences about the population of anything from this little microcosm.

exactly my point, the same right wing people are complaining to the same group of people who simply dont care either way about her

the support threads are well... from dave maybe? conjur maybe? is that the threads these complainers are countering?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
someone please answer me this:

why is this woman getting SO MUCH media attention!?!!?

_______________________
b/c the liberal media hates george bush too.

as for the topic at hand, for cindy to say the terrorists are freedom fighters is pathetic. freedom fighters don't target their OWN people, including children. call a spade a spade and terrorists terrorists.

something that disgusted me a couple weeks ago was when someone on hardball tried to compare the insurgents in iraq to the Revolutionary War in America. And Chris Matthews jumped in and said, "Well the Birtish called the American troops 'insurgents' too." I hate this moral equivocating. The contrasts b/c the American fight for independence vs. these workers of terror here in iraq are huge!

I feel more sorry for Cindy's family at this point than for Cinidy.

read my link in the first reply about what freedom fighters are

 

[Starbuck1975]

and dood, i'm an antiwar liberal, and i ignore her, and think the whole thing is silly. turn off faux news, take a valium, and relax man you're gonna give yourself a heartattack.

I am more amused by her then anything else...outside of the local evening news, the only other news channel I watch is BBC because I like to know what is going on outside of America.

take a look at p&n, look closely on what types of posts are about her and from whom

Kind of like those that have made it their daily ritual to attack President Bush.

 

[Harvey]

Leave it to fringe whacko sites like World Net Daily to pimp the neocon spin on anything they post. Let's analyze what she said in context:

"You know that the president says Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism, don't you believe that?" asked Mark Knoller of CBS, surrounded by a host of other reporters.

"No, because it's not true," Sheehan replied. "You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they're not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state.

True.

But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country.

It is true that real terrorist organizations have taken advantage of the chaos and used the American presence as a pretext for their activities.

It is also true that many Iraqis and others from other Islamic countries have been so offended by our actions that they in fact believe they are "freedom fighters." A lot of that belief may be based on ignorance and misinformation, but if thier belief is real, their personal motives are what makes them "freedom fighters," and their tactics are those available to them.

The worst part is, the Bushwhackos have been so clumsy, stupid and inept in their mishandling of Irag that they have handed terrorist orgnaizations like Al Qaeda a full set of perfect recruiting tools to capitalize on the native hostility.

The terrorism is growing and people who never thought of being car bombers or suicide bombers are now doing it because they want the United States of America out of their country."

In his memoirs, A World Transformed (1998), written with Brent Scowcroft, on pp. 489 - 490, George H.W. Bush prediected exactly what has happened:

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.

If only his idiot son could read!

Originally posted by: zendari
Was Hitler was a freedom fighter too? Probably yes according to Cindy Sheehan since she hates Jewish people.

zendari -- I'm calling you out as a LYING POS for that statement. Nowhere in that entire lame article is there one word that suggests Cindy Sheehan is antisemitic. All you have proven with such a wild assertion is that you have all the wisdom and insight of a brainless bigot like Pat Robertson. :roll:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

You know, the only time I hear anything about this woman is when some republican is complaining about her. I find this to be quite ironic as most republicans don't want her in the news...

she's just an ordinary woman, why the hell are you paying attention? geez she is no expert, no politician, no anything but a grieving mother demanding an explanation to satisfy her own feelings about her son. quit giving her credibility by attacking her like shes bill clinton. sheesh.

The anti-war movement and the media are the ones attempting to keep her in the spotlight...various news agencies and media reports provide commentary or coverage of her protests on a daily basis.

At least the positive news coverage she has received dismisses all accusations of the news media being controlled by the fascist Bush regume.

take a look at p&n, look closely on what types of posts are about her and from whom

You realize that ATP&N comprises about 30 people, right? You can draw no legitimate inferences about the population of anything from this little microcosm.

exactly my point, the same right wing people are complaining to the same group of people who simply dont care either way about her

the support threads are well... from dave maybe? conjur maybe? is that the threads these complainers are countering?

she gets my sympathy's, but she doesnt get my support, and thats the way it should be. Because all she has going for her is what everyone else on this goddam planet has and that is an OPINION. Just because she lost her son to a war doesnt mean her opinion is any more or less valid than mine, or yours...so who the flying fvck cares what she says?

its getting old.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
And if another country attacked a United States some day, invaded and occupied our land, and deposed our president, I am sure all of us who decided to fight against them in a non-military capacity would consider ourselves terrorists! And if Canadians and Mexicans crossed the borders to help, they would be terrorists, too! Bahahaha. Puleaaze. The OP suxorz. Czar already owned you with the definition. Tuck your tail and walk away.

hehe:thumbsup:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: zendari
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Cindy Sheehan, the so-called Peace Mom seeking a second meeting with President Bush in connection with the Iraq War death of her son, says terrorists killing Americans are "freedom fighters."

She made the remark during her trek earlier this month to Crawford, Texas; but her equating the enemy with freedom fighters has not been highlighted by the mainstream media, despite her telling it directly to a reporter for CBS News.

Sheehan's comments were recorded on video by Veterans for Peace, a group pushing for Bush's impeachment. (Editor's note: The video of Cindy Sheehan is approximately 30 minutes long, and requires several minutes to load, even with a high-speed connection.)

"You know that the president says Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism, don't you believe that?" asked Mark Knoller of CBS, surrounded by a host of other reporters.

"No, because it's not true," Sheehan replied. "You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they're not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state. But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country. The terrorism is growing and people who never thought of being car bombers or suicide bombers are now doing it because they want the United States of America out of their country."

A WorldNetDaily search of CBS News, Google News, and Lexis-Nexis archives found not a single news report mentioning Sheehan's "freedom fighters" remark.

"The question of whether or not we should be in Iraq is not relevant in this discussion," Fred Keller of Clearwater, Fla., told WND. "We're there and have troops in the field under fire and these people are aiding and abetting the enemy."

"What's her problem then?" asked one messageboard poster on FreeRepublic.com. "Her son was killed by a 'freedom fighter.' She should be proud."

Sheehan also called for the immediate withdrawal of all American troops, characterizing the ongoing conflict in Iraq as a "travesty."

"It's a monstrosity," she said. "It was based on lies, and since it was based on lies, why are people still dying every day for lies? That's what they're dying for. And as soon as we get them out of the country, the insurgency will go down. They might have a little bit of trouble at first, but you know every Iraqi tells me, 'We're a civilization that has been around for thousands of years. We can handle our own problems.'"

Sheehan referred to her son, Casey, not as a war hero, but rather a war victim.

Casey Sheehan poses with John Wayne replica in this undated photo

"If I was thinking straight, which I wasn't, I never would have allowed a military funeral, and I wouldn't have buried him in his uniform," Sheehan said. "I just basically stayed sitting on my couch, crying and drinking for a week."

Sheehan left Texas last week to care for her 74-year-old mother who had a stroke. She's expected to return soon to Crawford, where anti-war activists/entertainers such as singer Joan Baez and Margot Kidder, best known for her role as Lois Lane in "Superman," have been making headlines.

Kidder, a Canadian who has lived in Montana for 34 years, became a U.S. citizen last week so she could protest the Iraq War without being deported to Canada.


President Bush kissing Cindy Sheehan in family photo dated June 18, 2004

President Bush, meanwhile, is slated to spend two hours tomorrow with families of other slain soldiers.

"Well, I did meet with Cindy Sheehan," Bush said, referring to his meeting with the entire Sheehan family last June at Fort Lewis, Wash. "I strongly support her right to protest. There's a lot of people protesting. And there's a lot of points of view about the Iraq war."

"She expressed her opinion. I disagree with it," he added, noting Sheehan's pullout philosophy. "I think immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake. I think those who advocate immediate withdrawal from not only Iraq but the Middle East would be ? are advocating a policy that would weaken the United States. So I appreciate her right to protest. I understand her anguish. I met with a lot of families. She doesn't represent the view of a lot of the families I have met with. And I'll continue to meet with families."




Was Hitler was a freedom fighter too? Probably yes according to Cindy Sheehan since she hates Jewish people.

It's quite evident that Cindy isn't on the side of the troops and is indeed wishes that our troops are killed.

What if one of these people strapped a bomb on and blew your family up Cindy? Would they be freedom fighters too?

What is The Golden Rule?

 

[johnnobts]

And if another country attacked a United States some day, invaded and occupied our land, and deposed our president, I am sure all of us who decided to fight against them in a non-military capacity would consider ourselves terrorists! And if Canadians and Mexicans crossed the borders to help, they would be terrorists, too! Bahahaha. Puleaaze. The OP suxorz. Czar already owned you with the definition. Tuck your tail and walk away.

_________________________

no, if we mounted a resistance in our country to wage war against the invading country, we could call ourselves freedom fighters. the moment we started killing women and children, we would be terrorists too. i also might have more respect for these groups if they didn't take civilian workers hostage and cut their heads off.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

She is entertaining and a great argument against liberalism.

Okay, tiger - you talk a big game, and it's time for you to step up to the plate:

How, in your OWN opinion, does Cindy Sheehan represent a "great argument against liberalism"?

All one has to do is listen to the hate filled rhetoric and gems like "This country isn't worth dying for" to see how the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion are inherently anti-American and anti-freedom.

Radicals like Cindy Sheehan and her hippie baby boomer generation peers have done intensive damage to the country and we see the results, whether through women murdering their fetuses, labor unions with worthless employees, entitlements, transfer payment schemes, drugs and narcotics abuse, and bitterness towards others for ones own failures. Just take a look at all the mid 40s-50s liberals on this board, and the future of our country in the hands of, as you put it, young conversatives.

I was not born, as you put it, a rabid neoconservative. I was not raised a rabid neoconservative. My parents and the rest of my family are somewhat centrist and some even Kerry supporters. I was driven to it by the likes of Cindy Sheehan. And considering that Republicans hold all 3 branches of the federal government, it looks like the same has happened to many others as well.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think special forces should capture Cindy and tattoo "STFU" on her forehead. (After Chavez, then after Robertson).

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
And if another country attacked a United States some day, invaded and occupied our land, and deposed our president, I am sure all of us who decided to fight against them in a non-military capacity would consider ourselves terrorists! And if Canadians and Mexicans crossed the borders to help, they would be terrorists, too! Bahahaha. Puleaaze. The OP suxorz. Czar already owned you with the definition. Tuck your tail and walk away.

_________________________

no, if we mounted a resistance in our country to wage war against the invading country, we could call ourselves freedom fighters. the moment we started killing women and children, we would be terrorists too. i also might have more respect for these groups if they didn't take civilian workers hostage and cut their heads off.

in all conflicts it would get to that point

at one point some of the people the us freedom fighters were protecting would turn to the *cough* sweden and help them, at that point in the eyes of the freedom fighters these citizens would become a valid target, and slowly that definition of a valid targed would widen to include more and more people

its that you are either with us or against us philosophy, a sign of desperate times

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Was Hitler was a freedom fighter too? Probably yes according to Cindy Sheehan since she hates Jewish people.

zendari -- I'm calling you out as a LYING POS for that statement. Nowhere in that entire lame article is there one word that suggests Cindy Sheehan is antisemitic. All you have proven with such a wild assertion is that you have all the wisdom and insight of a brainless bigot like Pat Robertson. :roll:

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel

We should not let Israel/USA invade Syria or Iran.

You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," she exclaimed."

It?s OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons but we are waging nuclear war in Iraq, we have contaminated the entire country. It?s not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. Hypocrites! But Israel can occupy Palestine?

hmmmm, i never knew we nuked Iraq.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,"


BTW, we attacked Germany in 1945. I wonder what Cindy's opinion of that pre-emptive assault was.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
I was not born, as you put it, a rabid neoconservative. I was not raised a rabid neoconservative. My parents and the rest of my family are somewhat centrist and some even Kerry supporters. I was driven to it by the likes of Cindy Sheehan.

BULLSH8!!! You were spouting the same neocon drivel long before Cindy Sheehan was around. Peabrains like you scare me.

BTW, we attacked Germany in 1945. I wonder what Cindy's opinion of that pre-emptive assault was.

Earth to zendari!... Earth to zendari!... Better rewind your sundial. Your knowledge of history is sadly lacking:

A Brief History of WWII

The United States Enters the War

On December 7, 1941, while German armies were freezing before Moscow, Japan suddenly pushed the United States into the struggle by attacking the American naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Four days later Hitler declared war on the United States.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Was Hitler was a freedom fighter too? Probably yes according to Cindy Sheehan since she hates Jewish people.

zendari -- I'm calling you out as a LYING POS for that statement. Nowhere in that entire lame article is there one word that suggests Cindy Sheehan is antisemitic. All you have proven with such a wild assertion is that you have all the wisdom and insight of a brainless bigot like Pat Robertson. :roll:

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel

We should not let Israel/USA invade Syria or Iran.

You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," she exclaimed."

It?s OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons but we are waging nuclear war in Iraq, we have contaminated the entire country. It?s not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. Hypocrites! But Israel can occupy Palestine?

hmmmm, i never knew we nuked Iraq.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,"

I want a direct link to where she said that AND all your previous "quotes"...

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: dahunan

What is The Golden Rule?[/quote]

If you lost a son, you have no tax liabilites? That sounds like a golden rule.

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: zendari

BTW, we attacked Germany in 1945. I wonder what Cindy's opinion of that pre-emptive assault was.

Right, and it was Japan (al qaeda ) that attacked us, so why are we occupying Germany (Iraq).

[edit] I think I know the answer to what Cindy's opinion would have been: 6 million Jews are not worth dying for and they should have never been occupying their country.

 

[owensdj]

umbrella39, are you joking? The terrorists in Iraq aren't fighting against a foreign occupation, at least not any more. They're fighting against the democratically elected government of Iraq.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
I was not born, as you put it, a rabid neoconservative. I was not raised a rabid neoconservative. My parents and the rest of my family are somewhat centrist and some even Kerry supporters. I was driven to it by the likes of Cindy Sheehan.

BULLSH8!!! You were spouting the same neocon drivel long before Cindy Sheehan was around. Peabrains like you scare me.

I'm sure hyper-reactionary, personal-attack abusing posters with as much power as you possess here are equally, if not moreso, as scary to some...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BushBasha
Right, and it was Japan (al qaeda ) that attacked us, so why are we occupying Germany (Iraq).

What a truly piss poor analogy. In WW II, Germany declared war on the U.S., not the other way around, but had we been prepared and as politically alert as we should have been, we should have been all over Hitler's army years earlier. Unlike Saddam, Hitler was already actively marching across most of western Europe by the time we entered the war, and his ongoing genocide in all of those conquered nations was known.

[edit] I think I know the answer to what Cindy's opinion would have been: 6 million Jews are not worth dying for and they should have never been occupying their country.

That's the same unfounded bullsh8 zendari was spewing. Prove your moronic assertion, or STFU!! :|

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

She is entertaining and a great argument against liberalism.

Okay, tiger - you talk a big game, and it's time for you to step up to the plate:

How, in your OWN opinion, does Cindy Sheehan represent a "great argument against liberalism"?

All one has to do is listen to the hate filled rhetoric and gems like "This country isn't worth dying for" to see how the liberal agenda of socialism, class jealousy/warfare, and coercion are inherently anti-American and anti-freedom.

Radicals like Cindy Sheehan and her hippie baby boomer generation peers have done intensive damage to the country and we see the results, whether through women murdering their fetuses, labor unions with worthless employees, entitlements, transfer payment schemes, drugs and narcotics abuse, and bitterness towards others for ones own failures. Just take a look at all the mid 40s-50s liberals on this board, and the future of our country in the hands of, as you put it, young conversatives.

I was not born, as you put it, a rabid neoconservative. I was not raised a rabid neoconservative. My parents and the rest of my family are somewhat centrist and some even Kerry supporters. I was driven to it by the likes of Cindy Sheehan. And considering that Republicans hold all 3 branches of the federal government, it looks like the same has happened to many others as well.

WOW So young and so much hate, and you don't even blame yourself, you just blame your imaginary liberal conspiracy.