She Came to America to Learn

[Atreus21]

Err how does carbon dioxide explode?

Dry ice bomb I suppose, but those aren't much more destructive than fireworks. At least as far as I know.

EDIT: Evidently they can be dangerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice_bomb

 

[Gryz]

describe to me how MY guns here in MY house are a threat to any kid anywhere.

This is not about you.
Some things require a collaborative effort.
You know: doing things together.
That's a concept that's lost in America. The only thing that counts in American society and American culture is: "ME!".

I live in a country were nobody has a gun. Only policemen have guns (and the military). And the policemen don't even always wear their guns. And they hardly use them. Does that mean we have no guns at all in society ? Nope, of course not. Hardcore organized crime has guns. But your average thug in the streets does not. Illegal guns are expensive. And kids can't bring their dad's gun to school when they are pissed off. And because there are hardly any guns in my country, nobody is actually afraid of guns. Our policemen never shoot people because they are scared. We don't have people shooting at other people just for ringing their doorbell. I live in an civilized country. And everyone in my country understands that you can't live peacefully when you have a shitload of guns around.

It's a really simple concept.

 

[ivwshane]

This is not about you.
Some things require a collaborative effort.
You know: doing things together.
That's a concept that's lost in America. The only thing that counts in American society and American culture is: "ME!".

I live in a country were nobody has a gun. Only policemen have guns (and the military). And the policemen don't even always wear their guns. And they hardly use them. Does that mean we have no guns at all in society ? Nope, of course not. Hardcore organized crime has guns. But your average thug in the streets does not. Illegal guns are expensive. And kids can't bring their dad's gun to school when they are pissed off. And because there are hardly any guns in my country, nobody is actually afraid of guns. Our policemen never shoot people because they are scared. We don't have people shooting at other people just for ringing their doorbell. I live in an civilized country. And everyone in my country understands that you can't live peacefully when you have a shitload of guns around.

It's a really simple concept.

I guarantee you the guy is a baby boomer. The only thing they know is "me", team work is a foreign concept to them. Its a fyigm attitude.

 

[dphantom]

I guarantee you the guy is a baby boomer. The only thing they know is "me", team work is a foreign concept to them. Its a fyigm attitude.

This country was founded on individual liberty and freedom. If you had taken any history classes, you would know that concept long predates "baby boomers".

 

[Blackjack200]

And everyone in my country understands that you can't live peacefully when you have a shitload of guns around.

It's a really simple concept.

Bottom line. Americans completely reject the idea that they live in a society. "If I'm not shooting anyone with my gun, how can I possibly have any individual responsibility here?"

There won't be any progress on this issue or any other until Americans can accept that they are responsible to the communities they live in.

Edit: Exhibit A

This country was founded on individual liberty and freedom. If you had taken any history classes, you would know that concept long predates "baby boomers".

 

[pmv]

This country was founded on individual liberty and freedom. If you had taken any history classes, you would know that concept long predates "baby boomers".

Are those history classes you took or national propaganda and myth-making classes?

 

[ivwshane]

This country was founded on individual liberty and freedom. If you had taken any history classes, you would know that concept long predates "baby boomers".

No it was actually founded on collectivism and as a society and government for and by the people. Individualism was a factor in that the freedom to be one led to a better society. Its why the revolution was over a lack of representation and not about not wanting to pay taxes. Its why the founding fathers made it so that no one person had all the power and influence and all branches of government were able to put a check on one another. Its why the constitution gave the state's the ability to defend itself and why the constitution gave the federal government (specifically the president) to call on state militias to protect this nation. Its why the constitution specifically states that the federal government has the right and duty to put down rebellions and insurrections.

Do you even fucking history brah?

 

[ivwshane]

Are those history classes you took or national propaganda and myth-making classes?

He was home schooled and fucking the teacher was cool back then.

 

[dphantom]

Bottom line. Americans completely reject the idea that they live in a society. "If I'm not shooting anyone with my gun, how can I possibly have any individual responsibility here?"

There won't be any progress on this issue or any other until Americans can accept that they are responsible to the communities they live in.

Edit: Exhibit A

Individual liberty and freedom mandates an individual responsibility to society else society falls into anarchy. Everything from our inalienable rights to private property are based on an individual.

Having society dictate what our rights and responsibilities are means we have no rights and both our rights and responsibilities can change at the whim of the mob - or government.

 

[dphantom]

No it was actually founded on collectivism and as a society and government for and by the people. Individualism was a factor in that the freedom to be one led to a better society. Its why the revolution was over a lack of representation and not about not wanting to pay taxes. Its why the founding fathers made it so that no one person had all the power and influence and all branches of government were able to put a check on one another. Its why the constitution gave the state's the ability to defend itself and why the constitution gave the federal government (specifically the president) to call on state militias to protect this nation. Its why the constitution specifically states that the federal government has the right and duty to put down rebellions and insurrections.

Do you even fucking history brah?

individualism was the key factor. not sure how you are skewing collectivism to get it to mean what you say.

 

[dphantom]

He was home schooled and fucking the teacher was cool back then.

and if all else fails, lead with the personal insults.

 

[Paratus]

Since one of the weapons he had with him was a bomb using carbon dioxide, evidently we need to ban both guns and air.

All "explosive devices" appeared to be non-functional based on one story I read.

Yup
According to the police on local news, none of the ‘devices’ were actually explosive. They were just a collection of pressure cookers, digital clocks and nails but no explosives.

Look how dumb you are: all of the casualties were shooting victims so congratulations on destroying your own argument.

I like how Glenn specifically said ban air instead of ban CO2. Got to keep those climate change denier bonafides.

 

[ivwshane]

Individual liberty and freedom mandates an individual responsibility to society else society falls into anarchy. Everything from our inalienable rights to private property are based on an individual.

Having society dictate what our rights and responsibilities are means we have no rights and both our rights and responsibilities can change at the whim of the mob - or government.

Lol! I love when you dumb asses own yourselves.

Its kind of hard to be an individual and enjoy freedom when you have a responsibility to other people!

 

[ivwshane]

and if all else fails, lead with the personal insults.

Actually I didn't lead with it. I countered your point and then I insulted you. You then made my point and proved my insult to be correct. Good job moron!

 

[Blackjack200]

Individual liberty and freedom mandates an individual responsibility to society else society falls into anarchy. Everything from our inalienable rights to private property are based on an individual.

Having society dictate what our rights and responsibilities are means we have no rights and both our rights and responsibilities can change at the whim of the mob - or government.

I'm was going to make a wise ass comment about tightening your fedora, but then I looked at your signature and wondered why I would ever engage with someone with an ode to Robert E. Lee. Pretty much says it all.

 

[SheHateMe]

RIP to all the kids whose lives were snuffed out. I really fear for my 11 year old sister as she goes through primary school.

 

[1sikbITCH]

What should've been done to prevent this?

Prevent racism? Stop teaching children to hate. Pretty fuckin simple.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Prevent racism? Stop teaching children to hate. Pretty fuckin simple.

Have any of the school shootings been about race?

 

[dphantom]

I'm was going to make a wise ass comment about tightening your fedora, but then I looked at your signature and wondered why I would ever engage with someone with an ode to Robert E. Lee. Pretty much says it all.

The quote is from the greatest progressive of the 20th century. I thought it humorous to add to my sig during the hoopla around tearing down Civil War statues by today's progressives

 

[glenn1]

Bottom line. Americans completely reject the idea that they live in a society. "If I'm not shooting anyone with my gun, how can I possibly have any individual responsibility here?"

There won't be any progress on this issue or any other until Americans can accept that they are responsible to the communities they live in.

Edit: Exhibit A

Actually we work under the presumption that you're free to exercise your rights until they actually (and not theoretically) infringe on another's so your quoted formulation with bolded bits about individual responsibility is 100% accurate. You're not made the slightest bit safer or more "living in society" by restricting the rights of the law abiding to guns than you are to restricting speech for everyone to prevent a few dozen neo-Nazis from saying something bad about Jews. I have no personally use or desire for neo-Nazis or AK-47s but think we're a better and freer society because we have a nation that allows damn near anything including what I don't like or want myself. I'll take the risk of a "dangerous" society filled with large sodas, Happy Meals in plastic non-biodegradeable bags, assault rifles, same-sex marriage, transsexuals in bathrooms, GMO foods, neo-nazis and Klansmen and every other possible "risk" you can think of over the "safe" and antiseptic world you would create where our freedoms were limited to the handful of things that didn't scare you.

 

[UglyCasanova]

She Came to America to Learn

From Pakistan

There are an estimated 20 million firearms in public ownership in Pakistan (both legal and illegal), of which 7 million are registered among the country's population of over 180 million.[9] The rate of private gun ownership is 11.6 firearms per 100 people.[10] In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Pakistan ranks at No.6.[11][12] As of 2009, the homicide rate is 7.3 per 100,000 population, higher than the United States at 5.0 per 100,000 population.

 

[ivwshane]

Actually we work under the presumption that you're free to exercise your rights until they actually (and not theoretically) infringe on another's so your quoted formulation with bolded bits about individual responsibility is 100% accurate. You're not made the slightest bit safer or more "living in society" by restricting the rights of the law abiding to guns than you are to restricting speech for everyone to prevent a few dozen neo-Nazis from saying something bad about Jews. I have no personally use or desire for neo-Nazis or AK-47s but think we're a better and freer society because we have a nation that allows damn near anything including what I don't like or want myself. I'll take the risk of a "dangerous" society filled with large sodas, Happy Meals in plastic non-biodegradeable bags, assault rifles, same-sex marriage, transsexuals in bathrooms, GMO foods, neo-nazis and Klansmen and every other possible "risk" you can think of over the "safe" and antiseptic world you would create where our freedoms were limited to the handful of things that didn't scare you.

The key word being "infringe", as in people who have guns are more likely to infringe on the rights of others. Aka, the reason we have most laws. Laws aren't created because everyone is doing a particular thing that infringes on everyone's rights, they are created because some people/entities are infringing on some peoples rights.

I find it odd how guns simply don't follow protocol or standards like every other issue this country has ever had.

 

[UglyCasanova]

people who have guns are more likely to infringe on the rights of others.

Eh?

 

[ivwshane]

Eh?

Its a tool that has very few uses and one of those primary uses is to infringe on peoples most basic right, the right to live.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Its a tool that has very few uses and one of those primary uses is to infringe on peoples most basic right, the right to live.

It’s also a tool to prevent people from taking away your most basic human right. And heck some people even hunt with em! :beer: