Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
cheezy321
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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
cheezy321
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I still dont understand all the hate in this thread...
People say the suns are a "run n gun" team obviously dont understand that a fast break can still be run with 4 people.
The suns are weak when the game gets slowed down to a halfcourt game. Look at the last suns game against the spurs. The suns were winning the whole game, then just fell off the face of this earth when it actually mattered.
As an ACTUAL suns fan (One who has watched almost every game for the past 4 years and have followed them extensively since the barkley era), i think this is a good roll of the dice IF shaq is healthy.
NEVER, and i repeat, NEVER in the history of the Suns have they had a good center. 40+ years have gone by without the suns having a legitimate big man. It's time for some kind of change, and I think a rejuvinated Shaq could do it for us.
People said the same thing about Steve Nash when he came to the Suns. People said the same thing about Grant hill when he came to the suns. Now people are saying the same thing about Shaq when he comes to the Suns.
My last question is this:
Nash, Amare and Shaq all command a double team. So when all three of them are in the game, who is the defense going to focus on? Its going to be next to impossible.
People say the suns are a "run n gun" team obviously dont understand that a fast break can still be run with 4 people.
The suns are weak when the game gets slowed down to a halfcourt game. Look at the last suns game against the spurs. The suns were winning the whole game, then just fell off the face of this earth when it actually mattered.
As an ACTUAL suns fan (One who has watched almost every game for the past 4 years and have followed them extensively since the barkley era), i think this is a good roll of the dice IF shaq is healthy.
NEVER, and i repeat, NEVER in the history of the Suns have they had a good center. 40+ years have gone by without the suns having a legitimate big man. It's time for some kind of change, and I think a rejuvinated Shaq could do it for us.
People said the same thing about Steve Nash when he came to the Suns. People said the same thing about Grant hill when he came to the suns. Now people are saying the same thing about Shaq when he comes to the Suns.
My last question is this:
Nash, Amare and Shaq all command a double team. So when all three of them are in the game, who is the defense going to focus on? Its going to be next to impossible.
slayer202
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Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
you are an idiot...we are talking about NOW, not years ago...and by your logic, you are the one that would say the patriots are still the best
oh, and the lakers are better than the suns
PHX needed help defensively more than anything. They needed a defensive anchor and they got Shaq, who is far from that at this point. This will go down as the worst trade in PHX history.
cheezy321
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Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
you are an idiot...we are talking about NOW, not years ago...and by your logic, you are the one that would say the patriots are still the best
oh, and the lakers are better than the suns
Do you remember when people said the same thing about Nash? How he is washed up and Phoenix is taking a big chance on him?
They didn't say it as much with grant hill (Because we got him for so cheap), but there were still lots of haters saying Grant is going to be injured all the time and will never be productive. Besides an appendectomy, Grant is playing like he did years ago.....
People are saying the same thing about Shaq again....
It seems to me that the Sun in Phoenix is great at healing these "washed up, injured" players
On second thought.... this is great for Shaq.
1. Recent Divorce and this gets him out of Miami
2. Losing = Depression and thats not good when you play for the Heat
3. Bad relationship with Riley... sinking fast
4. New scenery and realistically probably the last "new" style of basketball he will play in his career. Fast paced, Nash/Amare/Shaq, hes been on all sorts of awesome lineups
For example:
Penny/Shaq then getting reamed by Hakeem
Kobe/Shaq - fun while it lasted... as well as being coached by Phil Jackson
Kobe/Shaq/Malone/Peyton - hall of fame line up
Shaq/Wade - Flash/Superman
1. Recent Divorce and this gets him out of Miami
2. Losing = Depression and thats not good when you play for the Heat
3. Bad relationship with Riley... sinking fast
4. New scenery and realistically probably the last "new" style of basketball he will play in his career. Fast paced, Nash/Amare/Shaq, hes been on all sorts of awesome lineups
For example:
Penny/Shaq then getting reamed by Hakeem
Kobe/Shaq - fun while it lasted... as well as being coached by Phil Jackson
Kobe/Shaq/Malone/Peyton - hall of fame line up
Shaq/Wade - Flash/Superman
slayer202
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lol, no, I don't remember anything about people talking about nash being washed up...And grant and shaq are two different players. One of them (grant) has had bad luck with getting injured, and on the other hand, shaq is getting too old and worn down, which is causing injuries.
Either way, you make it seem like the suns have a reputation for making good moves, especially with older players...
I understand you are a suns fan, but come on now...Shaq might have been one of the better big men that are on the trading block, but only because no one else is out there, and that does not make the deal a smart one. Would have been better off getting a SG or SF
It feels just like yesterday when the Heat held that huge press conference when they acquired Shaq and they had all that Hoopla with Shaq in front of the stadium telling Miami how many championships he was going to bring to the city for years to come. Oh well, at least they got one before he left.
I do feel bad for Marion though.. Reminds me of a story..
I saw him last year at a steakhouse in Chicago (Tavern on Rush) and some chinese dude walking on the street saw him and asked him if he was Stephon Marbury. LOL The look on Marion's face as priceless as he corrected him... "Marbury? No man. Im Shawn Marion.. Pfft."
I do feel bad for Marion though.. Reminds me of a story..
I saw him last year at a steakhouse in Chicago (Tavern on Rush) and some chinese dude walking on the street saw him and asked him if he was Stephon Marbury. LOL The look on Marion's face as priceless as he corrected him... "Marbury? No man. Im Shawn Marion.. Pfft."
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
you are an idiot...we are talking about NOW, not years ago...and by your logic, you are the one that would say the patriots are still the best
oh, and the lakers are better than the suns
Do you remember when people said the same thing about Nash? How he is washed up and Phoenix is taking a big chance on him?
They didn't say it as much with grant hill (Because we got him for so cheap), but there were still lots of haters saying Grant is going to be injured all the time and will never be productive. Besides an appendectomy, Grant is playing like he did years ago.....
People are saying the same thing about Shaq again....
It seems to me that the Sun in Phoenix is great at healing these "washed up, injured" players
Haha.
1. I am a Mavs fan, I sure as hell didn't hear ANYONE around here saying Nash is washed up nor did I see it in his play.
2. How many games has Shaq missed this season? Last season?
If you are this gung ho let's make some side wagers on how many minutes Shaq will play for the rest of the regular season. My estimate is 480. What do you think?
XMan
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I agree. I've been a Suns fan since the Hornacek/KJ/Chambers days . . .
As to the bolded point, again, I agree. You'd think people never watched the Celtics of the mid-80's, or the Showtime Lakers. Both teams that loved to run the break, and both teams that had guys that didn't exactly race up and down the floor . . . (Kareem . . . Walton . . .McHale . . . Parish). You just need somebody to block a shot or outlet a rebound . . . and Shaq is a very good passer.
XMan
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
you are an idiot...we are talking about NOW, not years ago...and by your logic, you are the one that would say the patriots are still the best
oh, and the lakers are better than the suns
Do you remember when people said the same thing about Nash? How he is washed up and Phoenix is taking a big chance on him?
They didn't say it as much with grant hill (Because we got him for so cheap), but there were still lots of haters saying Grant is going to be injured all the time and will never be productive. Besides an appendectomy, Grant is playing like he did years ago.....
People are saying the same thing about Shaq again....
It seems to me that the Sun in Phoenix is great at healing these "washed up, injured" players
Haha.
1. I am a Mavs fan, I sure as hell didn't hear ANYONE around here saying Nash is washed up nor did I see it in his play.
2. How many games has Shaq missed this season? Last season?
If you are this gung ho let's make some side wagers on how many minutes Shaq will play for the rest of the regular season. My estimate is 480. What do you think?
Your owner said it, boss, after the Suns offered him a contract. Why do you think Steve loves sticking it to Dallas every time they play?
i dont follow basketball but i sure as hell thought this guy was done already. i cant tell you the last time i heard his name.
IAteYourMother
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
Ok.. I'd rather have Marion over Shaq anyday... but that doesn't mean he's lost all talent.
Explain. He is a talentless hack. Unless you think "talent" means size.
Talentless Hack? ummmmmmmmmm I dont even know how to begin with this one.
How about the 4 NBA championship rings he has?
Oh, is that not enough for you?
How about the fact that since 1999 the NBA finals have had either Shaq or Duncan in them?
Still not enough?
Well then sir you are retarded and probably still think the patriots are the best team in the NFL
you are an idiot...we are talking about NOW, not years ago...and by your logic, you are the one that would say the patriots are still the best
oh, and the lakers are better than the suns
Do you remember when people said the same thing about Nash? How he is washed up and Phoenix is taking a big chance on him?
They didn't say it as much with grant hill (Because we got him for so cheap), but there were still lots of haters saying Grant is going to be injured all the time and will never be productive. Besides an appendectomy, Grant is playing like he did years ago.....
People are saying the same thing about Shaq again....
It seems to me that the Sun in Phoenix is great at healing these "washed up, injured" players
Haha.
1. I am a Mavs fan, I sure as hell didn't hear ANYONE around here saying Nash is washed up nor did I see it in his play.
2. How many games has Shaq missed this season? Last season?
If you are this gung ho let's make some side wagers on how many minutes Shaq will play for the rest of the regular season. My estimate is 480. What do you think?
another guarantee? Even after your Mavs lost in 6 to the Warriors in the playoffs?
Miramonti
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Shaq is only as good as his health holds up, and his health holds up only as much as he keeps his weight down. And he can't keep his weight down if his health doesn't hold up...
Its definitely diminishing returns with shaq, altho to be fair, if anyone can help put some youth back into shaq's legs, it will be playing with a steve nash.
Its definitely diminishing returns with shaq, altho to be fair, if anyone can help put some youth back into shaq's legs, it will be playing with a steve nash.
SunnyD
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I don't care for basketball either, but I know of the players involved and recognized a basketball thread before entering/commenting. What's your excuse?
SunnyD
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