Shaq going to Cavs

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I like the move the Spurs made better.

I don't see the Spurs being any threat in the west at all, the Lakers seem to still be in tact, the Nuggets I think established themselves as the #2 team in the west, it'd be hard to consider the Spurs even the #3 team with the Mavs/Rockets out there too..

I guarantee you the Spurs are #3 in the West now.

I honestly think healthy Spurs + Jefferson can beat the Nuggets in a 7 game series.

Yea that's the only thing with the Spurs, the past 2 years have ben injury prone. We can only hope they stay healthy. I hope the Nuggets grow even more than they have this apst season. Billups made them so much better. They can only grow.

 

[ric1287]

good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense and the best player in the league)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look effortless).

Imagine how many high %/ dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: PhaZe
Rockets will be #3...mark my words!!!

Tmac's last year on the contract so I'm sure he's going to play awesome to get a decent renewal or other offer.

My sarcasm meter is off the charts!!!!

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: ric1287
good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look easy).

Imagine how many high % dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

Like I said before, he'll be playing limited minutes so when he does come in, he'll be strong. Look at how good he was this past season with all that rest he had. He sat games where he didn't need to play and it helped. He's a definite addition to the Cavs.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ric1287
good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense and the best player in the league)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look effortless).

Imagine how many high %/ dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

Yeah, and he's too old to play the ego game anymore. There's no doubt who's the #1 man on the Cavs.

 

[NeoV]

"Not enough. Shaq is too old. They're gonna lose in the 2nd round and LeBron is going to NY, count it.

Cleveland keeps surrounding lebron with so-so veterans rather than building a nucleus of young talent, terrible move. If there were at least a lot of young guns that can improve, lebron might be tempted to re-sign and see it through."

I have to disagree with this one - you are giving up Wallace and Pavlovic to get Shaq, plus a 2nd round pick - in other words, you got to keep your first round pick, and you've added Shaq - it's a no-brainer for the Cavs.

Boston's window is closed - Allen is getting old - 1 amazing playoff game this year aside - Garnett is a huge question mark coming back from a major knee injury, and for some reason they seem to be shopping Rondo.

Orlando is the team Cleveland has to beat - and having a much stronger interior presence goes a long way towards that.

I have a strong sense they aren't done dealing yet - they still need a big, athletic guard - I think they are trying to move up in the draft - at least that's what the folks around here are talking about.

A lot of people are Shaq haters, but he actually played very well last year - the Suns were smart with his minutes, he kept in shape - and I promise you he's going to be motivated for another shot at a ring.

I love the Spurs adding Jefferson - I could even see Bowen and Oberto re-signing with the Spurs after the Bucks cut him loose. I think healthy they are better than Denver, but that's no given with them.

I think if Portland can get a real point guard, they could be in the mix out West as well.

 

[chuckywang]

There's an interesting subplot in this trade, that being that Steve Kerr just flat out embarrassed himself.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: ric1287
good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense and the best player in the league)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look effortless).

Imagine how many high %/ dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

Yeah, and he's too old to play the ego game anymore. There's no doubt who's the #1 man on the Cavs.

Heh, forgot to add that was so dumbfounded by the comments

Do people not remember the Miami ring? He was not "the man" on that team, and this team has Wade in the body of Karl Malone

 

[Miramonti]

Not enough rebounding, and still have an inept coach who's only creative option in playoff crunch time is to give the ball to Lebron and then go check his email for viagra discounts.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Not enough rebounding, and still have an inept coach who's only creative option in playoff crunch time is to give the ball to Lebron and then go check his email for viagra discounts.

Yea I seriously have no idea why he won coach of the year. He did nothing great for the team.

 

[Miramonti]

However I think Shaq's intensity to give every ounce of what he has left towards getting a fifth ring before Kobe is going to be awesome if he stays healthy.

 

[amol]

So THAT'S why Stern didn't have Lakers-Cavs this year. Lakers-Cavs next year will be even MORE HYPE! Kobe-LeBron-Shaq!

PS, if the Cavs take 2010, LeBron will need Shaq to win a championship.

 

[xboxist]

Smart move by the Cavs, even if it's only a 1-year fix. They are instantly better with him in the lineup. They could have really used this trade this past year.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Amol
So THAT'S why Stern didn't have Lakers-Cavs this year. Lakers-Cavs next year will be even MORE HYPE! Kobe-LeBron-Shaq!

PS, if the Cavs take 2010, LeBron will need Shaq to win a championship.

Not even close to the same shaq. Kobe just won his first ring where he was the best player on the team.

 

[Staple68]

alert the internet

 

[Dr. Detroit]

So, will the Cavs payroll now top $100M for the '09 - '10 season?

Aside from the bottom-feeding Knicks they were the highest paid franchise in the NBA last year.

$100M Knicks
$90.1M Cavs
$86M Mavs
$81.6 Blazers
$80.3 Celtics
$78.9 Lakers
$62.9 Magic

 

[rocadelpunk]

great for the suns, terrible for the cavs. he's old and expensive.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
So, will the Cavs payroll now top $100M for the '09 - '10 season?

Aside from the bottom-feeding Knicks they were the highest paid franchise in the NBA last year.

$100M Knicks
$90.1M Cavs
$86M Mavs
$81.6 Blazers
$80.3 Celtics
$78.9 Lakers
$62.9 Magic

haha, maybe if the Suns just gave Shaq to them for nothing.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
great for the suns, terrible for the cavs. he's old and expensive.

great analysis

 

[JaYp146]

Wallace is pondering retirement and only lasted two months for the Cavs last year before injuries made him a non factor. Expiring contract.

Pavlovic is horribly inconsistent. Expiring contract.

Neither was going to get any playing time next year.

We traded them for Shaq, who will platoon with Z. Shaq is primarily an inside scorer and defender, Z is an outside scorer and shotblocker. They're both old, so limiting both their minutes will be key.

The only reason the Suns did this trade was to shed salary.

 

[ric1287]

The only problem with this trade is that it is about 4 months too late.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: ric1287
good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense and the best player in the league)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look effortless).

Imagine how many high %/ dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

Those numbers are a bit misleading.

Shaq merely dunks or give me @ the rim. Giving him a much better FG %.

Big Z is willing to move outside the paint to hit 15 to 20ft jumpers. This allows Lebron a lane to drive to the basket with no resistance since well after a while the center gotta move out a bit. Other than Ben Wallace the Cavs spread the floor on the offensive end.

Shaq has to only really contend with Amare for rebounds, the other guys only get about 5 a game, given Suns playing style doesn't amount to much. Big Z has to contend with Lebron and Sideshow Bob. Each grab about 7 rebounds a game. I'm not even counting Ben Wallace who grabs about 6 a game.

With Shaq pretty much camped on the inside it forces Lebron to shoot jump shots more. Because well Shaqs a fat guy Lebron can't run him over and shaq still draws attention. Not counting free throws, Lebron earns nearly half of his points on the inside.

Something's gotta give. Yes Lebron is jump shooting numbers have greatly improved since entering the league but suggestion the addition of shaq will somehow allow Lebron to score better is a bit (I can't think of a the word). Plus there this giant X factor.

MIKE BROWN.

 

[JaYp146]

Originally posted by: ric1287
The only problem with this trade is that it is about 4 months too late.

The only reason the Suns didn't accept a similar trade (Wallace and Szczerbiak) 4 months ago was that they wanted more talent from the Cavs, and the Cavs were content with their lineup. They were also building a team to beat the Celtics in the ECF, not the Magic. Szczerbiak had helped spread the floor against the Celtics earlier in the season.

Now that the Magic have emerged as favorites and Szczerbiak is a free agent .... yeah.

Regarding lineups, I think you'll see the Cavs going with Z on the floor slightly more often than they do Shaq. Z is a jump shooter that feeds off Lebron driving to the basket, whereas Shaq can clog the lane.

However both Lebron and Shaq are great passers and could easily work magic inside without making things TOO congested...

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: ric1287
good christ there are a lot of people who don't have a clue

Shaq '09 - .609 FG% | 8.4 TRB | 1.4 BLK | 17.8 PTS (with nobody in the same solar system as LBJ)
"Big Z" '09 .472 FG% | 7.5 TRB | 1.3 BLK | 12.9 PTS (with non-existent defense and the best player in the league)

LBJ carried that team with hot/cold outside help and NO inside game, none. Nobody on their team can guard a decent center. LBJ will be able to drive the lane even EASIER than before (and he already makes it look effortless).

Imagine how many high %/ dunks they are going to get. You're gonna help/double LBJ when he drives? Mammoth dunk from shaq. You're gonna stay home on the diesel and try to stop LBJ with one man? Hah, dunk.

Shaq is gonna bust his ass and be in shape to get one last ring. The only worry is if he goes down, but the motivation for that ring should be enough.

Those numbers are a bit misleading.

Shaq merely dunks or give me @ the rim. Giving him a much better FG %.

Big Z is willing to move outside the paint to hit 15 to 20ft jumpers. This allows Lebron a lane to drive to the basket with no resistance since well after a while the center gotta move out a bit. Other than Ben Wallace the Cavs spread the floor on the offensive end.

Shaq has to only really contend with Amare for rebounds, the other guys only get about 5 a game, given Suns playing style doesn't amount to much. Big Z has to contend with Lebron and Sideshow Bob. Each grab about 7 rebounds a game. I'm not even counting Ben Wallace who grabs about 6 a game.

With Shaq pretty much camped on the inside it forces Lebron to shoot jump shots more. Because well Shaqs a fat guy Lebron can't run him over and shaq still draws attention. Not counting free throws, Lebron earns nearly half of his points on the inside.

Something's gotta give. Yes Lebron is jump shooting numbers have greatly improved since entering the league but suggestion the addition of shaq will somehow allow Lebron to score better is a bit (I can't think of a the word). Plus there this giant X factor.

MIKE BROWN.

If you don't think Shaq is a MASSIVE upgrade over Z then you're high as hell. Who cares if Z shoots 15 footers if he can't make them and then gets dusted on the other end by any decent big man?

Its not a matter of LBJ scoring better its that he won't have to carry the entire load and can mix his game up. Not even going to mention the defensive difference.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
So, will the Cavs payroll now top $100M for the '09 - '10 season?

Aside from the bottom-feeding Knicks they were the highest paid franchise in the NBA last year.

$100M Knicks
$90.1M Cavs
$86M Mavs
$81.6 Blazers
$80.3 Celtics
$78.9 Lakers
$62.9 Magic

why would it top 100 mil? that's this years numbers. Next year Wally and Eric Snow who account for nearly 20 million are off the books. Wallace and Palvolic for Shaq is pretty much an even trade in terms of salary. Unless they plan to spend 30 million for sideshow bob some free agents.

The Lakers are the ones who could possibly look at 100 mil if they want to keep Odom and Ariza and Kobe if he opts out and wants a max deal.