Shaq a racist ?

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"It's more *acceptable* for people in general to make jokes at the expense of asians over black or mexican people."

What about Irish ?

Such as in Blazing Saddles?

"We'll give land to the ni***** and the chi***, but not the Irish!"

 

[Red Dawn]

What Shaq said about Yao Ming is mild compared to what the average Mandrin Speaking Chinese says about Blacks, Whites and Non Mandrin Speaking Chinese and Asians.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Stark
I know this is a touchy subject because there are lots of Asian members here, but I always considered asians on the same "level playing field" as whites. As a white guy, it doesn't bother me if people make fun of my race or make generalizations about me based on race (we can't dance, jump, appreciate soccer, have small peckers, our necks turn red when we're out in the sun, oppress every other culture/religion/ethnic group throughout history,... blah blah blah). I always considered my asian friends "thick skinned" like most of my white friends because we really don't have a lot to complain about today. If I crack them about their driving, the fishy smell of their food, or the accents of their parents, they crack right back on me.

Sure, it's a double standard, but big deal! Mark Madsen isn't going to whine if Shaq makes fun of his white-boy dance... and I don't think Yao cares what Shaq says. Shaq cracks on lots of people and usually looks like an ignorant, spoiled, doofus when he does.

I'm sorry, but "equality" does not mean special rights. There must be a level playing field.
It is no more appropriate for black person to make racists comments to a white person that it would be for a white person to make racists slurs to a black person. Both examples would be racism, pure and simple.
Black peoples were not the only ones who had a rough time in early America. My ancestors were Irish who were brought to America as indentured servants (read "white slaves").
That said, I feel that Shaq's comments were very inappropriate, and the media's response (or lack thereof) worse.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: notfred
So, if I were to go up to a German guy, and say "Werstershien, Glutemberg!", would I be a racist?

I won't pretend to know what that translates to... but why can't you put someone down based on something BESIDES race ? Derogatory remarks using race = racism = racist.

It doesn't translate to anything, it just sounds "Germanish", like how Shaq just made up some Chinese sounding gibberish.

Then it depends on your intentions. If I were German and you said gibberish like that on a message forum to nobody, I would care less. In a context where we're arguing, I'd be offended and think of you as racist. That's my answer to your question.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"It's more *acceptable* for people in general to make jokes at the expense of asians over black or mexican people."

What about Irish ?

Such as in Blazing Saddles?

"We'll give land to the ni***** and the chi***, but not the Irish!"

Hey, where're all the white women at?



Viper GTS

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: notfred
So, if I were to go up to a German guy, and say "Werstershien, Glutemberg!", would I be a racist?

exactly. He's not racist. He's an asshole, but not racist!

 

[SlowSS]

It is hard to say whether he is a racist or not. Mainly because it's very difficult read into his intention while he was
acting like an idiot.

At the same time, I have to say when he squinted his eyes and said ching chung, blah, blah, blah...
it appears as if he was trying to mock asian people....which could be construed as a racist behavior,
but like I said, I can't read his mind so I simply can't say whether is a racist or not.

On a side note...NAACP only care about black people so they
they should change their name to NAABP.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: SlowSS
It is hard to say whether he is a racist or not. Mainly it's very difficult read into his intention while he was
acting like an idiot.

At the same time, I have to say when he squinted his eyes and said ching chung, blah, blah, blah...
it appears as if he was trying to mock asian people....which could be construed as a racist behavior,
but like I said, I can't read his mind so I simply can't say whether is a racist or not

Good. Because he's not saying that all asians tip lousy. He's not saying that the average asian IQ is smaller than the change he got after buying a pack of gum. He's not saying that all asians are short and smell. If someone said all that, they might be considered racist. All he did was make fun of the way some guy he didn't like talks. Big deal. I do that all the time. I mean, seriously. Sup wid'dat!? It would be mo-bettah if you said that he was inconsiderate or that he ain't l337. He's nowhere near |24cI57.

yo.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: BDawg
All I know is that Shaq made all of his money in college, and not in Orlando.

Everybody knows Shaq made it big in college.

 

[crypticlogin]

How can the NBA (according to this article) let this go ?

A sport can only hope its players uphold some standard of character, but what are the options when they don't? Fines, suspension, and/or banishment. The first one would hardly hurt Shaq financially, and the second two tend to hurt fans and the sport more than guide the player. Unless he really starts spewing some serious garbage, unfortunately I don't see the NBA giving much attention.

BUT I'd bet if it was closer to (say) the 2008 Beijing Olympics and Shaq was selected to play, the NBA would take a more active role and issue some press release or what not.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

i dunno if he is a racists, but he definitely seems like an ignorant assh0le.

Another bump for the sage.

Black peoples were not the only ones who had a rough time in early America. My ancestors were Irish who were brought to America as indentured servants (read "white slaves").

I love my Irish brothers and sisters . . . particularly sisters . . . but comparing the Middle Passage and slavery to indentured servitude isn't in the same ballpark . . . "it isn't even the same game." Don't forget Native Americans . . . granted some are getting payback through the casinos.

On a side note...NAACP only care about black people so they
they should change their name to NAABP.

It depends on leadership some (like Julian Bond) have actively persued the Big Tent . . . others have been major league twits.

 

[Huz]

I'm not saying what he said is or isn't fundamentally racist - if pressed I would say that it probably is. What I don't like is the tone of the article. Sounds like Mr. Irwin Tang has a massive chip on his shoulder. Yeah, of course racicism is and probably always will be still around in some form, but drawing a parallel between Shaq's attempts at mocking the Chinese language and white players making monkey sounds to taunt black players is absolutely ridiculous.

Mr. Tang should look to Yao Ming himself on how to react to a similar situation. Yao's ambivalence to the fortune-cookie debacle subtly but so poignantly shows Americans for what we largely are: ignorant and completely unworldly self absorbed morons. Yao Ming is the man. Irwin Tang? Not so much.

Sincerely,

A white American male

 

[LH]

Shaq isnt going to play in any olympics(no 2004 let alone 2008. Personally I dont think Shaq has many years left in the NBA.

 

[pulse8]

Sounds like Mr. Irwin Tang has a massive chip on his shoulder.

Which is why I take the entire article with a grain of salt.

 

[drewshin]

to me, being a racist consists of actions where you intentionally treat people differently based solely on their race.

i think shaq's remarks are ignorant and condemnable, but not racist, he didn't say anything like yao shouldn't be in the league because he is chinese.

however i do agree that people are a lot more sympathetic to black people, than asians when it comes to stuff like hate crimes, etc. mainly i think because people either dont know a lot of asian people personally, or only base their impressions of asians off of the "fresh off the boat" people who are almost completely different than asians that have been born here.

 

[gtsukada]

Shaqs no racist, anybody remember this? Shaq Fu

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: Huz
I'm not saying what he said is or isn't fundamentally racist - if pressed I would say that it probably is. What I don't like is the tone of the article. Sounds like Mr. Irwin Tang has a massive chip on his shoulder. Yeah, of course racicism is and probably always will be still around in some form, but drawing a parallel between Shaq's attempts at mocking the Chinese language and white players making monkey sounds to taunt black players is absolutely ridiculous.

Mr. Tang should look to Yao Ming himself on how to react to a similar situation. Yao's ambivalence to the fortune-cookie debacle subtly but so poignantly shows Americans for what we largely are: ignorant and completely unworldly self absorbed morons. Yao Ming is the man. Irwin Tang? Not so much.

Sincerely,

A white American male

Well put

Just a couple other quotes from Shaq regarding Ming which the author forgot to include:


" Congratulations to Mr. Ming, first of all. He's done a lot for his country. Whenever you

have a guy that's comes in like that, you must take it to him before he takes it to you.

He has all the tools. He can shoot. He can dribble. He's no slouch."


"He (Yao) is making history for his people. His people are proud of him. They should be. One billion people --

that's tough to beat."

 

[Kevin]

I think people read too deep into situations and comments. If you walk on the opposite side of the street as someone not of your race, you are immediately labeled a racist. People now are so quick to label everyone else that they just throw around racism.

Ask someone 50 years or older, and they'll tell you how much things have changed...

 

[jjones]

Ha ha, this makes me laugh. Shaq is putting a little color and rivalry into an otherwise dull sport. There hasn't been any serious trash talking since Charles and no real entertainment value since Showtime.

 

[calbear2000]

Eh never mind... I don't think my point would be made clear amongst the flames by the link I posted.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: calbear2000
Eh never mind... I don't think my point would be made clear amongst the flames by the link I posted.

booo!

That link was hilarious!

 

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: jjones
Ha ha, this makes me laugh. Shaq is putting a little color and rivalry into an otherwise dull sport. There hasn't been any serious trash talking since Charles and no real entertainment value since Showtime.

Haha...I loved Charles, I just found a video of Charles and Shaq getting into a fight.
I miss him now that I saw what he brought to the NBA!

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: roncarter
. Now if there was a show that was called White Entertainment, would there be problems and issues? You bet there would be.

There is. It's called NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, UPN, TBS, USA, TNT, TNN, etc etc etc

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What Shaq said about Yao Ming is mild compared to what the average Mandrin Speaking Chinese says about Blacks, Whites and Non Mandrin Speaking Chinese and Asians.

hahaha I agree with you.
The thing is that Shaq is a public figure and he said this publicly.

 

[Dufman]

Originally posted by: BDawg
All I know is that Shaq made all of his money in college, and not in Orlando.

amen to basketball