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SF becomes first US city to top $10 minimum wage

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marincounty said:
I'm willing to bet that those states have a lower average wage than California does also.
Aren't statistics fun? California also has a higher percentage of college graduates than those other states (I'm guessing).
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They do have a lower average wage. Texans don't get paid as well as Californians, but their cost of living is significantly cheaper than ours as well. When I used to work with some Millwrights out of Texas they told me Journeyman wage was like 22 an hour there, here it was like 32-35(I don't remember). None of them had debt.
 
marincounty said:
I'm willing to bet that those states have a lower average wage than California does also.
Aren't statistics fun? California also has a higher percentage of college graduates than those other states (I'm guessing).
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I'm willing to bet those states have a much lower cost of living than California does.
Yes statistics are fun. Care to join the game?

You go live in San Francisco, CA for $10/hr, I go live in Sugar Land, TX on $7.50/hr
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dmcowen674 said:
At $10hr he is doing $6hr better than someone working for Federal $7 min wage.



How's that?

Two jobs at $7hr he is making $14hr.

Two jobs at $10hr he is making $20 for a net difference of $6hr

No wonder you Republicans are so screwed up, you all fail basic math.
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If the minimum wage was $2/h poor people would just start eating the more useless members of society. That way they could save up to buy the new iPhone.
 
slayernine said:
If the minimum wage was $2/h poor people would just start eating the more useless members of society. That way they could save up to buy the new iPhone.
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I would eat the people who already had a whatever the newest nexus is at the time. That's how you get ahead in this world.
 
and of course waiters are just making minimum wage. restaurants here in sf are expensive and im sure most waiters are getting pretty hefty tips
 
Actually for a waiter at $10 an hour he is doing $7.87 then workers in most other states, since the tip minimum wage is 2.13 in most places.
 
Agent11 said:
Ever tried to live in San Francisco? The cost of living there is pretty expensive.
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There is a reason why its expensive and it has very little to do with SF being 49 square miles.

Hint: Look at SF's fucked up local government.

Example: SF BoStupidvisors just reinstated a wife beater as Sheriff purely out of protecting their own political hides and political ideology. Politics in SF is pretty disgusting and corrupt to the bone.

Example 2: SF pays 4 times as much per mile to maintain roads than cities like Chicago for no other reason than pure waste, fraud and inefficiencies at the SFDW. Which is why the city has to approach taxpayers to raise additional tax bonds to fix our roads every few years despite the fact that the money should in theory come be coming from the city's general fund.
 
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3chordcharlie said:
LOL.

Thanks for the laugh.
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No employer is going to hire someone whose production value at the job site is worth less than the ten dollars an hour they have to pay in SF. Employers always seek to maximize the utility of the money they have to spend to keep a business running and generating profit. Which includes the process of selecting prospective employees.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
No employer is going to hire someone whose production value at the job site is worth less than the ten dollars an hour they have to pay in SF. Employers always seek to maximize the utility of the money they have to spend to keep a business running and generating profit. Which includes the process of selecting prospective employees.
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I'm searching for 'the point'.
 
Raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour and lets see how much more employment this generates.

3chordcharlie said:
I'm searching for 'the point'.
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The point is that employers will weed out those who do not bring what they feel is the minimum wage (ten dollars an hour in this case) worth of skills/value to a job site. This is especially true for smaller businesses who often must compete against larger businesses who operate based on volume and razor thin profit margins.

Edit: This isn't even addressing the cost of living increase that will occur and thus force political voices to demand a higher wage regardless of the economic state of the local economy and businesses who must find a way to thrive and compete.

Edit 2: At 10 dollars an hour, why would an employer higher local teenagers (especially minority teenagers) when they can get someone with prior work experience and a established work ethic? Such as an unemployed college grad, a senior citizen whose retirement can't keep up with inflation and the cost of living, and as shortylickens stated an illegal alien (Yay for SF being a "Sanctuary City"!) who also will more then likely have past work experience and an established work ethic.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour and lets see how much more employment this generates.



The point is that employers will weed out those who do not bring what they feel is the minimum wage (ten dollars an hour in this case) worth of skills/value to a job site. This is especially true for smaller businesses who often must compete against larger businesses who operate based on volume and razor thin profit margins.

Edit: This isn't even addressing the cost of living increase that will occur and thus force political voices to demand a higher wage regardless of the economic state of the local economy and businesses who must find a way to thrive and compete.

Edit 2: At 10 dollars an hour, why would an employer higher local teenagers (especially minority teenagers) when they can get someone with prior work experience and a established work ethic? Such as an unemployed college grad, a senior citizen whose retirement can't keep up with inflation and the cost of living, and as shortylickens stated an illegal alien (Yay for SF being a "Sanctuary City"!) who also will more then likely have past work experience and an established work ethic.
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All of this has some truth to it.

It also has nothing to do with the original comment.
 
3chordcharlie said:
All of this has some truth to it.

It also has nothing to do with the original comment.
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Then you're being purposely obtuse in ignoring the valid points I am presenting.

Those who must ensure their money is well spent (the average business person) will always seek the very best bang for their buck in the labor market. Thus they will exclude those who are not worth a minimum wage rate.

Hence minimum wage is a price floor for wages, price floors are known to create surpluses but in the case of minimum wage the surplus is in the actual number of people who will end up in the labor pool as a result of being priced out of the labor market.

Again why not increase the minimum wage rate to 15 dollars or higher? Oh that's right the economic reality of the effects caused by a minimum wage will be made boldly and abundantly clear when the effects are magnified to a greater scale that not even the most obtuse forum goer can ignore.
 
Dude, I appreciate your passion for minimum wage...

But the easy answer is probably the right answer, and that is that wages are paid for actions performed.

Gobernment can pay $20/hour, for cleaning up hose shit... but thsere are a lot of people that will clean up horse shit.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
Dude, I appreciate your passion for minimum wage...

But the easy answer is probably the right answer, and that is that wages are paid for actions performed.

Gobernment can pay $20/hour, for cleaning up hose shit... but thsere are a lot of people that will clean up horse shit.

-John
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A lot of people desiring to clean up horse shit at 10, 20 or 100 dollars an hour does not translate into all of them being hired to actually get this now coveted spot at that hefty hourly rate.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Then you're being purposely obtuse in ignoring the valid points I am presenting.



Those who must ensure their money is well spent (the average business person) will always seek the very best bang for their buck in the labor market. Thus they will exclude those who are not worth a minimum wage rate.



Hence minimum wage is a price floor for wages, price floors are known to create surpluses but in the case of minimum wage the surplus is in the actual number of people who will end up in the labor pool as a result of being priced out of the labor market.



Again why not increase the minimum wage rate to 15 dollars or higher? Oh that's right the economic reality of the effects caused by a minimum wage will be made boldly and abundantly clear when the effects are magnified to a greater scale that not even the most obtuse forum goer can ignore.
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You are making a number of assumptions here.

Mainly though, you are introducing the usual minimum wage strawmen so you can beat on those.

I have no interest in promoting a system that discourages businesses. I also have not suggested that current minimum wages are too high or too low. All I did was poke fun at a silly comment.

Try thinking about wages with a little complexity instead of in such black and white terms.

In fact, try thinking of the best minimum wage strategy you can, and then explain the problems with that solution, and why they are insurmountable.
Then you will be bringing something to the table. Currently you're using talking-point arguments equivalent to "if we allow interracial marriage, then next people will be marrying animals". I'm not clear if you think most of us who are not pure free-market types are ignorant of basic economic theory. I can tell you that I am not; I am well aware of what econ101 has to say about minimum wage.
 
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