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HamburgerBoy said:
I think it's probably a matter of culture/governing style as much as anything; Americans are more paranoid about gun laws, and the laws that are enforced are usually done so strictly.
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MomentsofSanity said:
Man apparently the shooter showed up at the FBI in anchorage a couple months ago and they had him committed. Still able to travel with a checked loaded firearm that he just pulled out of his bag at baggage claim.
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I thought that it was illegal in America to own a gun if you have mental health issues?
First quote doesn't work if the second is true in that case.
 
WelshBloke said:
I thought that it was illegal in America to own a gun if you have mental health issues?
First quote doesn't work if the second is true in that case.
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A lot more complicated that that. He'd need to be convicted of something or have a court deem him a danger to himself or others.

I'm not one to wade into the whole gun control debate but this incident is a good example why something needs to change.
 
momeNt said:
The voice in his head wanted to do it for ISIS. So propaganda infiltrated his subconscious and actually caused acts of violence.

So this is how terrorism recruiting works. Just find the mentally deficient and exploit.
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Not really. It looks like ISIS is the bogy man to him. Like people say "Satan made me do it."
 
Just heard on the news. The shooter told his Doctor?(I may be wrong on Dr quote is exact from broadcast news) "the government is controlling my mind and forcing me to watch ISIS videos"

Can we finally talk about mental health and background checks.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Just heard on the news. The shooter told his Doctor?(I may be wrong on Dr quote is exact from broadcast news) "the government is controlling my mind and forcing me to watch ISIS videos"

Can we finally talk about mental health and background checks.
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The doctors need a means to report the person is being treated for mental health issues as the law already prohibits the sale of firearms or ammunition to some with mental health issues.
 
realibrad said:
Its sad that your mind is so warped that you cannot see anything wrong with what you are doing.
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Meh, some people are born to troll and you really can't know why. Could be just mental issues, could be "I shall educate people by attacking irrelevancies", whatever. If you are in the mood they are entertaining to play with, but I wouldn't worry about it. He's part of the established forum culture here. Even the best hotels have pest problems.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
I'll accept that perhaps the Czech Republic is less lax on paper, but in practice they're at least close. I didn't know about laws related to alcoholism (a quick search tells me they exist but not finding immediate details), but I do know there was at least one story where a bar argument went outside, one guy pulled a knife, the other then pulled a gun and shot him dead, and it was considered valid self-defense (even in Texas concealed carry is illegal within a bar). I think it's probably a matter of culture/governing style as much as anything; Americans are more paranoid about gun laws, and the laws that are enforced are usually done so strictly. Perhaps in the Czech Republic, owing also to their population, they take a more local style of governing where people trust that hardcore alcoholics and crazies will be taken care of on a case-by-case basis, and others will be given more leeway. I will admit that gun ownership is certainly lower there as well, which could be an indication of more strict laws, but most of what I've seen implies it's a matter of people not caring rather than people not being able to carry.

Aside from France, Germany, the UK, and Sweden, most of Europe is still like 95% European or more. They also lack the problem of ghettos; iirc, in Germany the city with the highest homicide rate is either Berlin or another East German one, and it's only a couple times higher than the national average. That's in contrast with America where we have massive cities like San Diego with European levels of homicide, as well as cities like St. Louis with Central American levels of violence. There aren't really any comparable demographics in Europe. I can definitely accept that terrible public schools, the war on drugs, and other factors are the biggest drivers of crime in America though, things that don't affect Europe.
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I learned an interesting thing recently. The US considers a violent crime based on the act. The UKs stats are based on convictions. If the means or methods differ statistics aren't comperable. What I'd like to know is the breakdown of violent crimes by any means which have been collected in a uniform standard.
 
Jaskalas said:
Of course Drudge is already calling out "Jihad". !@#$ people who want to label it that.
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Let's be reasonable here. Is there more in it for the right wing media to exploit this opportunity (or any other) to max or not? After all, we can't fault them for acting in self interest.
 
WelshBloke said:
I thought that it was illegal in America to own a gun if you have mental health issues?
First quote doesn't work if the second is true in that case.
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To be honest there are a lot of people in the US that have inherited guns over time that have mental issues.

I'm not even busting on anyone, it is just a fact.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Just heard on the news. The shooter told his Doctor?(I may be wrong on Dr quote is exact from broadcast news) "the government is controlling my mind and forcing me to watch ISIS videos"

Can we finally talk about mental health and background checks.
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That would impede weapon sales of course.
 
Why is it that near everytime someone shoots the shit out of someone or something no one fires back? With all the guns circulating around the US, all those recent shootouts, not a single person returns fire? I have always found that hilariously ironic. If I was to move to the US the first thing I'd buy would be a pistol followed by 2 vests, one with ceramic plates and one without . . .
 
PixelSquish said:
It's telling the single biggest priority for the Republicans is defunding Womens' healthcare vs anything like this
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Do you understand what he said? Do you realize federal gun laws prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition to anyone known to have mental issue?
 
escrow4 said:
Why is it that near everytime someone shoots the shit out of someone or something no one fires back? With all the guns circulating around the US, all those recent shootouts, not a single person returns fire? I have always found that hilariously ironic. If I was to move to the US the first thing I'd buy would be a pistol followed by 2 vests, one with ceramic plates and one without . . .
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The airport is a gun free zone so no one should have a gun on their person.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
The airport is a gun free zone so no one should have a gun on their person.
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Don't those TSA agents have M4s stashed close by somewhere? No one thought something like this might happen and set up an armory? And ain't there undercovers on flights that are armed?
 
escrow4 said:
Don't those TSA agents have M4s stashed close by somewhere? No one thought something like this might happen and set up an armory? And ain't there undercovers on flights that are armed?
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The police and possibly some of the TSA personnel are allowed to carry weapons. The police arrived as the shooter was reloading and took him to custody immediately.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
The airport is a gun free zone so no one should have a gun on their person.
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Baggage claim and pickup had never been screened, but of course a maniac with a gun can show up anywhere.

It's not like ever yogurt shop etc in a developed country is going to be screening for weapons, I suppose.

You could make open carry legal everywhere, I suspect that would just accelerate bad decisions even more though.
 
PixelSquish said:
There aren't universal background checks.
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There are background checks for anyone purchasing firearm from a licenced dealer. Even then unless a doctor treating someone with mental issues reports it, there will be nothing to prevent the person from passing a federal background check.
 
MongGrel said:
Baggage claim and pickup had never been screened, but of course a maniac with a gun can show up anywhere.

It's not like ever yogurt shop etc in a developed country is going to be screening for weapons, I suppose.

You could make open carry legal everywhere, I suspect that would just accelerate bad decisions even more though.
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Agree, gun free zones are on the honor system. I would not feel comfortable with open carry unless it's regulated like it is in Texas.
 
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