Settle a discussion. Xbox 360 graphics vs High End PC

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
And that was made by Ubisoft. It was a separate game. Separate engine, separate sounds, separate story. An overall worse game.

Crysis, in its pure form on PC, won't ever see the light of day on any console. You can quote me on that.

i can quote you ... sure ...

... but do i believe you?

not where a *buck* is involved

i guess Ubisoft can do it ... again



. . . and i can't imagine the FC *Story* was "worse" on the console
:Q

Well the story *evolved* from the first game... though you could turn into one of those trigens... so, since everyone HATED the trigens part, why make you one of them???

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
And that was made by Ubisoft. It was a separate game. Separate engine, separate sounds, separate story. An overall worse game.

Crysis, in its pure form on PC, won't ever see the light of day on any console. You can quote me on that.

i can quote you ... sure ...

... but do i believe you?

not where a *buck* is involved

i guess Ubisoft can do it ... again



. . . and i can't imagine the FC *Story* was "worse" on the console
:Q

Well the story *evolved* from the first game... though you could turn into one of those trigens... so, since everyone HATED the trigens part, why make you one of them???

i dunno ... i thought the *story* was not FC's strong point ...
[and in Q4, you became a hated Strogg ... these games copy each other's *plots*]


otoh, i am just about to Play Matto4 mod for FC ... i hope the *gameplay* is still good ... try playing a user mod on your xbox

 

[BFG10K]

not where a *buck* is involved

By that reasoning we should expect Crysis to run on integrated video too.

 

[apoppin]

if you turn the setting down *Far* enough

 

[miniMUNCH]

Xbox 360 image quality can't compare to a high end rig nowadays...but it doesn't have to.

Xbox 360 games just have to look good on HD TV's viewed from 8+ feet away...and they do.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Xbox 360 image quality can't compare to a high end rig nowadays...but it doesn't have to.

Xbox 360 games just have to look good on HD TV's viewed from 8+ feet away...and they do.

Ding Ding Ding!!! winner!

On a PC, you're right up on the screen and if you're a PC gaming enthusiast you know plenty about AA, AF etc... Hell you're standing around the same place in Oblivion over and over, comparing IQ and FPS with your nose grazing the monitor.

The 360 user does not care such fine levels of detail. They want the game to look "HD" on their HDTV from their normal viewing distances and 360 games do just that. You always cater to your audience.

 

[Zenoth]

Oblivion with Qarl's Textures Pack 3 > Anything current generation Consoles will ever be able to offer

Yes, perhaps exaggerated statement in the long term, but it sure as hell is the case at the moment.

PC gaming's true strength lies in what the communities can create around a good "modable" game. It has been said countless of times. With Consoles you get game and you're stuck with its vanilla status for eternity, and the proof that adding content had to happen to consoles one day or another and simulate being PC's labeled as Consoles is the downloadble contents via internet connections. Consoles aren't what they've been in the past anyway. I had so much more fun with my PS, my N64 and my Dreamcast than with anything else since the PS2 and XBOX arrived. I know all of it is subjective, but that's my two cents.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Oblivion with Qarl's Textures Pack 3 > Anything current generation Consoles will ever be able to offer

Yes, perhaps exaggerated statement in the long term, but it sure as hell is the case at the moment.

PC gaming's true strength lies in what the communities can create around a good "modable" game. It has been said countless of times. With Consoles you get game and you're stuck with its vanilla status for eternity, and the proof that adding content had to happen to consoles one day or another and simulate being PC's labeled as Consoles is the downloadble contents via internet connections. Consoles aren't what they've been in the past anyway. I had so much more fun with my PS, my N64 and my Dreamcast than with anything else since the PS2 and XBOX arrived. I know all of it is subjective, but that's my two cents.

If anything, I think Qar'ls textures prove that even the X1900 a year ago wasn't being tapped for its full potential. And the XBox was even somewhat to blame, seeing as the PC version is basically an XBox port. Running Qarl's has its issues, mostly in the form of thrash when you fast travel to a new cell or run too quickly into a new one (I guess you can call that "fast travel" too), but there again. You're probably running the 360's precache code, which is designed around loading the 360's craptastic quality textures.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Pugnate
I am having a chat with a couple of blokes who insist that the Xbox 360 can match a high end PC's graphics for years to come. Even though I've shown links of the developers of Crysis saying the 360 can't do a DX 10 level of Crysis, they keep insisting it is possible, and they feel that a 360 will basically match a high end PC for years to come.

Their argument is that Oblivion didn't look as good on the 360 as Gears of War. Well that's obviously because one is an open structured RPG and the other is just a FPS.

Anyway your thoughts?

400$ vs 1500$ emmmm I pick the 400$ one

Yeah that might be some people's take on it, but this is my take on it. I needed a PC desperately for all sorts of practical tasks, so I bought a nice one that would last for a while. Then instead of buying a PS3 I bought an 8800GTS and soon to be Vista. Granted the PS3 is more expensive than the X360, but do you get my point? I like to compare video cards to game consoles, not entire PCs to game consoles because that's not a fair comparison imo. BTW, after playing some games with my 8800GTS, I know that this card is going to be a monster with the upcoming games.

edit: Not only does Oblivion looks superior on the PC, but Need for Speed Most Wanted looks absolutely amazing on PC. Call of Duty 2 also looks great on PC, granted you need a great PC to run it maxed out. Battlefield 2 may not look good on PC, but it is certainly the best online fps I've ever played and it might be worth getting a mid range PC for that game and HL2.
And somebody mentioned something about devolopers stopping aa in pc games, what is up with that, seriously? I couldn't stand GRAW for that reason, I'm running at least 8xaa in everything for now and I can't go back to no aa at all.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: hans030390
The consoles missed DX10. I could see a true high end PC easily having better visuals than a 360.

Then again, if the console is used properly, it's amazing what you can push out of it sometimes.

It all depends on how the hardware is used.

the PCs don't have DX10 GAMES ... for a couple of years ... so that is an *impossible* comparison

all you will get ... maybe ... beginning with CoH in late-March ... is *DX10 features* on a basically DX9 game.

in a couple of years, we will see the PC pull ahead ... when *FULL DX10 games* are finally released

until then, the consoles have the *edge* gfx-wise

Agreed. I didn't mean to sound like we'd get "true" DX10 right away. It'll be a couple years until the PC has the "edge."

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: videopho
True but what makes you to think that console developers are going to sit back and let the next PC gen blowing by it?
I do own both platforms and I've seen less and less real PC games that are actually developed for it. In fact it is another way around where PC games are the afterthought from game developers to squeeze out every penny from us. eg. GRAW.

*chough*
PC Games list for 2007

 

[Acanthus]

Common sense tells you that from a development and complexity standpoint, the 360 doesnt have enough memory to push some PC games at all.

*COUGH* *battlefield 2 64 players*

The 360 is a good console, but it isnt some immortal-jesus-of-technology-marvel.

With the limited amount of memory on the console, clip planes are going to be short, if they arent short, geometry complexity and texture resolution suffer.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Common sense tells you that from a development and complexity standpoint, the 360 doesnt have enough memory to push some PC games at all.

*COUGH* *battlefield 2 64 players*

The 360 is a good console, but it isnt some immortal-jesus-of-technology-marvel.

QFT.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: videopho
True but what makes you to think that console developers are going to sit back and let the next PC gen blowing by it?
I do own both platforms and I've seen less and less real PC games that are actually developed for it. In fact it is another way around where PC games are the afterthought from game developers to squeeze out every penny from us. eg. GRAW.

*chough*
PC Games list for 2007

ah the List of *Hopefuls*

like looking at the audition list for Americal Idol
:Q

--how many of these will *make it*?

--how many of *Last Year's List* were released in '06 and turned out to be *good games*?

--how many of last years list are still on this years and will be on next years also?


my guess is that this list was just as long and as 'hopeful' as last year's '06 list


ANYWAY, *my money* is on PC Gaming -- at least for another year
:thumbsup:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin
ANYWAY, *my money* is on PC Gaming -- at least for another year
:thumbsup:

I agree. The games coming out this year for the PC look fantastic...far better than the games coming out for any of the consoles.

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: videopho
True but what makes you to think that console developers are going to sit back and let the next PC gen blowing by it?
I do own both platforms and I've seen less and less real PC games that are actually developed for it. In fact it is another way around where PC games are the afterthought from game developers to squeeze out every penny from us. eg. GRAW.

*chough*
PC Games list for 2007

ah the List of *Hopefuls*

like looking at the audition list for Americal Idol
:Q

--how many of these will *make it*?

--how many of *Last Year's List* were released in '06 and turned out to be *good games*?

--how many of last years list are still on this years and will be on next years also?


my guess is that this list was just as long and as 'hopeful' as last year's '06 list


ANYWAY, *my money* is on PC Gaming -- at least for another year
:thumbsup:

I stated nothing about the quality, simply the numbers, and thus making the claim about very few games being developed for the PC null and void.
So my argument stands, despite your "ginoratio elenchi" (irrelevant conclusion fallacy)

 

[Cookie Monster]

Personally im anitcipating ID's new game and its game engine.

I wonder what john carmack has up its sleeve with his brand new engine. (after the loads of criticism he got for the doom3 engine compared to others around like the source engine, crysis and all)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: videopho
True but what makes you to think that console developers are going to sit back and let the next PC gen blowing by it?
I do own both platforms and I've seen less and less real PC games that are actually developed for it. In fact it is another way around where PC games are the afterthought from game developers to squeeze out every penny from us. eg. GRAW.

*chough*
PC Games list for 2007

ah the List of *Hopefuls*

like looking at the audition list for Americal Idol
:Q

--how many of these will *make it*?

--how many of *Last Year's List* were released in '06 and turned out to be *good games*?

--how many of last years list are still on this years and will be on next years also?


my guess is that this list was just as long and as 'hopeful' as last year's '06 list


ANYWAY, *my money* is on PC Gaming -- at least for another year
:thumbsup:

I stated nothing about the quality, simply the numbers, and thus making the claim about very few games being developed for the PC null and void.
So my argument stands, despite your "ginoratio elenchi" (irrelevant conclusion fallacy)

in your mind only

--by quoting raw *statistics* you proved nothing

--and you fail to continue your 'argument' by adding nothing further but an attack on my *only opinion* in my post
--that "my money" IS on PC gaming ...

that is the *only conclusion* i offered

i DID - however - *question* your *statistics* ... and their relevance to this discussion
and i still do
:frown:

i still also find it really hard to believe that an strongly opinionated and argumentative persona as yourself could have just *lurked* for a couple of years in Video and remained totally silent -- until just recently.
:Q

 

[JRW]

Any games ive directly compared between my 360 & PC always end up winning on PC and my PC hardware is over a year old (7800gtx 512mb version with 550 / 1700 stock clocks) I used the highest quality settings with 4x antistropic filtering (I havent come across any 360 games that have anistropic filtering enabled) and no or low Antialising settings (to match 360), 1280x720 res to match my 360's 720P setting and Vsync is disabled (I always run without Vsync , CRT & 100hz refresh ftw):

Condemned: Locked at 30fps on 360 , Runs 50-120fps on my PC,average around 60fps, graphically they looked the same except PCs gets the edge with Anistropic filtering enabled.

Oblivion: Locked 30fps on 360, runs 50-120fps on my PC,average 50fps outdoors , 100fps indoors, PCs also has the edge graphically.

Quake 4 Locked 30fps on 360 with frequent drops below that (but we all know it was a crappy port) .. runs much better on my PC and I compared before I applied the pc dual core performance patch.

Call of Duty 2: locked 60fps on 360 with frequent drops below that ,the only way to keep it at a solid 60 (most the time) is to drop it to 480P mode, Runs 50-120fps on my PC, average 60fps, graphics are very close except PC's gets the edge due to added detail in the distance with Anistropic filtering.

That being said ..who knows maybe these were just ports that didnt get fully optimized on 360, Gears of War is certainly impressive especially considering it rarely slows down throughout the entire game (although its locked 30fps).

"Xbox 360 graphics vs. High End PC" = PC wins .. No big deal really.

I still game more on my 360 recently plus XBL Arcade is a bonus.

 

[Acanthus]

Im just hoping for Battlefield 3, with Unreal Engine 3.

EA has licensed UE3 for "multiple unannounced titles".

Heres hoping they use UE3 so the hitboxes dont go apeshit crazy whenever someone jumps/kneels/lays down, PhysX support, destructible environments, much better graphics.

 

[derail]

I Gave My pc and a digital camera to my Daugter recently so so that she would have a way to take and store pictures of my new Grandson.

I then bought a Imac thinking I was done with online gaming IE WOW and EQ.

I then bought a Xbox 360 after tring to play WOW on the Imac and finging that I didnt enjoy it at all do to the much lower quality of Graphic's and control I had using the Mac.

I must say I do like some of the games that I played on the 360 but I tried 3 so far and the graphics are good and some ways better that my old PC I had, it had a 6800gt a dual core xp 90 CPU in it. I am sure the newer GPUs and CPUs Make a huge diffrence though.

But I find my self wanting to play the games like EQ and WOW again. I did read that Vanguard and Conan will be made for the PC and 360, Conan will suport the PS 3 also. Though I dont see how this will work good on the 360 I need to have precise control when i played a enchanter on Eq to sort threw the Mobs not sure they will be abel to do that on a 360. PS3 supports Mouse and keybords so that wont be a problem if you have a PS3.
Bottom Line I miss My PC, I like my Mac and 360 , But I could just seem to do so much more with the PC. Will always keep the Mac for Pictures and video ediitng though.

You can get a 360 controler to work on a PC If you prefer that type of controler and hook the PC up to you High deff TV with media Center. Hook the 360 up threw the tv and the HD-DVD player add on for the 360 up to the PC or the 360 and you have one heck of a entertainment center.

If yo dont like use ing a big screen they are coming out with a Device that will strem your content to your TV form you PC threw the electrical wires in your home and provide a network conecion at the same time

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Im just hoping for Battlefield 3, with Unreal Engine 3.

EA has licensed UE3 for "multiple unannounced titles".

Heres hoping they use UE3 so the hitboxes dont go apeshit crazy whenever someone jumps/kneels/lays down, PhysX support, destructible environments, much better graphics.

There is a new Battlefield game coming out, but i think its a mainly single player game with multi added on unlike the ones we have now.

Though rumours are abound that DICE might be going back to earlier times for their next move on the online FPS area.

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

in your mind only

--by quoting raw *statistics* you proved nothing.

--and you fail to continue your 'argument' by adding nothing further but an attack on my *only opinion* in my post
--that "my money" IS on PC gaming ...

that is the *only conclusion* i offered

i DID - however - *question* your *statistics* ... and their relevance to this discussion
and i still do
:frown:

i still also find it really hard to believe that an strongly opinionated and argumentative persona as yourself could have just *lurked* for a couple of years in Video and remained totally silent -- until just recently.
:Q[/quote]

The original claim was that very few games was developed or the PC (nativly)
The list proves other wise
(And it does have a section dedicated to console ports and multiplatform titles too, making it even better as a source.)
So as a counter argument to the original claim that list is valid.

And trust, me I am active at other boards, most times as a lurker, but I do speak out when I disagree, but then again there are a myriad of hardware sites and one can't be active at all of them, and still have the time to make posts with any substance

And I have a blog, that takes the most of my time online, so I rarely have the time between blogging, gaming, messing with hardware/software, the job, my life ect. to post at hardware forums.

and I might loose the lust to post here quite fast, have already been subjected to in person(not directed at you in any way) how trolls attack my person, when faced with a argument that they either can wrap their haed aroundor simply have no rebuttal too.

I have even been asked in PM to participate in certain threads, and said no and told the person that better moderation was the way to go.
(feel free to come out if you like and comment if you like to clarify more on that topic, you know who you are )

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Im just hoping for Battlefield 3, with Unreal Engine 3.

EA has licensed UE3 for "multiple unannounced titles".

Heres hoping they use UE3 so the hitboxes dont go apeshit crazy whenever someone jumps/kneels/lays down, PhysX support, destructible environments, much better graphics.

There is a new Battlefield game coming out, but i think its a mainly single player game with multi added on unlike the ones we have now.

Though rumours are abound that DICE might be going back to earlier times for their next move on the online FPS area.

Yeah thats another console targeted POS

I was talking about the next major launch with an engine change.

I dont consider 2142 to be a new game, more like an expansion.

 

[jammur21]

Performance/Power/Resolution - PC
Price/Value/Fun - Xbox 360

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