Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Nothing to see here...they were just discussing their grand kids.
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Yeah that was tough when Lynch met with Bill Clinton and then lied under oath to Congress about it.

I am not surprised at all that you're desperately trying to divert though.
 
JSt0rm

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Maybe we should of put all the conservatives in FEMA death camps. Didn't know they were all commie pinko bastards.
 
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Remember Session's main job, dismantle voting rights and suppress any resistance to the destruction of America's democracy. If he is seen as a traitor and a tool of Russia, that takes away any legitimacy from his actions, which is a good thing, IMO.
 
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Hayabusa Rider said:
I understand you love the law in defense of your own and take a great bloody piss on it otherwise, but here is how a non-fascist government you seem to find oh so very attractive works.

Someone is said to have done an illegal act. If warranted there is an investigation. In this case I agree we are at that point. Then after the FACTS of the matter are revealed by proper means and with due diligence then a legal process of removal begins.

In the mean time people are free to call for resignation, you, me or the Senate but that forces nothing. Oh, remember Bill Clinton lied. BUT BUT BUT! Can't wait for the explosion on that one. Should have been removed. Can't have lying! I await your entertaining reply.
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Hahaa, well put. The worst thing about politics is not when humans make mistakes and screw up royally. To err is human and while it's unpleasant at best, and an absolute disaster at worst, it's to be expected from time to time and we have to deal with it.

The worst thing about politics is when ordinary people tolerate or deny mistakes occurred because it's "their team".
 
Hayabusa Rider

Hayabusa Rider

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Paratus said:
Some thoughts on lying to congress by Jeff Sessions:

"When President Nixon resigned in the face of impeachment in 1974, he said, the message was clear that officials “couldn't play games with the law and the truth.

I hope we aren't sending a message that’s not as clear. That clever people can sometimes get ahead by spinning and not telling the truth. That worries me.

I have no doubt that perjury qualifies under the Constitution as a high crime. It goes to the heart of the judicial system.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._called_for_sessions_resignation_recusal.html
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I agree and that is why I want an independent investigation.
 
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Hayabusa Rider said:
I understand you love the law in defense of your own and take a great bloody piss on it otherwise, but here is how a non-fascist government you seem to find oh so very attractive works.

Someone is said to have done an illegal act. If warranted there is an investigation. In this case I agree we are at that point. Then after the FACTS of the matter are revealed by proper means and with due diligence then a legal process of removal begins.

In the mean time people are free to call for resignation, you, me or the Senate but that forces nothing. Oh, remember Bill Clinton lied. BUT BUT BUT! Can't wait for the explosion on that one. Should have been removed. Can't have lying! I await your entertaining reply.
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On the wider issue of whether Session's communications with the ambassador were illegal and/or inappropriate, I agree. We won't know until we've conducted a full independent investigation. But these calls for resignation are over his lying to Congress, a fact which seems pretty clear right now. I'm not going to opine whether he should resign or not. I'm just clarifying that this is why some people are calling for it, not because of things we do not yet know because we haven't had a full investigation yet. As for Bill Clinton, LOL. If some dems are hypocrites, then so be it. It doesn't matter as pertaining to the question of whether Sessions should step down over the lie. Previous sins of another another elected official have no bearing on one's current sins.
 
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This is how the meeting with the Russian ambassador at the RNC is being characterized

July 18. On the first day of the Republican National Convention, the Heritage Foundation hosted a panel conversation addressing European relations that was attended by a number of ambassadors. “Much of the discussion focused on Russia’s incursions into Ukraine and Georgia,” moderator Victor Ashe later wrote, adding that “Several ambassadors asked for names of people who might impact foreign policy under Trump.”

This appears to be the event after which Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak approached Sessions as part of a small group of foreign dignitaries. Sessions, The Post reports, “then spoke individually to some of the ambassadors, including Kislyak.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sia-and-when/?utm_term=.6e5390febcaa#comments

Sure seems like that is a more in depth meeting about Trump's campaign than he's trying to say it was.
 
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JSt0rm said:
Maybe we should of put all the conservatives in FEMA death camps. Didn't know they were all commie pinko bastards.
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Remember, we create what we fear by becoming it. The conservative brain defect is the result of emotional repression based on the fear of punishment that aims for an authoritarian conformity in children resulting in things like family values, group think, and the fawning over a strong-man, paternal authority. The willingness to obey and believe is the outer face of the inner fear of physical and psychological torture. The greater the obedience the greater the feeling of security. Of course the emotional repression of fear, actually that is what fear is, death via the absence of any feeling, makes people very dangerous to others because there is a need to see people suffer. We do to others what was done to us.
 
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woolfe9998 said:
On the wider issue of whether Session's communications with the ambassador were illegal and/or inappropriate, I agree. We won't know until we've conducted a full independent investigation. But these calls for resignation are over his lying to Congress, a fact which seems pretty clear right now. I'm not going to opine whether he should resign or not. I'm just clarifying that this is why some people are calling for it, not because of things we do not yet know because we haven't had a full investigation yet. As for Bill Clinton, LOL. If some dems are hypocrites, then so be it. It doesn't matter as pertaining to the question of whether Sessions should step down over the lie. Previous sins of another another elected official have no bearing on one's current sins.
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Anyone is free to call for resignation, never said otherwise. Given that Trump would have to remove Sessions or he would of his own free will step down it seems pointless to expect any changes. That leaves investigations, but some have already "ascertained the facts" without proper finding. No they haven't. They express what they think likely and it is entirely possible, but not certain, that they are right.

I believe you are in the legal profession and please correct me if I'm wrong, but can you imagine if the standard for legal action were "I just know it" or "The news says"? Holy crap that's awful. Regarding things not mattering between two office holders? It matters when two people are being held to different standards. That is another dysfunctional attitude some embrace.

I'm not defending Sessions, but I am the integrity of due process, something very much lacking in the expressions of some. If others aren't quite so particular then that's their shame.
 
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He should resign. It's clear and indisputable that he lied under oath to Congress. Various outlets report this to not only be unethical but also a crime.

There is so much smoke around this Russia story. Almost certainly evidence of collusion will come out. Almost certainly.
 
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Any party that is not guilty would have *already* started independent investigations in the russiagate.

Anyone who doesn't understand that Sessions lied under oath, already, is blinded by their ideology.

George W Bush's ethic's lawyers "Misleading the Senate in sworn testimony about one own contacts with the Russians is a good way to go to jail"
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...to-george-w-bush-on-sessions-talks-with-russa

Of course, if the GOP stays in power, no one will go to jail for any of this...
 
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The response to this from the Trump supporters is freaking Hilarious.

"But... Hillary."
"But... They Lied"

It's absolutely a "don't look under the rug, look at what was already unearthed underneath the rug over there"
 
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My point is only that there's no accountability in politics either way. I disagree with most of Trumps appointments and Trumps ham handed narcissistic approach, but most of his spoken policys make sense. Thats why he got hired.
 
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fskimospy said:
Yeah that was tough when Lynch met with Bill Clinton and then lied under oath to Congress about it.

I am not surprised at all that you're desperately trying to divert though.
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My point was in regards to demands for recusal. And that said, I'm not surprised at all that you're once again dishonestly twisting my words and desperately trying to disparage me.
 
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