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Serviceman goes on shooting spree in Afghanistan.

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If he is found guilty (which, from what I have read, seems likely), they should execute him. If for no other reason than to try to undo some of the damage he has caused...to save the lives of some other servicemen he has now put in jeapordy.

I suspect the only way that would realistically happen is if he, like Timothy McVeigh or Gary Gilmore, voluntarily waives all his appeals. If not, it will take years and years. Appeals of all criminal convictions are automatic in the military, and all defendants convicted of crimes get free, competent appellate attorneys. The appellate lawyers' primary responsibility in that situation will be to keep him alive, and they'll be able to do so for a long time.
 
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If he is found guilty (which, from what I have read, seems likely), they should execute him. If for no other reason than to try to undo some of the damage he has caused...to save the lives of some other servicemen he has now put in jeapordy.

cue Sean Hannity in 3...2...1...
 
.. Sure I can. Afghanistan held elections more than once since we removed the Taliban from power. A large percentage of their population risked death to vote. I call that winning.

That seems a fairly arbitrary reason to state that we are winning all things considered.
 
The hostile country will be the same after we leave as it was before we arrived.

Our sacrifice in blood and coin accomplishes nothing. That is getting your ass kicked.

no, that doesn't show the US getting its ass kicked. that shows bad US policy and a fundamental flaw in afghan culture. they'd rather stick to the old ways of clan violence, illiteracy, and wiping their asses with rocks than join modern society. new infrastructure and knowledge handed to them on a silver platter, but they'd rather thumb their nose at it.

but you are right on one thing, when the US pulls out the country will devolve back into its loose affiliation of clans bent on chopping each others heads off and fundamentalist religion. maybe in 15-20 years China will be the next power to step in and try their hand.
 
Execute this piece of shit. Fucking children man, he does not deserve to live.

I thought I read somewhere that he had just been deployed to Afghanistan. Is this true?
 
Execute this piece of shit. Fucking children man, he does not deserve to live.

I thought I read somewhere that he had just been deployed to Afghanistan. Is this true?

I seriously wonder if he was a Dispensationalist Christian. Remember the controversy about the military supply company that engraved Christian verses into gun sights?
 
we are walking through a situational minefield, and we keep stepping on them.

All those saying "we have to GTFO" are right, but only partially. Pulling up and running away just makes Afghanistan a prime BOO again. Look at what happened with the damn Heroin trade.. 😛

The easiest solution for us would be to pack up and amscray, but that is just not the best SOLUTION. Unfortunately, none of those solutions that will work will be easy. Such is life.


As for this case, he was an ass and deserves to die, BUT he is an American and has rights. Trial and conviction are needed. We need to lead by example, not by angry mobs and cries for "justice".

That has never worked.
 
Like the rights the Afghans had. Massacres tend to be open-and-shut in terms of evidence.

Swift justice is preferable with this guy. Hopefully within a month he will be dead. He's a soldier and so is subject to swift military justice, not elongated civilian justice.

Has a name been leaked yet?
 
If he is found guilty (which, from what I have read, seems likely), they should execute him. If for no other reason than to try to undo some of the damage he has caused...to save the lives of some other servicemen he has now put in jeapordy.

this guy is an asshole. his wife and kids must be going through hell.

could you imagine that phone call. yes maam, you husband is a mass murderer you will never see him again.
 
Like the rights the Afghans had. Massacres tend to be open-and-shut in terms of evidence.

Swift justice is preferable with this guy. Hopefully within a month he will be dead. He's a soldier and so is subject to swift military justice, not elongated civilian justice.

Has a name been leaked yet?

He's an American citizen and will be subject to justice, not necessarily "swift" justice. The Uniform Code of Military Justice is, in my view, the most evolved and thoughtful system of justice in the world, and provides military members with a host of protections which are not normally afforded to civilians, including automatic appeals and the right to free, competent defense counsel. As Americans we should not be calling for this guy's immediate execution. In fact, as I wrote earlier in this thread, it's likely his execution will never occur, and if it does happen it will be years away.
 
He's an American citizen and will be subject to justice, not necessarily "swift" justice. The Uniform Code of Military Justice is, in my view, the most evolved and thoughtful system of justice in the world, and provides military members with a host of protections which are not normally afforded to civilians, including automatic appeals and the right to free, competent defense counsel. As Americans we should not be calling for this guy's immediate execution. In fact, as I wrote earlier in this thread, it's likely his execution will never occur, and if it does happen it will be years away.

This viewpoint is exactly why the world hates our military.

Execute this fcking POS.
 
He's an American citizen and will be subject to justice, not necessarily "swift" justice. The Uniform Code of Military Justice is, in my view, the most evolved and thoughtful system of justice in the world, and provides military members with a host of protections which are not normally afforded to civilians, including automatic appeals and the right to free, competent defense counsel. As Americans we should not be calling for this guy's immediate execution. In fact, as I wrote earlier in this thread, it's likely his execution will never occur, and if it does happen it will be years away.

Does not compute
 
"as americans we should not be calling for his execution"

why? because he is an american?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military

Executions during World War II and postwar

The United States Army carried out 141 executions over a three year period from 1942 to 1945, and a further six executions were conducted during the postwar period, for a known total of 147.
70 of these 141 wartime executions were carried out in the European Theatre, 27 in the Mediterranean Theatre, 21 in the Southwest Pacific Area, 19 in the continental United States, two in Hawaii, one in Guadacanal and one in India; of the six postwar executions, one took place in Hawaii, one in Japan, two in France and two in the Philippines. An execution was also carried out by the United States Air Force in Japan in 1950.
All executions carried out by the Army during 1942 to 1948 were performed under the authority of the Articles of War of June 4, 1920, an Act of Congress which governed military justice between 1920 and 1948.
With the exception of Eddie Slovik, who was shot for desertion, all of these soldiers were executed for murder and/or rape. It should be noted that several of the soldiers listed as convicted and executed for murder and/or rape had also been convicted on other charges, including those of a military nature such as desertion and mutiny and plus lesser crimes that would not have been considered capital unless combined with more serious offenses which carried the death penalty.
 
This viewpoint is exactly why the world hates our military.

Execute this fcking POS.

No, that is not why.

Having the military kill them to support right-wing dictators serving our corporations, killing their labor organizers and academics to keep cheap labor, that's more the reason.

Having our military exempt from their country's laws doesn't help, either.
 
Hopefully this will lead to an early American withdrawal from Afghanistan. It's time to get out of that shithole of a country.
 
Like the rights the Afghans had. Massacres tend to be open-and-shut in terms of evidence.

Swift justice is preferable with this guy. Hopefully within a month he will be dead. He's a soldier and so is subject to swift military justice, not elongated civilian justice.

Has a name been leaked yet?

What about what the Afghans did to the US soldiers w/ respect to the Koran burning
And the two officers shot down in their offices.

Where is the swift justice for them?
 
What about what the Afghans did to the US soldiers w/ respect to the Koran burning
And the two officers shot down in their offices.

Where is the swift justice for them?

1. burning a koran is not the equivalent of burning a bible. It is the equivalent of making an effigy of Jesus on the cross and then burning that. How many Christians would be outraged by such a sight?

2. the US military is supposed to be better.
 
The U.S. is not getting its ass kicked. The reason for the stalemate is the same as Vietnam because the military is not allowed to unleash the full force of its might due to politics. Turn the military loose to destroy everything that opposes it and victory is a 100% certainty.

You and I both know that will never happen because nobody in power wants to pay the political price of fighting total war.

What nonsense. The military stomps on the Taliban in Afghanistan whenever they can find them. The real reason we'll never win is that we're attempting the impossible task of dragging a backward-ass culture out of the dark ages and into the modern world. That's something we'll never succeed at. It's time for us to pull out and let the place burn.
 
I assure you there would not be riots in the streets or killings because of that in civilized countries.

If there were a muslim army in the USA, and lots of civilian casualties, and then reports of that army burning an effigy of Jesus on the cross? Yes, there would be riots.
 
If we had just kept our ass out of Iraq and devoted our world-approved attension on Afghanistan, we might have been able to do MUCH better in our attempts to clean up and modernize Heroin Central.

But, we didn't.

Afghanistan was the ONLY place we really had a "right" to be in after 9-11.

As for this guy, I am curious what snapped. You do not do 3 tours and then go kill a few dozen civilians on a whim. Something pushed him over the edge.

Do people want to start placing bets on "Love Triangle" or some other bizarre trigger?
 
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