I've only seen it on Dow Jones Newswires. I'll search and see if I can find it on a more accessible source.
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Senators say Bush team miscalculated on Iraq
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Read the piece XZeroII, don't try to dodge the subject. The Bush administration wildly underestimated the costs in Iraq and actually refused to give estimates!
Rumsfeld had the nerve to tell congressional committees he didn't want to give an estimate because it might be wrong!
Talk about double-speak!
When the Bush administration was REPEATEDLY WARNED the cost of a US led invasion of Iraq withoug UN and NATO aid would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars they repeatedly said the number was vastly inflated.
Now it is costing us hundreds of billions of dollars.
That is the point of the thread.
Also, ejecting an evil dictator wasn't an emergency. It didn't have to be accomplished immediately. We now know there was NO threat, NO WMD and NO terrorist connection.
We've all been duped. Some of us realize it. You can keep regurgitating he party line and living with your head in the sand. We have plenty of sand for you folks who need it now.
Listen moron. I'll post any damn thing I like. It's a free country (or was before Bush and Asscroft). And you post anything you like.
Just remember doctor
What a load of BS. But I'm not surprised coming from you galt.
No one seems to mind the Bush administration LIED to congress to get their votes.
And if you will all remember at the time anyone who opposed Bush on the invasion of Iraq was labeled a traitor and Saddam supporter by the Bush administration, the news media and several people right here on these forums who are now criticizing congress for voting for the Bush administration's proposal.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
I don't know about that. 4 years ago who would have thought someone like GWB could have been Elected President?Originally posted by: EXman
the calculation was not as simple as 2+2
do you think they would hit it on the nose? A perfect calculation!?
your just pissed the nine dwarfs don't have a prayer to unseat Bush 😛 you better start calling Hillary or Al they are your Only shots.
So what? You mean to say that Congress has always taken everything the President fed them at face value? I thought the whole idea of our system of government was "checks and balances"?The whole idea is to ask questions, verify information, etc. If anyone in Congress had any balls they would have done this. They didn't.
Originally posted by: EXman
the calculation was not as simple as 2+2
do you think they would hit it on the nose? A perfect calculation!?
your just pissed the nine dwarfs don't have a prayer to unseat Bush 😛 you better start calling Hillary or Al they are your Only shots.
I'm just pissed we're pissing money away in Iraq to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Nothing to do with 2004. Just the fact that we're paying hundreds of billions for an unnecessary invasion while the budget deficit reaches a new record level each day. Half a trillion dollars this year and $25 billion over that next year.
You are obviously so blinded by your partisanship you don't mind.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
So wag, you're saying that the lock step Congres with Republicans running both the House AND Senate,
were irresponsible in not listening to the few Democrats who had the audacity to not agree with the Bush Agenda,
even after he and his anministration had reffered to their 'Non-Support" as being Terrorist sympathisers,
and for all practical purposes Democratic al Qaeda Operatives, because they actually thought about America ?
were irresponsible in not listening to the few Democrats who had the audacity to not agree with the Bush Agenda,
even after he and his anministration had reffered to their 'Non-Support" as being Terrorist sympathisers,
and for all practical purposes Democratic al Qaeda Operatives, because they actually thought about America ?
EXman
Lifer
I'll have to agree on one thing though after we took Bagdad so quickly (despite what their Information Minister said 🙂 ) we should have then said Sure UN bring your lil troops on in here and let our boys go home (well most of them) That was a serious error and I did not support that and even said so in a few threads. The UN are a bunch of panseys and I'd love to see us leave them just to spite them for a list of many things but I think it would send the wrong signal.
bottom line get some UN security in there it doesn't need to be French/German/Russian they only only a few of many who can help.
bottom line get some UN security in there it doesn't need to be French/German/Russian they only only a few of many who can help.
Sheesh! I hope you're being sarcastic?
What I'm saying is that Congress itself is complicit, regardless of which party.
The British Parilaiment had access to the same intelligence Congress did, yet they were having heated public debates (I watched some on CSpan) right up to the day of the start of the war. Congress went on break.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
My reference was to a simple fact - the Bush Administration, with the lock step follow on
of the Administrations false presentations lit the fuse to a war that few wanted.
Those who wanted it, reguardless of the agenda, tried to subject those who did not
agree with them to a McCarty like display of if you'rer not with us - you're one of them.
Democrats in a lack of response went along with the Patriotic Majority, rather than
being politically crucified by the ones who had in fact fabricated the lies.
1) Afganistan was justified, as that was the focus of the counter attack.
2) Iraq was and is not justified, as the only ones who felt threatened were
those who were paranoid, both politically and emotionally.
I do not sit around and ring my hands and worry about the 'What-ifs' of the world.
When whatever does happen I hope the Government in place will take the correct and appropriate action.
I do not expect them to take political advantage of their own people for the advancement of their private agendas.
of the Administrations false presentations lit the fuse to a war that few wanted.
Those who wanted it, reguardless of the agenda, tried to subject those who did not
agree with them to a McCarty like display of if you'rer not with us - you're one of them.
Democrats in a lack of response went along with the Patriotic Majority, rather than
being politically crucified by the ones who had in fact fabricated the lies.
1) Afganistan was justified, as that was the focus of the counter attack.
2) Iraq was and is not justified, as the only ones who felt threatened were
those who were paranoid, both politically and emotionally.
I do not sit around and ring my hands and worry about the 'What-ifs' of the world.
When whatever does happen I hope the Government in place will take the correct and appropriate action.
I do not expect them to take political advantage of their own people for the advancement of their private agendas.
Zebo
Elite Member
ahh the intractable flag-waving loyalty of repunks, how nice. It it was'nt deviod of any substance it might be laudable. Then you adhom the messenger. I guess all thats left is to muddy the waters with a Clinton reference to make you a complete loudmouth incomprehensible asshole devoid of a substantive post. zKeep trying.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
As will I with all posts that contain "YABA" in them.😉
You are no better than anyone else here - especially when it comes to ignorant posts. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about Iraq, Bush, politics - YOURS aren't "better", "more informed", or "open minded" than anyone else's. To claim that YOUR opinions are such, is quite arrogant and ignorant - something you seem to claim "the other guy" does. Check yourself.
CkG
LunarRay
Diamond Member
Back in March or April 'Apoppin' started a thread asking what we thought would happen subsequent to the invasion. I opined that SH would use his WMD and all heck would break loose. I figured he had WMD because it was the reason to invade in the first place. Bushites also tried to link Al Qeada to Iraq but, at the time of the invasion it didn't seem to generate as much support. Congress received Intel regarding all of this however, not the actual raw work ups that resulted in the gussied up cover sheet accompanied by pictures and facts and figures. Congress was duped by reading what Bush and his buddies/handlers wanted to see to justify invasion. England was told 45 minutes was the time it would take for Iraqi WMD to be deployed. They were duped too. The folks who knew the facts or had rendered opinions contrary to the adopted theme were slow to gain recognition.
This invasion was not based on the exigent circumstances propounded to Congress in October of '02 for invasion authority. It was based on some other reason which is debatable but, not WMD.
This invasion was not based on the exigent circumstances propounded to Congress in October of '02 for invasion authority. It was based on some other reason which is debatable but, not WMD.
I never suggested I was any better than anyone else. Where would you get such an idea?
As for better informed or whatever so far the folks who have opposed Bush rather than defend him have been right about everything.
Unnecessary invasion based on false evidence.
No WMD.
No terrorist threat.
No nuclear material.
Bush's war will cost us hundreds of billions.
Bush's war will exacerbate the terrorist threat.
The US can't handle the job without the UN and NATO.
What have you and Bush been right about? "Bring it on?"
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Show me one argument that you had against the war - BEFORE it happened that has now been PROVEN wrong. The ones you list weren't arguments BEFORE the war😉
This should be interesting😛
CkG
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