Sen. Rand Paul detained by TSA

[slayernine]

Prove what point, he's above the law??

Making a point of how useless these laws are regarding national security. They do nothing to protect and everything to violate our rights.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Making a point of how useless these laws are regarding national security. They do nothing to protect and everything to violate our rights.

We shall see if his political stunt will make a difference, I seriously doubt that the TSA policies will change anytime soon.

 

[Wreckem]

since the senate is in session....

"the senators and representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the united states. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective houses, and in going to and returning
from the same; and for any speech or debate in either house, they shall not be questioned in any other place."

federal agency violates the constitution, is anyone surprised?

404 no arrest found.

Gullible motherfuckers you are. All it is, is a publicity stunt.

 

[fskimospy]

Since the Senate is in session....

"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning
from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

Federal agency violates the constitution, is anyone surprised?

Not only was he not detained, but what you quoted likely wouldn't matter even if he were. The incident took place in Tennessee. Unless he was traveling to DC on that flight, he is absolutely able to be arrested as he was not attending the session nor was he traveling to it.

 

[Wreckem]

Making a point of how useless these laws are regarding national security. They do nothing to protect and everything to violate our rights.

What rights are violated?

Nothing. Flying is not a right. Driving isn't a right either. To fly or drive one must do what the government requires of you. If you refuse, you cannot drive or fly.

 

[woolfe9999]

There is a basic conundrum in this democracy or any other when it comes to the trade off between safety and personal privacy. It's that if we get rid of the objectionable/invasive procedure, and a plane gets blown up afterward, people WILL blame whoever is currently in power for getting rid of the regulation. Hence, no sitting POTUS nor any significant group of legislators want to be the ones responsible for it, even if doing so is popular in the moment. Just because we currently complain about what the state does, doesn't mean we won't in the future complain about what they didn't do.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the pat downs. I'm just acknowledging an obvious political reality.

 

[Nintendesert]

I find it pretty fucking retarded that a US Senator needs to go through TSA screening to begin with.

 

[Lemon law]

Ok, lets look at all this Rand Paul accomplished.

Because Rand Paul would not play by existing laws, he not only slows up things for himself, he also slows down his fellow passengers.

But Rand Paul is US Senator and thus has a better venue, because he can introduce a bill advocating exactly those rule changes. But if Rand Paul can't convince at least 50 other Senators, he is going no where either.

So Rand glories at being the ahole who inconveniences everyone while getting nothing accomplished in the process.

 

[Wreckem]

I find it pretty fucking retarded that a US Senator needs to go through TSA screening to begin with.

The people who actually fly the planes do as well. I saw a pilot getting a full pat down after triggering the scanner.

 

[SilthDraeth]

I love how the TSA claims the person wasn't detained, and won't confirm Rand set off the alarm, but they will confirm that he was allowed to board a later flight?

 

[SilthDraeth]

Prove what point, he's above the law??

Idiot comment.

He specifically stated he doesn't want them to treat Senators different than anyone else. However anyone can refuse a pat down. Which he did, so TSA detained him.

So he is protesting the TSA's guidelines, he didn't try to go above the law.

 

[Wreckem]

Idiot comment.

He specifically stated he doesn't want them to treat Senators different than anyone else. However anyone can refuse a pat down. Which he did, so TSA detained him.

So he is protesting the TSA's guidelines, he didn't try to go above the law.

The guidelines are xray scanner or pat down.

He went through the xray scanner and failed to pass it, which if you refuse you dont get to fly.

If you fail an xray scanner or a traditional scanner YOU SHOULD be patted down. I don't see how that is controversial.

 

[Patranus]

Funny that Obama would side by the TSA.
He loves to rail on the 1% and then his smug ass flies AFO.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Seems to me like these Paul people want to strip civil liberties away from everyone but themselves.

 

[Patranus]

If you fail an xray scanner or a traditional scanner YOU SHOULD be patted down. I don't see how that is controversial.

Its amazing how we got by with just going through metal detectors and x-raying bags.
Hell, EVERYONE use to be able to go to the gate with minimal security lines. Now only passengers can go to the gates and there are MASSIVE lines.

 

[momeNt]

Seems to me like these Paul people want to strip civil liberties away from everyone but themselves.

duh?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Its amazing how we got by with just going through metal detectors and x-raying bags.
Hell, EVERYONE use to be able to go to the gate with minimal security lines. Now only passengers can go to the gates and there are MASSIVE lines.

Bullshit!!!! I went through the full body scanner last November at IAH (Houston Bush Intercontinental) and I made it through security faster than those going through the metal detectors. I made sure I removed all the ferrous metal items I had on me before I went through and it didn't go off.

 

[Exterous]

No one else would have been allowed to go back through the scanner so why should he?

Who said he demanded to be let through the scanner? For all we know the conversation went like this:
"You have to get a pat down."
"I dont want one. Can I go through the scanner again?"
"No."
"Well, I am not going to do a full body pat down. Are you sure I can't go through the scanner again?"
"Yes."
"Ok."

How is that above the law? How do you know he didn't just ask for clarification on the law/rules and then consented? Unless you have some additional information you are making guesses from very little information

Not only was he not detained, but what you quoted likely wouldn't matter even if he were. The incident took place in Tennessee. Unless he was traveling to DC on that flight, he is absolutely able to be arrested as he was not attending the session nor was he traveling to it.

Well, a definition of 'detained' is 'to prevent from going forward/proceeding' so it would seem to fit that pretty well

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Who said he demanded to be let through the scanner? For all we know the conversation went like this:
"You have to get a pat down."
"I dont want one. Can I go through the scanner again?"
"No."
"Well, I am not going to do a full body pat down. Are you sure I can't go through the scanner again?"
"Yes."
"Ok."

How is that above the law? How do you know he didn't just ask for clarification on the law/rules and then consented? Unless you have some additional information you are making guesses from very little information



Well, a definition of 'detained' is 'to prevent from going forward/proceeding' so it would seem to fit that pretty well

Where in my statement did I claim he demanded to go back through the scanner?

 

[Exterous]

Where in my statement did I claim he demanded to go back through the scanner?

I am just searching for some reason you are linking this him trying to make a point that he's above the law. You mentioned going through the scanner when no one else would have. The only way I could think to link asking to go through the scanner again to thinking you were above the law would be to demand to have an exception made for you.

 

[Exterous]

Bullshit!!!! I went through the full body scanner last November at IAH (Houston Bush Intercontinental) and I made it through security faster than those going through the metal detectors. I made sure I removed all the ferrous metal items I had on me before I went through and it didn't go off.

Great! When I went through the full body scanners at O'Hare I waited for over 45 minutes in line. Therefore, my anechdotal evidence cancels out yours :awe:

 

[Pens1566]

To quote the OP from other topics: "If he isn't hiding anything, he has no reason to be afraid"

 

[fskimospy]

Well, a definition of 'detained' is 'to prevent from going forward/proceeding' so it would seem to fit that pretty well

It really isn't, he just wasn't allowed into an area he wasn't authorized to be in due to his unwillingness to be cleared; he could have gone anywhere else he wanted. I mean do you think the bank is detaining you when they don't let you in the vault, or that the government is detaining the whole country by not letting them in Area 51?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I am just searching for some reason you are linking this him trying to make a point that he's above the law. You mentioned going through the scanner when no one else would have. The only way I could think to link asking to go through the scanner again to thinking you were above the law would be to demand to have an exception made for you.

I'm sure this is not the first time Rand Paul has flown on a commercial flight, he should have known that you can't go back through the scanner. I've been flying for 20+ years and am fully aware of that rule.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Great! When I went through the full body scanners at O'Hare I waited for over 45 minutes in line. Therefore, my anechdotal evidence cancels out yours :awe:

I've only noticed backups on heavy travel days such as before and after a holiday but not during normal travel days. This also includes going through security at O'Hare, Miami, and LAX.