Sen. Rand Paul detained by TSA

[Exterous]

Prove what point, he's above the law??

Eh? I didn't get that from the article. I didn't see any part in there about him demanding to be let on the plane anyway. He said he would go through the scanner again. They said no. He was escorted out of the airport. Thats all the story there currently is unless you would like to provide additional source information for this. For all we know it could have been a very civil discussion where he gladly agreed to comply with the rules about not being let on the plane. Of course he could also have said "I am the law!" and then tried to charge the plane but to say he thinks hes above the law at this point is a bit of a reach

 

[monovillage]

Yes, because clearly there is no difference between the situations. That must be what I'm saying.

It isn't the law, it's a rule that he couldn't go back through the scanner.

 

[soundforbjt]

Word on the street is his big brass balls set off the scanner.

I hope you're right. That means he can't reproduce, which is good for the country.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Eh? I didn't get that from the article. I didn't see any part in there about him demanding to be let on the plane anyway. He said he would go through the scanner again. They said no. He was escorted out of the airport. Thats all the story there currently is unless you would like to provide additional source information for this. For all we know it could have been a very civil discussion where he gladly agreed to comply with the rules about not being let on the plane. Of course he could also have said "I am the law!" and then tried to charge the plane but to say he thinks hes above the law at this point is a bit of a reach

No one else would have been allowed to go back through the scanner so why should he?

 

[cybrsage]

Since the Senate is in session....

"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning
from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

Federal agency violates the constitution, is anyone surprised?

He was not arrested, he was told he could not use air travel unless he followed the law passed by Congress and signed by the President.

He was free to drive to work.

 

[spidey07]

He was not arrested, he was told he could not use air travel unless he followed the law passed by Congress and signed by the President.

He was free to drive to work.

TSA prevented his travel, unconstitutional. What next? Know why that's in there? It's so Obama can't have the TSA or his goons detain members of the opposing party from doing the work of the people. Hell, even ABC is commenting on it being unconstitutional what the TSA did.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In the specific circumstance of Rand Paul, which is what we are talking about, he set off the image scanner. It detected an anomaly at his knee that required further investigation. A potential risk or threat was detected.

Would you have had them not examine a potential threat further? Would you have them make arbitrary decisions after a detection on which threats to examine further?

Do I think everyone should be examined with full body pat downs? No. Do I think someone in this circumstance should have been? Absolutely.

If you can't see the diffence between that and the civil rights movement I can't help you.

I have no problem with Paul being examined however it was not I who made the absolutist statement

Actually it's the law. And we don't get to pick and choose which laws apply to us as individuals.

I interpret that statement as "It's the law and we don't get to pick and choose which laws apply to us as individuals", but then you make exceptions that gives people the right to pick and choose the laws which apply to us as individuals.

It's not the fact that Paul was detained which is my concern but the concept that the law must be obeyed because it must. Granted that is the rule, but to live by algorithmic dictates isn't being free. If the law is broken then there are consequences, but the consequences are what brings about change when that which causes them are perceived as unjust. This requires discernment and proportional responses because if MLK and others did more than disobey but openly harmed others then that would have been another matter. I'd say that it is the moral imperative of the citizen to comply with the law however there are times when what is right must take precedence over what is legal.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

TSA prevented his travel, unconstitutional. What next? Know why that's in there? It's so Obama can't have the TSA or his goons detain members of the opposing party from doing the work of the people. Hell, even ABC is commenting on it being unconstitutional what the TSA did.

He could take a bus, get a limo/taxi, or drive .

 

[cybrsage]

TSA prevented his travel, unconstitutional. What next?

They did not prevent his travel. RAND PAUL prevente his own AIR travel over COMMON CARRIER PLANES. He could have paid for a private flight out of a private air strip. He could have driven. He could have taken a train. He could have taken a bus. He could have taken a boat.

RAND PAUL decided to not follow the law and rules. You really are reaching when you say the TSA forced him to not follow the law and rules.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I have no problem with Paul being examined however it was not I who made the absolutist statement

I interpret that statement as "It's the law and we don't get to pick and choose which laws apply to us as individuals", but then you make exceptions that gives people the right to pick and choose the laws which apply to us as individuals.

It's not the fact that Paul was detained which is my concern but the concept that the law must be obeyed because it must. Granted that is the rule, but to live by algorithmic dictates isn't being free. If the law is broken then there are consequences, but the consequences are what brings about change when that which causes them are perceived as unjust. This requires discernment and proportional responses because if MLK and others did more than disobey but openly harmed others then that would have been another matter. I'd say that it is the moral imperative of the citizen to comply with the law however there are times when what is right must take precedence over what is legal.

In this circumstance the law is right. Using the civil rights false analogy someone else used, how were blacks met when they acted against those laws? Harshly. Violently. However those were laws against a group for being that group. TSA rules are for all. Equal under the law.

My point was the result can not be surprising based on what the law is. Since I was speaking specifically to this case the actions of the TSA were completely appropriate. If they start applying it to any individual group I'd fully agreeing is wrong. I don't like it now but it is what it is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In this circumstance the law is right. Using the civil rights false analogy someone else used, how were blacks met when they acted against those laws? Harshly. Violently. However those were laws against a group for being that group. TSA rules are for all. Equal under the law.

My point was the result can not be surprising based on what the law is. Since I was speaking specifically to this case the actions of the TSA were completely appropriate. If they start applying it to any individual group I'd fully agreeing is wrong. I don't like it now but it is what it is.

I'm wasn't arguing against the law being right but the principle you went by which was absolute. If that's not the case after all then I remove my philosophical objection to your statement. I think Paul has the right to object and take another means of transportation, however I would say that he cannot have a personal exemption if that's what anyone was thinking.

 

[Thump553]

Nowhere near as bad a situation as back in the GWB era when Senator Ted Kennedy was put on the do not fly list.

Paul chose the outcome here by acting like a grandstanding dick.

 

[spidey07]

He could take a bus, get a limo/taxi, or drive .

Not if he was detained for anytime whatsoever. At that point they are in very clear violation of the constitution and guilty of federal crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if Rand was trying to make a point of it, knowing full well TSA procedure is to detain people that refuse a pat-down.

Senate is in session and he was to vote today. They are going to get smacked down pretty hard. Brilliant move by Sen. Paul really. Make them follow their own rules thereby clearly violating the constitution and federal law.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Not if he was detained for anytime whatsoever. At that point they are in very clear violation of the constitution and guilty of federal crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if Rand was trying to make a point of it, knowing full well TSA procedure is to detain people that refuse a pat-down.

Senate is in session and he was to vote today. They are going to get smacked down pretty hard. Brilliant move by Sen. Paul really. Make them follow their own rules thereby clearly violating the constitution and federal law.

Incorrect on both counts.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You have to obey the law because it's the law unless you don't obey because you think you are personally exempt. Or does the law only apply when you think the situation warrants?

More like the rules that the TSA follow does not discriminate against any race, gender, etc.

 

[Craig234]

dp

 

[Jaskalas]

Get the law changed or comply, it's not that difficult.

Our fascist police state does not alter laws in favor of the citizenry. The only viable option is to comply. Thank god for men who will not. This !@#$ has to be brought to an end.

 

[Craig234]

Since the Senate is in session....

"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning
from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

Federal agency violates the constitution, is anyone surprised?

He wasn't arrested. No constitutional issue.

 

[spidey07]

He wasn't arrested. No constitutional issue.

and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

TSA screwed up big time, notice how their side of the story keeps saying "oh no, no, we didn't detain him". They know they screwed up big time.

 

[cybrsage]

If he would have pulled out an uzi and started shooting people, they would have arrested AND detained him. It would have been the right thing to do.

 

[Craig234]

and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

TSA screwed up big time, notice how their side of the story keeps saying "oh no, no, we didn't detain him". They know they screwed up big time.

He wasn't questioned about 'any speech or debate in either house'. Make your next error.

 

[cybrsage]

When Craig and I are agreeing, those in opposition have to realize they are in the wrong.

 

[theeedude]

Not allowed to get on the plane is not same as arrested.
Otherwise people on the no fly lists have been under indefinite arrest without trial.

 

[monovillage]

Yes, because clearly there is no difference between the situations. That must be what I'm saying.

That's exactly what you're saying. 50 years ago you would have told Rosa Parks

"it's the law, it's the rules, if you don't like it, then don't ride the bus. You can walk or drive or get someone to drive you"

It wasn't someone named Bubba who told Ms. Parks to get in the back of the bus, it was someone just like you.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Hilarious to see members of this anti-civil liberties family get some of their own medicine.