yeah. Flake is a libertarian/conservative like Rand Paul in the House. He voted 92% of the time with Trump and all his judges and nominees. He complains about Trump but votes for all his proposal. All talk no action. Republicans put party before Country. Goodbye.
zinfamous
No Lifer
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Here comes good 'ol pardoned Joe Arpaio to run for his vacant seat, don'tcha know?
woolfe9998
Lifer
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What you're missing is that whenever a republican decides to retire, regardless of whether it's because he can't win (Flake, Corker) or he's going to die (McCain), they all the sudden start to say what they really think about Trump. How many retiring dems said things this harsh about Obama, or for that matter, republicans retiring under Bush, etc? Given such intense partisanship these days, what is it exactly that is causing so many republicans to speak this way of a republican POTUS? And lastly, if these retiring repubs think this way about Trump, how many who aren't retiring do you suppose think the same thing but are keeping their mouths shut?
woolfe9998
Lifer
- Apr 8, 2013
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Just saw his post speech interview with Jake Tapper. He basically says he is not running because he can't win unless he pretends to support Trump, and he can't do that in good conscience. He also says he won't fault his republican colleagues for not speaking out against Trump, meaning obviously that others are saying in private what he is saying in public.
While I appreciate his accurate comments about Trump, the courageous thing to do would be to run the campaign he wants to run, including criticism of Trump, win or lose. If these guys really feel so strongly about this, it is especially imperative that they run instead of backing out.
While I appreciate his accurate comments about Trump, the courageous thing to do would be to run the campaign he wants to run, including criticism of Trump, win or lose. If these guys really feel so strongly about this, it is especially imperative that they run instead of backing out.
Doc Savage Fan
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Last election here in Missouri I voted for Chris Koster (D) for governor. Please send your check to the RNC (instead of the NRA) as they need all the help they can get!
Muse
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That's getting a lot of play now. I saw news stories last night about billionaire Tom Steyer's campaign to get an impeachment juggernaut rolling and then a couple of minute long (?) TV ads, one was part of a commercial break in NBC TV news and one actually in a World Series commercial break. Steyer talking the whole time, the camera slowly moving in, kind of Hollywood.
The unspoken question was/is "what happens if he's successfully impeached," i.e. thrown out of office? AFAIK, that would place Pence in the White House. That, seems to me, is worse than tolerating Trump for the rest of his one term... as long as he doesn't win in 2020. This Pence guy worries me. Yeah, Trump is intolerable, but potentially we could be saddled with Pence all the way to 2028. That's like having a rotting whale in the hold of the ship of state.
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Muse
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I think most people are just hoping he lives until the midterms so that hopefully the Democrats can take the House and start conducting meaningful oversight. I genuinely believe if Democrats do take the House Trump won't finish his term because his administration will collapse under investigations into corruption.
fleshconsumed
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Exactly. I watched his speech, it was very moving.
Having said that, I hear Flake just voted to repeal arbitration rule so companies can keep putting mandatory arbitration clauses in the contracts. Just like all the other republicans he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. His issue is with appearances only, if Trump had outward appearance of class and was smart to keep his mouth shut when appropriate, Flake would have had zero problems with his divisive and anti American policies.
yllus
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Heartfelt speeches aside, keep in mind that all of these people very much do not care about you.
The Intercept - After Day Of Feuding, Jeff Flake And Bob Corker Join Trump To Upend A Major Consumer Protection
WITH NATIONAL ATTENTION focused Tuesday morning on a mushrooming feud between President Trump and Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., followed by a feud in the afternoon between Trump and Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., the Senate gift-wrapped the biggest present Congress has so far bestowed upon Wall Street in the Trump era.
With a razor-thin margin, the Senate passed a resolution to nullify a signature regulation from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which banned forced arbitration provisions. Such clauses, tucked into the fine print of contracts that nobody reads, deny consumers the ability to contest claims through a class-action lawsuit, and can allow banks and other financial institutions to rip off their customers with virtual impunity.
Both Sens. Corker and Flake, along with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., joined in the effort to give Trump a major win, even if it will hurt many of his own voters. Consumer advocates had hoped that moderate Republicans Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine would block the GOP effort. They did not.
Only GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Kennedy of Louisiana bucked their party — but a no vote when the measure passes is not much of a bucking. In a sign of how far the Democratic Party has come in recent years, all 48 members of the Senate caucus voted to keep the arbitration rule.
The vote was split 50-50, which required Vice President Mike Pence to break the tie.
The House passed its version of the resolution within just a couple weeks of CFPB finalizing the rule in July. But continuing reports of petty consumer fraud at Wells Fargo, and a data breach of over 140 million customer accounts at the credit reporting bureau Equifax, made it difficult for the Senate to proceed. Both Wells Fargo and Equifax have attempted to use arbitration clauses in their financial contracts to force victims out of class-action litigation.
The scandals put a human face on the practice of companies forcing customer disputes through a secret, non-judicial process. Days before the vote, Americans for Financial Reform addressed this directly in a video featuring a disabled woman and a veteran who were ripped off by Wells Fargo and then prevented from a day in court because of an arbitration clause:
WITH NATIONAL ATTENTION focused Tuesday morning on a mushrooming feud between President Trump and Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., followed by a feud in the afternoon between Trump and Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., the Senate gift-wrapped the biggest present Congress has so far bestowed upon Wall Street in the Trump era.
With a razor-thin margin, the Senate passed a resolution to nullify a signature regulation from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which banned forced arbitration provisions. Such clauses, tucked into the fine print of contracts that nobody reads, deny consumers the ability to contest claims through a class-action lawsuit, and can allow banks and other financial institutions to rip off their customers with virtual impunity.
Both Sens. Corker and Flake, along with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., joined in the effort to give Trump a major win, even if it will hurt many of his own voters. Consumer advocates had hoped that moderate Republicans Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine would block the GOP effort. They did not.
Only GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Kennedy of Louisiana bucked their party — but a no vote when the measure passes is not much of a bucking. In a sign of how far the Democratic Party has come in recent years, all 48 members of the Senate caucus voted to keep the arbitration rule.
The vote was split 50-50, which required Vice President Mike Pence to break the tie.
The House passed its version of the resolution within just a couple weeks of CFPB finalizing the rule in July. But continuing reports of petty consumer fraud at Wells Fargo, and a data breach of over 140 million customer accounts at the credit reporting bureau Equifax, made it difficult for the Senate to proceed. Both Wells Fargo and Equifax have attempted to use arbitration clauses in their financial contracts to force victims out of class-action litigation.
The scandals put a human face on the practice of companies forcing customer disputes through a secret, non-judicial process. Days before the vote, Americans for Financial Reform addressed this directly in a video featuring a disabled woman and a veteran who were ripped off by Wells Fargo and then prevented from a day in court because of an arbitration clause:
pauldun170
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Assuming the policies being pushed by Trump all originate from factions of the GOP and not from Trump, it would appear that Flake's issue is that Trump is a moron who embarrasses not only himself but the US as a whole.
Flake has issue with Trump and the precedent he has set.
Does he have courage?
No.
Courage is staying and raising your voice.
He is making a political calculation.
He should join Anandtech and be one of those people who says they hate Trump but then spends all day rehashing Hillary Clinton conspiracies. Maybe complain about California licenses or something.
Flake has issue with Trump and the precedent he has set.
Does he have courage?
No.
Courage is staying and raising your voice.
He is making a political calculation.
He should join Anandtech and be one of those people who says they hate Trump but then spends all day rehashing Hillary Clinton conspiracies. Maybe complain about California licenses or something.
His basic issue seems to be that Trump is amoral and mentally unstable, not so much a policy issue.
zinfamous
No Lifer
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Considering their ages, I wonder how many of them aren't actually circumcised? :hmm:
As it stands now, Bannon's cleansing of the Republican party is moving forward. That, ultimately, is what really matters. Flake and Corker are out because their party, their donors, and their voters no longer believe they're "conservative pure" enough even though they are. Or maybe, as Sen. Flake said, maybe they're just not "angry" enough, not vicious enough. There is no place for personal principle and political independence in the Republican party. If they don't support the radical nationalism and complete party purity that is spreading throughout the party, then they're out.
Republican politicians are going to hunker down like hostage victims, hoping that they will avoid the attention of Bannon, while at the same time hoping, praying that the money troughs will continue to flow for a little while longer. The whole point is to keep that cash rolling in. That's the whole, entire point for most of them. Public service is for suckers and those "other guys". They are in it for the money, and if they have to fellate a white supremacist to get it, then down on their knees they will go.
The Trump base have no idea that this speech even happened. It is not being reported by any media they consume. Nor will it be.
All they know is that Hillary made the Russians do stuff, the FBI is in on the conspiracy, and Trump is always right.
Republican politicians are going to hunker down like hostage victims, hoping that they will avoid the attention of Bannon, while at the same time hoping, praying that the money troughs will continue to flow for a little while longer. The whole point is to keep that cash rolling in. That's the whole, entire point for most of them. Public service is for suckers and those "other guys". They are in it for the money, and if they have to fellate a white supremacist to get it, then down on their knees they will go.
The Trump base have no idea that this speech even happened. It is not being reported by any media they consume. Nor will it be.
All they know is that Hillary made the Russians do stuff, the FBI is in on the conspiracy, and Trump is always right.
Jeff Flake voted against the diaster relief bill But if a wild fire happens in AZ, he is first in line to ask for federal help and FEMA money. standard GOP .
Fern
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Explanation is easy: Trump ain't a Repub and they are all establishment types.
Fern
Fern
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woolfe9998
Lifer
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Or perhaps maybe there are a few things wrong with Trump besides the fact that he isn't an establishment republican. Flake's speech is quite specific about it, and it all makes sense to me. YMMV of course.
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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Flakes speech was devoid of policy criticisms and his own voting record shows he supports trump 90+% percent of the time.
He is a loser who is trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.
Him and other Republicans who are calling out the president are not heroes, they are the same scumbags who vote to gut your ability to sue banks and who support agency heads who are actively trying to destroy the very agency they head.
JEDI
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Just saw his speech on the Senate floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjZuWSFatUg&feature=share
powerful.
he was a 1st term senator but was 7 terms in the House.
wonder whats he going to do now?
powerful.
he was a 1st term senator but was 7 terms in the House.
wonder whats he going to do now?
ivwshane
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