[Semiaccurate] GK104/Kepler/GTX680 Next Week?

[Crap Daddy]

Here is what happened: this is nvidias 680 which in turn is half of nvidias 780 which nvidia hope to release later this year, around december.

Im gambling on this being 5% faster/slower than the 7970 with both being stock. The 7970 will walk all over this when overclocked.

What makes you think the 680 will not overclock as well?

 

[tviceman]

One person....bet everyone here that NVDA's high end card would be released within 2 months of HD7970...ie Mar 9th.
So here we are...and no Kepler.:whiste:

FAIL

That's okay. Nvidia's mid-range Kepler die is poised to end up beating AMD's high end GCN die in just about every metric, including overall performance, performance per watt, and performance per mm^2. So, we're talking a 10 week difference in release times vs. a 50+ week time frame of Nvidia winning in just about every metric.

 

[Keysplayr]

Here is what I think happened: this is nvidias 680 which in turn is half of nvidias 780 which nvidia hope to release later this year, around december.

Im gambling on this being 5% faster/slower than the 7970 with both being stock. The 7970 will walk all over this when overclocked.

Fixed for you ^ in bold.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That's okay. Nvidia's mid-range Kepler die is poised to end up beating AMD's high end GCN die in just about every metric, including overall performance, performance per watt, and performance per mm^2. So, we're talking a 10 week difference in release times vs. a 50+ week time frame of Nvidia winning in just about every metric.

 

[Edrick]

That's okay. Nvidia's mid-range Kepler die is poised to end up beating AMD's high end GCN die in just about every metric, including overall performance, performance per watt, and performance per mm^2. So, we're talking a 10 week difference in release times vs. a 50+ week time frame of Nvidia winning in just about every metric.

So a GTX680, priced at over $500 is now considered mid-range? So that would make cards priced at $300 low end budegt?

 

[tviceman]

So a GTX680, priced at over $500 is now considered mid-range? So that would make cards priced at $300 low end budegt?

There is no price yet. GK104 is Kepler's "medium" die. There is a much bigger die coming, and also two smaller ones. So in the pecking order, it is / will be in the exact same spot GF104/GF114 were. But thanks for pointing out something I forgot in my reply to Will Robinson. Even if it's as high as $500 (which would suck and I would not pay for one at that price), Nvidia will also have the best performance per dollar too.

 

[DeeJayeS]

That's okay. Nvidia's mid-range Kepler die is poised to end up beating AMD's high end GCN die in just about every metric, including overall performance, performance per watt, and performance per mm^2. So, we're talking a 10 week difference in release times vs. a 50+ week time frame of Nvidia winning in just about every metric.

Every metric except the one that trumps all the other metrics: performance/$$.

 

[blackened23]

So a GTX680, priced at over $500 is now considered mid-range? So that would make cards priced at $300 low end budegt?

The argument is flawed because GK110 doesn't exist. I think its pretty obvious that you can't use an unreleased part that isn't in ES status as a sudden "high end", why stop there? Lets include maxwell and sea islands in the mix.

The performance metric doesn't include vaporware, sorry.

Also: Did real gaming benchmarks hit the web anywhere? Did AT do a review of GK104? I must have missed it since a winner has been declared already

 

[Keysplayr]

Every metric except the one that trumps all the other metrics: performance/$$.

This is awesome.

 

[Awkward]

Why do you do this to yourself? Just be patient next time and buy the flagship nvidia card. I remember you struggling last go round about wanting a 580 while you had a slower 6950. Now it's looking like the same situation will play out.

lol...

You're basically the same thing as an Apple zealot. You'd probably buy Nvidia even if it were noticeably worse in every regard.

Also, this:

Also: Did real gaming benchmarks hit the web anywhere? Did AT do a review of GK104? I must have missed it since a winner has been declared already

It's nice being neutral though, as I don't really care either way since I have no affinity to a graphics card division. Nvidia fanboys just seem to blow the most hot air and make the most irritating posts. It's hard to believe most of these people are grown men.

 

[skipsneeky2]

crysis and metro 2033

The original Crysis to me is no longer a game,its a 5 year old benchmark.

8800gts 512mb=11fps very high 1080p circa 2007
gtx280=22fps very high 1080p circa 2008
7970=60fps+ very high 1080p circa 2012

Average numbers using the Crysis demo,i could run the loop benchmark for ya and report back,i remember people going overboard with tri sli 8800 ultras and gtx280s just to play this one single game at 1080p and i know that drove me away from purchasing it cause it was just a huge e-peen benchmark.

Edit:Looped benchmark is a pos compared to actual gameplay but here goes...38 min 54 average 66 max...rest my case,its nothing but a benchmark LOL

 

[Stuka87]

That's okay. Nvidia's mid-range Kepler die is poised to end up beating AMD's high end GCN die in just about every metric, including overall performance, performance per watt, and performance per mm^2. So, we're talking a 10 week difference in release times vs. a 50+ week time frame of Nvidia winning in just about every metric.

If nVidia is calling it a 680, its not mid range. The GK110 does not exist yet, and if it ever does exist in the future, it will now become a 7 series part.

 

[SolMiester]

I find it hard to believe NV will bring out a new card called 680 which only matches the 7970 after all the hype of performance around the web..., unless perhaps they price much lower than the 7970 to bust the AMD bubble. That could make sense and later bring out their 780 GK110....
This power supply buzz of a 200 PSU really puts a spanner in the works though!

 

[Gloomy]

No, that wouldn't make sense. Why would Nvidia, who has stronger brand recognition than AMD, release an equivalent product and price it less?

 

[Absolute0]

I haven't been following the mountains of rumors for the last few months but I think it's VERY unlikely that nVidia would do a GPU release now where they don't put out something that takes the performance crown. Anything less is admitting defeat, as they would be forced to pull an AMD and try to compete with their price factor.

 

[tviceman]

If nVidia is calling it a 680, its not mid range. The GK110 does not exist yet, and if it ever does exist in the future, it will now become a 7 series part.

I've accepted this fact, but at the same time I know that it's a mid-range die size when compared to anything Nvidia has released since the 8800GTX and that it won't be the biggest die Nvidia brings to market based on the Kepler architecture.

 

[SolMiester]

No, that wouldn't make sense. Why would Nvidia, who has stronger brand recognition than AMD, release an equivalent product and price it less?

To shut down AMDs resurgence?

 

[tviceman]

No, that wouldn't make sense. Why would Nvidia, who has stronger brand recognition than AMD, release an equivalent product and price it less?

Because they have demonstrated more price elasticity (with respect to die sizes) in the past? Nvidia is projecting lower gross margins for this quarter. That wouldn't make sense if they're selling a smaller-than-GF114 part for twice as much as GF114, unless there is a huge, huge inventory of GF110's that they need to knock at least $100 off to get rid of.

 

[tviceman]

Also: Did real gaming benchmarks hit the web anywhere? Did AT do a review of GK104? I must have missed it since a winner has been declared already

When an editor who has preferred AMD based GPU's (for personal use) over the last few generations starts dropping statements like this http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038477983&postcount=143 (which heavily implies GK104 is more efficient) and this http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038472599&postcount=89 (which heavily implies that GK104 is faster) then it's really only a matter of by how much. Coupled with the Asian forum guy PHK, who has notoriety for getting hardware early and releasing accurate benchmarks (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1678809), there is no need to play coy to what every single indication is now pointing towards.

 

[MrK6]

When a pro-AMD editor starts dropping statements like this http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038477983&postcount=143 (which heavily implies GK104 is more efficient) and this http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038472599&postcount=89 (which heavily implies that GK104 is faster) then it's really only a matter of by how much. Coupled with the Asian forum guy PHK, who has notoriety for getting hardware early and releasing accurate benchmarks (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1678809), there is no need to play coy to what every single indication is now pointing towards.

Kyle's just about the most neutral editor out there, far more than most other websites. I wonder how some people dream up these things.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I am citing a reviewer who was in San Francisco to be briefed by NV:

"I am just advising everyone not to listen to rumors at this point since this is actually the first launch I have seen where MAYBE 5% of the rumors from sites (Fud, Expreview, VR Zone, SA, OBR, etc.) have been even remotely close to the truth."

 

[tviceman]

Kyle's just about the most neutral editor out there, far more than most other websites. I wonder how some people dream up these things.

I didn't mean to imply he was biased. I changed the wording of my post to reflect that.

 

[Quantos]

I am citing a reviewer who was in San Francisco to be briefed by NV:

"I am just advising everyone not to listen to rumors at this point since this is actually the first launch I have seen where MAYBE 5% of the rumors from sites (Fud, Expreview, VR Zone, SA, OBR, etc.) have been even remotely close to the truth."

That just confirms that arguing is very moot at this point. Nvidia have done a great job of hiding their work this time around, we can give them that for sure.

 

[Grooveriding]

Kyle's just about the most neutral editor out there, far more than most other websites. I wonder how some people dream up these things.

No he's pro-AMD man, until he says positive things about nvidia, then he's neutral. It's a free-flowing goal post subject to deviation based on what brand he is speaking positively about.

7970 CF drivers need work = inform the masses, excellent article.

7970 overclocked is amazingly 50-80% faster than a GTX 580 = Kyles an AMD shill, worthless review methodology.

So when is the $300 GTX 680 releasing anyways ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Monday should be fun. I think these releases are just as fun as actually using the hardware.