Self Destructing DVDS!!

[Amused]

Something more I just thought of...

To cure the problem of people getting bad rental discs, the DVD makers had two choices. Change the format so discs were in a permanent cartridge. (making all existing DVD players obsolete) Or make disposible DVDs so they wouldn't have to be reused after idiot renters used them as Frisbies, dog chew toys, shoe soles, or cheese cutters.

 

[Vic]

Amused, I agree with you for the most part. However, what you are running up against is the way that DVDs were marketed from the beginning.
"Own it FOREVER on DVD!"
But DVDs are not forever. Not even close. And now the movie industry is trying to sell a temporary DVD... oops! Insult to injury.

 

[Tot]

I think it may be possible to hack the disc.

Just put it in BEER and it will instantly get preserved and will not break down... Whooppieee.


BEER

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic
Amused, I agree with you for the most part. However, what you are running up against is the way that DVDs were marketed from the beginning.
"Own it FOREVER on DVD!"
But DVDs are not forever. Not even close. And now the movie industry is trying to sell a temporary DVD... oops! Insult to injury.

Nothing is forever. Name a format that wont break down over time.

Meanwhile, if a DVD lasts as long as the format lasts, it's lasted me forever. And most of them will (barring some manufacturing errors that have led to rot in a small minority of discs).

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: fonzinator
Since they are plastic, why wouldn't we be able to put them in the recycling bin with other recycleables?

They'd need a separate bin, or something at the rental places. But I still think that most of them would wind up in the trash. Hell, there's trash cans all over the place it seems, yet people still will drop trash wherever they are, rather than walk ALL the way over to the trash can that's a few feet away.

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
Amused, I agree with you for the most part. However, what you are running up against is the way that DVDs were marketed from the beginning.
"Own it FOREVER on DVD!"
But DVDs are not forever. Not even close. And now the movie industry is trying to sell a temporary DVD... oops! Insult to injury.

Nothing is forever. Name a format that wont break down over time.

Meanwhile, if a DVD lasts as long as the format lasts, it's lasted me forever. And most of them will (barring some manufacturing errors that have led to rot in a small minority of discs).

Diamond DVD's? Not forever either, but a long time. Maybe they could encode video data into the fabric of spacetime. It would probably last forever, assuming an ever-expanding universe. But the seek times would get really horrible once the data got spread out over a few light years.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marauder-

Originally posted by: KingNothing

Originally posted by: Marauder-
Eh - I dont really understand how this will really be appealing to DVD copiers unless they are pricing them a few bux cheaper - people that DVDXCopy Rentals would only be saving a buck or two.

/shrug that line seems to work for 10-10-220.

I thought that was 1-800-C-O-L-L-E-C-T ?

same company, its all MCI

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
Amused, I agree with you for the most part. However, what you are running up against is the way that DVDs were marketed from the beginning.
"Own it FOREVER on DVD!"
But DVDs are not forever. Not even close. And now the movie industry is trying to sell a temporary DVD... oops! Insult to injury.

Nothing is forever. Name a format that wont break down over time.

Meanwhile, if a DVD lasts as long as the format lasts, it's lasted me forever. And most of them will (barring some manufacturing errors that have led to rot in a small minority of discs).

I don't disagree. My point is that the movie industry told people that their DVDs would last "forever," and now they want to sell a temporary DVD. It's just not something that is going to sell well, even if it is a good product.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
Amused, I agree with you for the most part. However, what you are running up against is the way that DVDs were marketed from the beginning.
"Own it FOREVER on DVD!"
But DVDs are not forever. Not even close. And now the movie industry is trying to sell a temporary DVD... oops! Insult to injury.

Nothing is forever. Name a format that wont break down over time.

Meanwhile, if a DVD lasts as long as the format lasts, it's lasted me forever. And most of them will (barring some manufacturing errors that have led to rot in a small minority of discs).

I don't disagree. My point is that the movie industry told people that their DVDs would last "forever," and now they want to sell a temporary DVD. It's just not something that is going to sell well, even if it is a good product.

Well, for the vast majority of RENTERS, I don't think "forever" is something they were worrying about. And, after all, this is what these DVDs are aimed at: The rental market.

The question is not whether or not they will sell well, it's whether or not the rental companies find them profitable. And to be honest, I just may start renting again if this technology becomes the standard. The aggravation of watching a rental half way or so, then losing a chapter or two and not being able to finish a movie just became TOO much for me to handle, so I started building my collection. Now I just buy a DVD if I want to see it. If I don't feel like keeping it, I give it to a friend.

 

[McCarthy]

Now I don't feel so left out with rentals being damaged. When DVD first came along I said "no way, it'll never work for rentals" then I rented a couple and said "ok, it works, bring on the crow". Well, it was like that, at first. When people were careful with DVDs like people used to be careful with CDs. Now a DVD is scratched to hell after 1 or 2 rentals and even though you can look at them as you check out at the video store, you just never know what little scratch is going to ruin the night.

So yeah, I've quit renting as well. Only time I'll rent is a new release if I can find a pristine disc. Otherwise it's too much trouble. Actually I have rented VHS again since I've run into damaged rental discs.

I was thinking about this a bit today. More I thought about it, the less the environmental side stuck out. AOL CDs, there's the obvious comparison. They are junkmail. It's trash. America Online is mailing you trash. Of course it's wasteful.

Disposable DVD you're getting use from. So it's not absolute trash to start with. That really is something to consider, usefulness/waste ratio. Plastic bags - they make up for a lot more landfill space than disposable DVD ever will (even if everyone rented and tossed a DVD every night BlockBuster would still put it in a plastic bag so it'd never catch up). Similar use/waste ratio since most people toss them soon as they get home....but even among my friends who are very ecofriendly few take their own canvas bag to the grocery store. They recycle the paper or plastic they get. It's not perfect, but it works.

Personally I try to save mine and give them to Goodwill. The store here uses used bags.

But back to the point, yeah there's more landfill space taken up in the end. At the end of movie night a plastic bag, two plastic pop bottles, a plastic Doritos bag, a cardboard popcorn bucket, a pizza box and a DVD disc will go in the trash. Or get recycled. Still goes back to the end user whether it goes in the trash or the recycle bin, and by percentage it's a tiny effect either way.

Now talk Disney into putting a 5 second "Please Recycle" message at the beginning with the FBI warning and it can end up being a net benefit. All about approach and application.

 

[mchammer187]

isnt this something like divx used to be?

not the codec there used to be divx discs you can rent IIRC

edit :nm read posts above

 

[Howard]

Does somebody have a link that that technology that enables anything organic to be broken down into its original hydrocarbons and stuff?

 

[Analog]

if oxygen is the culprit, then why not just put the thing in a ziplock bag and force the air out? Or better yet, buy a helium filled balloon and purge the ziplock before sealing. The Helium should take care of it!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
if oxygen is the culprit, then why not just put the thing in a ziplock bag and force the air out? Or better yet, buy a helium filled balloon and purge the ziplock before sealing. The Helium should take care of it!

I'm guessing here, but once oxygen hits the surface, the reaction starts and cannot be stopped, even if it is put back into a vacuum.

 

[EDiT]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
if oxygen is the culprit, then why not just put the thing in a ziplock bag and force the air out? Or better yet, buy a helium filled balloon and purge the ziplock before sealing. The Helium should take care of it!

I'm guessing here, but once oxygen hits the surface, the reaction starts and cannot be stopped, even if it is put back into a vacuum.

That's ok. I've suspected for a while that many people on AT live in a vacuum!

 

[LuNoTiCK]

I think it sounds like a good idea if they can do some good things for it. Maybe Disney should offer a discount if you return the old discs. It seems like it would cost a lot for them to do this. They should also make the discs last longer than 48 hours.

 

[Sukhoi]

Reactions can always be run backwards with enough energy...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EDiT

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
if oxygen is the culprit, then why not just put the thing in a ziplock bag and force the air out? Or better yet, buy a helium filled balloon and purge the ziplock before sealing. The Helium should take care of it!

I'm guessing here, but once oxygen hits the surface, the reaction starts and cannot be stopped, even if it is put back into a vacuum.

That's ok. I've suspected for a while that many people on AT live in a vacuum!

I used to. But the bag got too full and I had to leave.